Court cases revive childbirth rights debate. I saw this article and it got me to thinking.. which can be dangerous at times. But, this is a situation that would affect women and families terribly. What bothered me, about this story, is that the doctor went ahead and prompted the lawyer to go after this court order. The woman was not mentally incapable, she was rational and knew from prior experience what she wanted in child birth. When does it become the decision of the doctor or Judge ? And what would you do in this situation. The reason I ask, is my sister was extremely put upon during her time of birth for an cesarean proceedure. She got so much pressure, that she nearly walked out of the hospital. Only after she threatened to leave did they relent. I know having a birth plan helps, but you are basically at the mercy of the care giver. IT is scary to think they could do something to you when you are vunerable. Now to the Story: Let me know what you think. X. PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- Amber Marlowe was a seasoned pro at delivering big babies -- her first six each weighed close to 12 pounds. So when she went into labor with her seventh last winter, she brushed off doctors who told her the 11-pound, 9-ounce girl could be delivered only by Caesarean section.But the medical staff at Wilkes-Barre General Hospital wouldn't budge, not even with her track record. "All my others, I've done naturally," Marlowe recalled telling her physicians. "I know I can do it."So Marlowe checked herself out and went looking for a new doctor.While she was on her search, Wilkes-Barre General's lawyers rushed to court to get legal guardianship of her unborn child, giving the hospital the ability to force Marlowe into surgery, if she returned.The case is one of several in recent months that have revived a debate about whether mothers have an absolute right to choose when, where and how they give birth -- even if the health of their baby is at stake.A spokesman for the American Hospital Association wasn't immediately sure whether the organization has ever taken a position on the issue.Some groups representing doctors, including the American College of Obstetrics and Gynecology, have said that physicians should refrain from doing procedures unwanted by pregnant woman, and that use of the courts to resolve conflicts is almost never warranted.Marlowe ended up at another hospital, where she had a quick, natural birth she described as "a piece of cake." She didn't know about the first hospital's action until her husband was told by a reporter."They don't know me from anything, and they're making decisions about my body?" she said. "It was terrifying."Officials with Wilkes-Barre General did not return calls seeking comment.
Medical Ethics and Child Birth Rights Debate
She got so much pressure, that she nearly walked out of the hospital. Only after she threatened to leave did they relent.Your sister is very brave. I have never heard of that, but I am tucking that one away. My daughter is due late July, early August.exjdub
Cicatrix >When I had my first child, the staff tried to pressure me into signing papers for a cesarian. The birth was going well, baby was moving and responsive between contractions, and my contractions were strong, but the doctor and nurse were not happy with my progress (although twelve hours of labor for a first child is actually very good progress)and were concerned about the baby's heart rate (it decelerated during contractions but went back up in between them-this is normal. The nurse literally stood by my bedside with the form and yelled at me to sign it while I was having a contraction. I refused, as I could feel that things were progressing just fine. My daughter was born healthy and gorgeous less than two hours after I refused to sign the paperwork, but I was labeled a "problem patient" and treated pretty badly for the rest of my hospital stay (I get the feeling that being a couple weeks shy of eighteen didn't help me much).
Later, the doctor told me that when she had given birth two months before, she had a very rough time with it, and she was trying to "save" me from what she went through!She evidently didn't believe me when I told her I was doing fine.
The politics surrounding birth simply amazes me. One doctor insisted that I provide medical "proof" as to why I wasn't having my son circumcised ( I did). Another didn't bother to show up at the hospital until the baby was crowning, despite the fact that the nurse called him repeatedly (he's the same guy that tried to hurry placenta removal by pulling on the umbilical cord, causing me INCREDIBLE pain). My last doctor insisted that, despite the fact that my first three births had been straightforward and uncomplicated (the last two births were only four and two hours in duration), that I was going to have routine ultrasound exams,and I was to gain no more than fifteen pounds(my average gain was forty pounds, all of which I lost). I did some major research, fired him, hired a midwife (after carefully interviewing her), and had my last two children at home.Home birth isn't for everyone, but it was the best decision I ever made for myself.
"My impression is that we have a political culture right now that falsely pits fetal rights against women's rights, and that you are seeing a kind of snowballing effect," said Lynn Paltrow, of the New York-based group National Advocates for Pregnant Women. "We're at the point now where we're talking about arresting pregnant women for making choices about their own bodies, and that's not right."BUT I disagree with this statement. The article brings up Drug addicted mothers who give birth. I have worked with the products of these pregnancies, FAS, Fetal Drug Affect kids for years. Many of them are quite literally ruined. For life. NOONE has the right to do this to a child. In that case, womens "rights to choose " should be moot, they should get a 20 to life sentence, because that is what theyve given a child. Period.
The case is one of several in recent months that have revived a debate about whether mothers have an absolute right to choose when, where and how they give birth -- even if the health of their baby is at stake.Notice this paragraph does not say anything about drug addicted mothers or alcoholic mothers that damage their children. They include all mothers. When the powers that be start deciding "whether mothers have an absolute right to choose when, where and how they give birth--" that makes me nervous. Before long they make it illegal to deliver anywhere except a sterile hospital room. That is infringing on an individual's rights to do something natural, just because the government thinks they know what is best for everyone. Sorry for the soapbox...I just have real issues with government (and yes religion) always trying to decide what is best for us. exjdub (who was born a few years late and should have grown up in the 1960's instead of the 70's)
avishai >I think that birth needs to be looked at as a natural thing, rather than a medical emergency. That's why my daughter was born in a hospital with a midwife, in the room, and did'nt go to a baby room. The other area hospital looks at it as a thing for doctors.