No Frankie, the problem lies with trying to defend what I believe with someone who doesn't believe. Why should I go into Pastor Russell and the Divine Plan, if you don't even believe in the Bible, it's fruitless. We would have to go to the basics, to the word of God, proving it is. Now if you've decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater because of your bad experience with the Society, that's not my problem.
Paster Russells defends self against accusations of his wife 7/15/06 WT
by frankiespeakin 19 Replies latest watchtower scandals
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frankiespeakin
RR,
No Frankie, the problem lies with trying to defend what I believe with someone who doesn't believe. Why should I go into Pastor Russell and the Divine Plan, if you don't even believe in the Bible, it's fruitless.
Yes it would be fruitless for "you",, but not for me,, or the readers of this thread who have an open mind. If we can clearly establish Russells impure motivations,, the whole foundation for the WT's claim to be God's channel crumbles,, if we show him to be delusional we help others to be more critical and thus avoid the path you have choosen,, namely following a delusional man which is what most Mind control cult do.
We would have to go to the basics, to the word of God, proving it is. Now if you've decided to throw the baby out with the bathwater because of your bad experience with the Society, that's not my problem.
Yes it is not your problem but feel free to post on this thread,, for while you may get nowhere in your defense of Russell you are at least offering a defense that is easily demolished and that serves a good purpose to free other from this cult. -
frankiespeakin
I would like to invite anyone to take some clips from the above articles and post what you think it reveals about C T Russell's personality.
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RR
Yes it would be fruitless for "you",, but not for me,, or the readers of this thread who have an open mind.
I'm not going to debate with a bunch heathens, who have no life.o you keep on posting!
RR
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ESTEE
I conclude that I am adapted to no one, and that no one is adapted to me--except the Lord! I am so thankful that He and I understand each other and have confidence in each other.
Excuse me, sir! The Lord has adapted to Mr. Russell ...???
What a pompous pri*K!!!
'scuse my french ...
ESTEE
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frankiespeakin
Estee,
Yes,pompus to the extreme. Russell claims God never spoke to him personally, and that he was never inspired,, and yet he makes statements that indicate God is speaking to him or else how would he know:
I conclude that I am adapted to no one, and that no one is adapted to me--except the Lord! I am so thankful that He and I understand each other and have confidence in each other.
Russell continually makes statements about his relationship with God and Jesus that have no basis in reality and reflect a delusions of exaltation from God. -
frankiespeakin
One thing I find unusual is the way Russell in his writting refers to himself many times not in the "first person":
When the next day the husband took the witness stand and swore that he had never used the language (and never had heard of it before) all reasonable people concluded that only an idiotic person would make such an uncomplimentary remark about himself. They concluded, too, that even an ordinary woman, seeking a charge against her husband for thirteen years, could imagine wonders and create the living and real in her own mind. This is the most charitable view possible of such an oath.
All through his defense as he is referring to the court proceedings he does this. I think this may be because it give the appearence of unbiased court reporting.
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frankiespeakin
I find this statement of CTR incorrect:
Those possessing back numbers of the WATCH TOWER upon examination will find that Mrs. Russell's name as Associate Editor first disappeared from the 2nd page of the TOWER in the issue of Nov. 1st, 1896. Fearing that this might be understood as some indignity to my wife I referred to the matter in the Dec. 15th issue, page 301, the "Tract Society's Annual Report," in these words: "The withdrawal of our 'associate editor' has been noted by some, so we explain now to all that this was granted at her own urgent request. She prefers to appear as a correspondent over her own signature, MRS. M. F. RUSSEL
1892:
TOWER PUBLISHING COMPANY, "BIBLE HOUSE" ARCH STREET, ALLEGHENY, PA., U.S.A.
C. T. RUSSELL, EDITOR.1893:
TOWER PUBLISHING COMPANY, "BIBLE HOUSE" ARCH STREET, ALLEGHENY, PA., U.S.A.
C. T. RUSSELL, EDITOR; MRS. C. T. RUSSELL, ASSOCIATE.1894:
TOWER PUBLISHING COMPANY, "BIBLE HOUSE" ARCH STREET, ALLEGHENY, PA., U.S.A.
C. T. RUSSELL, EDITOR; MRS. C. T. RUSSELL, ASSOCIATE.1895: no mention of editor or associate
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"He Giveth Quietness".............................259
Questions of General Interest.....................260
God's Blessing Upon Solomon.......................261
Rewards of Obedience..............................262
Encouraging Letters...............................264
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The growth of the TOWER list is one of the best evidences of the progress of Present Truth for which it stands as a defender and servant. Our friends will be glad to know that notwithstanding the money pressure of the past year the TOWER lists show an increase of the interest--although of course some "fall away" as we are forewarned to expect.
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frankiespeakin
8/1/1895 Zion WT:
SISTER RUSSELL'S LETTER. Sister Russell is generally busy in the TOWER office; but just now she is making a little tour among the Lord's people in New Jersey, New York, Massachusetts, etc. Sister Russell's meetings are usually "parlor talks." Her present mission is to see and cheer the Lord's flock and to bring us word of their spiritual welfare. She writes:--
Springfield, Mass., July 25, '95.
MY DEAR HUSBAND:--I arrived a few hours ago from Troy, on the 1.12 train and am safely and pleasantly sheltered with Sister Clark who gives me a cordial greeting, and I am resting a little and trying to feel ready in mind and body for the evening meeting.
We had a good time in Troy, also in Saugerties and Yonkers, as well as in New York City and Brooklyn. Indeed, I have most cheering news from all with whom I have met thus far, and they all have messages of love and encouragement for you. The spirit of God is wonderfully manifest among his people.
I have not had a chance to write you since I left New York, my stay in each place being so short that what little time I had with the friends was wholly occupied; and it has been midnight and after, almost every night before we retired. I am somewhat weary to-day, but tomorrow will not be so hurried.
It was a great pleasure to receive your letter on my arrival here, and to know that you are so thoughtful of me and that I have your prayers constantly. I feel that I am constantly dependent upon divine grace, for I have no strength of my own. In so many ways I have realized the Lord's special helpfulness supplying my deficiency out of his abundant fulness that many times I am even surprised at it. I am trying to fulfill my mission as thoroughly as possible, but I must leave particulars until I return. I expect to hear from you next at Boston.
Kindly remember me to all the family and inquiring friends. I think of you always, dear, and am anxiously anticipating the return home. Your loving wife, MARIA F. RUSSELL.
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minimus
I liked what Farkel said regarding the other succeeding presidents. Interestingly, RR ignored that one too.