The hypocrisy Jesus had towards the pharisees and sadducees

by adjusted knowledge 32 Replies latest jw friends

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  adjusted knowledge

  It is no wonder the Jewish leaders had ridiculous rules concerning the sabbath.  The following scripture alone should instill fear of those forsaking the Sabbath.
  

  (Numbers 15:32-36)--"Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. 33And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; 34and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. 35Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." 36So all the congregation brought him outside the camp, and stoned him to death with stones, just as the Lord had commanded Moses."

  Here was a man killed by God for gathering wood on the Sabbath. So didn't the Pharisees have a point when they confronted Jesus?

  Matt 12:1 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on a Sabbath. His disciples were hungry, and they began to pick heads of wheat and eat them. 2 But when the Pharisees saw this they said to him, “Look, your disciples are doing what is against the law to do on the Sabbath.”

  I'm not a bible scholar but it just seems like a lot of contradictions throughout the bible.
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  StarTrekAngel

  Not necessarily. While there are some that question the authenticity of the bible or the motives of God, your would have to bring more evidence to the table. Jesus never denied the Sabbath should be observed, but rather pointed out the very same things that are pointed out about the blood issue. Jesus himself explained that the Sabbath came to be because of men and not men because of the Sabbath. So you would have to show that the man was willingly ignoring the rule without a need for it. If he was freezing to death and needed the wood to warm himself and his house, then he would have been right to go get the wood.

  Jesus pointed out how David violated the law when he was hungry and ate bread that he was not allowed to eat and yet did not die. Read the context of what Jesus said and should be self explanatory
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  Village Idiot

  Here is another scripture, from that same conversation that illustrates Jesus' liberal view of the Sabbath: "Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath..." Mark 2:27 New International Version

  Someone forgot to tell Jehovah and Moses that.
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  Village Idiot

  adjusted knowledge: "I'm not a bible scholar but it just seems like a lot of contradictions throughout the bible."

  A good source list for those contradictions.
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  adjusted knowledge

  and needed the wood to warm himself and his house, then he would have been right to go get the wood.

  Why else would a person gather wood? I'm sure he wasn't doing it because it was fun. If Jesus and his disciples waited one day they wouldn't of died of starvation. Maybe its just a case of nepotism, and God looked the other way when his son broke the Sabbath.
  
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  Jonathan Drake

  There is a significant different between these two events. In numbers the man purposely went out to work, and did work - he broke the sabbath. 

  In Matthew the disciples we're just moseying along picking off heads of stalks of wheat and munching on them. They werent out their harvesting the field or something. It's more like you walking along munching on one of those little cans of Pringles or something  

  There is a pretty significsnt difference here. And this shows how insane the Pharisees rules had become. They considered the disciples actions "work" and it was not. They also had a rule for people that they should wash their hands up to the elbow before a meal, just washing your hands wasn't enough. The Pharisees were out of control, and there was a hug difference between the man chopping wood and the disciples picking grain heads. 

  I do see how it can LOOK like a contradiction though, it's a good find.
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  Village Idiot

  Jonathan Drake: "There is a significant different between these two events. In numbers the man purposely went out to work, and did work - he broke the sabbath."

  And that justifies the execution? Such a 'god' is exactly what inspires dictatorial hearts like that of the Jehovah's Witness governing body.
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  opusdei1972

  Of course, the god of the OT was many times intolerant and violent, but Jesus, as shown by the NT,  was more flexible, and it seems that for that reason the historical Jesus was punished at a cross. And yes, it creates a contradiction, because the Law was understood by the Jews as to be valid forever, but christians like Paul had to invalidate it in order to attract the gentiles. May be Jesus did not say that against the Sabbath, but it was convenient to wrote it. 
  
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  Jonathan Drake

  Jonathan Drake: "There is a significant different between these two events. In numbers the man purposely went out to work, and did work - he broke the sabbath."
  

  And that justifies the execution? Such a 'god' is exactly what inspires dictatorial hearts like that of the Jehovah's Witness governing body.

  It was not the work he was put to death for, it was the flagrant disrespect toward God's law. In a world where a benevolent almighty being has taken your entire family and friends through a miraculous parting of a sea, fed you miraculously, punished the Egyptians miraculously in very dramatic ways? Hypothetically, you're in this situation and you saw all of this (which this man would have), and that God tells you not to do any work on one particular day, but to use that day for reflection. Would you listen?
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  Village Idiot

  Jonathan, I think your comment above is a reflection of your soul.