I sued the local congregation

by chukky 594 97 Replies latest jw friends

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    Well, I don't know if MLE will read this, since he says he's done with this thread, but I'll comment again anyhow. Let me preface it by saying to MLE:

    From all of my comments on your threads, MLE, you have to know I like you. There's somethng about you that puts me in mind of my beloved SD-7, who I love as my own son. Anyway...

    I'm wondering why the congregation didn't offer to at least pay the unreimbursed medical bills. Wouldn't that have been the loving thing to do, especially since brothers aren't permitted to sue brothers?

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    Well, I don't know if MLE will read this, since he says he's done with this thread, but I'll comment again anyhow. Let me preface it by saying to MLE:

    From all of my comments on your threads, MLE, you have to know I like you. There's somethng about you that puts me in mind of my beloved SD-7, who I love as my own son. Anyway...

    I'm wondering why the congregation didn't offer to at least pay the unreimbursed medical bills. Wouldn't that have been the loving thing to do, especially since brothers aren't permitted to sue brothers?

    Dang Jamie, why're you playing with my emotions? Damn.........I'm only posting this because I like you too. Damn. Its the only reason I'm posting this, because quite frankly.....I really am through with this thread. I have to admit, it has touched a nerve. I'd be lying if I said it didnt. Thats why even though I said I'm through with it, I keep looking at it! LOL! This is one of those moments in life where I refuse to see the other side because I just don't think there's anything to see. There's right and there's wrong. Jamie, why are you doing this to me? Huh? Why? The fact remains, "his" daughter, and I emphasize again, "his" daughter who "he's responsible for" was not paying attention to what she was doing and caught an "L" in the process. It happens, I understand that. Take the kid to the ER, let them sew her up, and call it a f#$ing day. But no, that family has a moral code(flimsy in my opinion) that demands for whatever reason, that they have to sue several years after the fact. Then they have the nerve to say it was because they had a mother attending that hall. "They put me through so much!!" Yeah, whatever bruh, join the club. Register at JWN, its full of Sobb stories. Forgive me, I hate cursing on here, but thats complete.....utter.....bull.....shit. GTFOH!!!!! If they didnt' have adequate health insurance, or one of those snake-like health insurances that fought coverage in a case like this, then I can see suing. In this case though, naw, I don't see it. I'm not saying I'm any better than them, but like I've said before...when I post a thread, I expect criticism as I'm not above it. The same should be expected in this case. He put himself out there, and shouldn't expect all of us to agree with it. I'm not one of those lets do whatever to hurt the Watchtower. There's principles in war, there's rules to this.

    As far as why the congregation didn't foot the medical bills, again I'd ask whether or not the family had insurance? Was the insurance balking at coverage for this incident? Also, I'd mention, there's two sides to every story. Just because someone posts something, doesn't mean I accept it as fact. See Kool-Aid, or Johnny Bethelite, or even Shelby whom I love to death, but if you bite on Jecusah Mebuthelah, well you're on dust. Anybody on here can take that how they want to, I don't really care. There's two sides to every story, it takes two to tango.

    Again, I'm temporarily done with this thread!

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    the only reason I'm posting this, because quite frankly.....I really am through with this thread. I have to admit, it has touched a nerve.

    But see, that's how it was with me, too, dear Rooster-Dude (the GREATEST of love and peace to you, dear one, and I love you, TOO, man!): the thread and comments touched a nerve. It's the nerve that says "Anyone who says that anyone who sues (even though they have cause and grounds to... and the other side COULD have avoided a suit - it's called "settling a claim")... is just wrong"... is just wrong. Not just legally, but even scripturally. That's not returning evil for evil; because there was no "evil" involved, per se. It was an ACCIDENT and so making a claim is just asking for restitution from someone ABLE to pay (either personally or through insurance).

    Folks are getting all goo-goo over "Well, now the poor congregation has to pay." Dear one, the congregation pays... the WTBTS... and you're not cryin' over that! Would you TRULY rather money, that SHOULD have went toward that child's medical bills... as well as her pain and suffering... go the WTBTS?? Seriously??? 'Cause regardless of WHO donated it (whether congregants or householders)... that's where it's going (after bills)... for one purpose or another (i.e., KH Building Fund, care for Bethelites/missionaries/"special" pioneers... CO's pocket...).

    If they didnt' have adequate health insurance, or one of those snake-like health insurances that fought coverage in a case like this, then I can see suing.

    Wait. So, if her PARENTS didn't carry insurance then it would have been OKAY for them to sue? Wouldn't not carrying insurance... if they could afford it... have been IRRESPONSIBLE? And if they couldn't afford it because, say, they only worked part-time, were out of work, or pioneered, etc., THEN the congregation should have picked up the tab? Well, then, let's hope dear Chukky was more than the usual JW pioneer-janitor, 'cause how the heck was he supposed to AFFORD insurance if he was?

    Dear Counselor Rooster, I can understand that you have an aversion to lawsuits. Truly, I can. And I agree that they can be excessive, I do. And I agree that dear Chukky's (peace to you!) motive may have been wrong here - he sued out of anger rather than out of a desire to make his daughter "whole" (which is the purpose of a suit).

    BUT... as I stated before and some have corroborated... it was the congregation's responsibility... and the congregation that should have stepped up IN THE FIRST PLACE, particularly since the elders hold sway over the people on the basis of having been "appointed by holy spirit" and so "know" so much about "love" and how ones are to treat one another. Since they are so adamant about JWs being all "law-abiding" and everything... THEY SHOULD HAVE SET THE PROPER EXAMPLE. Had they DONE so... on day one ("Please, brother, send us the bills - it was our error in allowing obstacles in the first place so that your dear little one was hurt; the LEAST we can do is cover your medical costs!")... there would have BEEN no lawsuit.

    Do you SEE that, dear one? True, two wrongs don't make a right. But here, one of those "wrongs" WAS right. Because you know WHAT? It would have been an even GREATER wrong for him to not exercise his DAUGHTER'S rights... on HER behalf... which rights would have expired when she turned 18. In that instance, SHE could have sued HIM (dear Chukky)! And why compensate her? Let's say it's not only to cover her pain and suffering (which is certainly was, and please... please... do not pull out the "she was too young to too remember" card. Because that is entirely irrelevant)... but any future potential "tick" that just MIGHT arise as a result of her injuries. For example, crooked teeth or an off-bite. Or TMJ. Or whathaveyou. So MANY adult pains and discomforts are the result of childhood injuries that went undiagnosed and/or untreated. If such does arise, she now has some money to help her seek care for it, should she choose to do that (and if not that, too, is her choice, but she'll have to live with the result)... her claim has been resolved. She can't go back later and complain of pain (unless that was part of the settlement).

    Please... please... get a book on Personal Injury law. Nothing huge or fancy, just one of those DIY dealies perhaps like Nolo Press sells. Then also read about the history of personal injury law. 'Cause it goes all the way back to the OT:

    "When you build a new house, then you shall make a parapet for your roof, that you may not bring guilt of bloodshed on your household if anyone falls from it.

    [Say, what?! Why, he's a grown man - can't he see that he might fall off the roof? Why is it MY fault if he gets too close to the edge and falls off? What's he doing up there, anyway??]

    I am thinking that perhaps (1) you don't have any children, (2) you've never sustained an injury (or if you did, no one properly informed you of your rights), and (3) you don't own a home... or any piece of real property, dear one. Because if you did as to any of these, your perspective... and thus, your response... would be quite different.

    Now, here's a HUGE hug! Let's move on and get back to "loving" one another ('cause I like that much better)!

    Again, the greatest of love and peace to you!

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SA, who wishes my insurance agent would have a problem paying a claim if someone got hurt at my house or in an accident that was my/my husband's fault. She would get "told" [to handle it] right off because that is what I am paying FOR all these years! It's not THEIR money but mine, to cover MY negligence. She wouldn't have to worry about the injured party suing - I would sue with them!

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers
    Dang Jamie, why're you playing with my emotions? Damn.........I'm only posting this because I like you too. Damn. Its the only reason I'm posting this, because quite frankly.....I really am through with this thread. I have to admit, it has touched a nerve.

    I wasn't trying to play on your emotions. I just didn't want you to think that many of us big, mean apostates were picking on you, LOL! Now I know why I like you so much. Minus the swear words, your last post on this thread could've been one of the emails that SD-7 sends me. The both of you have very similar writing styles, and I have a feeling, the same tender heart. Geez, he'd kick my ass if he knew I was writing this stuff about him!

    Okay, so as far as you and I are concerned, we'll just agree to disagree, but I must make one last point. Health insurance when you're hospitalized still costs the patient out of pocket money. For instance, my husband's health insurance company says that his plan caps out of pocket expenses at $3,000 for a hospital visit, but that doesn't include the $500 deductible, the $500 co-pay for the hospital or the $500 deductible for presriptions or the co-pays for them or the doctors.

  • DT
    DT

    I'm surprised at how willing some people are to blame the victim. Yes, there are nearly always things that the victim could have done to reduce or avoid injury. However, people have limitations. They can't be hyper vigilant all the time. It's neither possible nor desirable, since this would cause a great deal of unneeded stress. Furthermore, if someone pays too much attention to one danger, then it's easy to miss others. In this case, I can imagine the girl trying to move quickly and quietly across the hall in order to not incur the displeasure of elders or busybodies. It would be impossible to focus on every single possible danger that was involved. It's true that they all knew that the wires were there, but this doesn't make it easier to avoid them because people will naturally get used to a hazard that they see all the time.

    It's easy to look at a single situation and think if only the victim did this or that. Maybe the accident could have been avoided if the parent escorted the child across the hall (as has been actually suggested on this thread). However, it's absurd for a parent to hover over a child every time she moves a few feet. It also increases the chances that some random accident would occur. Suppose the parent tripped and fell on the child, I could see the same people who criticized the parents say if only the parent wasn't so overprotective this accident could have been avoided.

    Since accidents are inevitable, it makes sense to pay attention to the potential causes of accidents and remove them if practical. This is where the Watchtower society is culpable. They know that the wires pose a hazard. They know and can expect that these wires will cause injuries on a regular basis for whatever reason. They could easily prevent this hazard, but deliberately chose not to. Yes, it happened in a local congregation, but it is the headquarters that directs and often insures the local congregations.

    It is strange to suggest that you shouldn't sue if you have insurance to cover the accident. Why should the insurance company pay if someone else is legally liable? In this case it is another insurance company (run by the society) that is dodging responsibility. It seems close to insurance fraud when the society insures the congregations, but is notoriously stingy in paying damages and can use cult mind control techniques to prevent most claims from going through. If they get sued often enough, they might have to eventually start buying real insurance, like the rest of us.

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    I feel as if I'm being taunted........

  • tec
    tec

    LoL.

    Can't resist, can you?

    Tammy

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    LoL.

    Can't resist, can you?

    Tammy

    This thread caused me some minor sleep loss. I'll be honest with you, this thread ticked me off. I did pushups off the couch to blow off a little steam. It just kills me how quick people are to sue.

  • tec
    tec

    I don't like the quick to sue, either, and perhaps the motives left something wanting... BUT... the elders did lie instead of stepping up to their part of the legal responsibility too. So...

    In either case, I pace and mutter to myself when something gets to me. I would go for a walk ( a speed walk!) but its been -20 here for a while, and well, I rarely get THAT upset ;)

    Tammy

  • DT
    DT

    "It just kills me how quick people are to sue."

    At least in this case, they waited a few years. Oh, but that fact also irritated some people. I guess this thread is just bound to generate controversy.

Share this

Google+
Pinterest
Reddit