Autism Times six.. on discovery health

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  • Cc81
    Cc81

    Has anybody seen the ads on the discovery health channel for the show autism times 6? They have 6 children and apparently all 6 of the children have autism. I was doing some reading about this family.. its very sad. I cant help but wonder why they would continue having children after realizing that the older children of the bunch had autism. The oldest child is 14, the youngest being 3. I do not mean to sound ignorant or mean. They must be amazing parents to do what they do everyday. I have a lot of experience with children who have autism having worked as a nanny for special needs children for about 10 years. Its one of the hardest things to deal with. Its a very sad thing.. i just dont think i would have continued having children after realizing all of the older children were special needs.. Any thoughts on this?

  • LDH
    LDH
    Any thoughts on this?

    Yes.

    I don't feel sorry for them at all. That's what they wanted. They clearly don't believe in genetic testing or abortion. I'm not going to cheerlead for them.

  • reneeisorym
    reneeisorym

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7899821/

    Would you allow Bill Gates to be born?

    Gates is widely reported to display many personality traits characteristic of a condition known as Asperger’s syndrome. Asperger’s is a mild version of autism, a more serious condition that renders many children unable to talk, be touched, communicate or socialize. While I certainly do not know if Gates has Asperger’s, his difficulties in social settings are nearly as legendary as his genius, so it's possible.

    The perils of genetic testingThat said, if you had been Gates' potential mom or dad 50 years ago, what would you have done if you knew about his abilities and flaws before he was born? Would you have wanted a child that would go on to do great things but would have a hyper-nerdy personality? What if the decision about whether to have a child like him also carried a risk that he might be born with far more serious disabilities? Would you have decided to carry the baby to term?

  • Cc81
    Cc81

    Renee, that is very interesting. I personally do not believe in abortion so i would carry a baby to term regardless of what condition they had. I just found it sad that all 6 of these children have autism. And like i said.. after giving birth to 2 or 3 children who had autism you would think there plates would be completely full as it is. I think at that point i would want to prevent pregnancy so i could focus on the ones i had.

  • AnneB
    AnneB

    If you knew a woman who had 7 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you think she should stop having children?

    Her 8th child was Beethoven.

    Live and let live.

  • Nowman
    Nowman

    CC81,

    I think the same way you do, if it were me, and had 3 children and all had autism, I would not have more (try to not have more by prevention) because they would need my attention. I know it would be difficult. In fact, if I had 2 in a row that were autistic, I would have made the decision to stop having more children by prevention.

    If there was an accident while trying to prevent having more babies, I would have my child, those would be the cards I was dealt with.

    Interesting thread, interesting comments.

    Nikki

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    I think the parents are mentally ill.

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    I know there are anecdotes about disabled people achieving great things. This makes me wonder 2 things:

    1. Why do we not hear anecdotes about the overall quality of life, happiness, etc. of these individuals?
    2. What percentage of seriously disabled people achieve unusually great things for the human race such as those mentioned here?

    I have very serious health issues and my parents knew I'd probably have one of them. I do not feel it was ethical for them to intentionally conceive. I have achieved some big stuff in my life, had a lot of happiness, made lemonade out of lemons, but my life always has been fraught with struggles. My achievements do not mitigate my parents' giving priority to their own desires.

    I hear parents of disabled people say often, "I asked him when he got older, and he wasn't sorry he was born." /80

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    "Again, there is no measurement. What constitutes "seriously disabled"? What are "unusually great things"? Who is qualified to make these determinations? Again, perspective."

    So some anecdotes are ok but others are not?

    "Everybody struggles, including all the so-called "healthy" people. Every body is less than perfect."

    And this is news?

    "You're here. You have health issues. Deal with it."

    Go to Hell.

    "Your parents don't owe you or anyone else an explanation of why they live their lives as they do."

    I didn't ask them for an explanation, so what's your point?

    "Your ethics are just that, yours. Applying them to other people, expecting others to conform to your standards, is the road to dissatisfaction and regret."

    I didn't apply my ethics to anyone else. Reading comprehension.

  • AnneB
    AnneB
    Go to Hell.

    You've already taken up all the space and you're wallowing in it.

    Get a life.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    Wow, this thread devolved pretty fast. i was gonna chime in with something, but i think I'll just move along....

  • LDH
    LDH
    My other two children are very happy, in part because they're not aware of the nonsense my oldest son was exposed to.

    Based on this schematic, if they were sexually abused or physically abused they'd never know the difference there either.

    Look--you can do what you want to do. All I know is how difficult it is (physically, financially, morally) to raise two completely healthy children and expose them to the best life has to offer. I have a workmate who can't even afford the *ucking 6 kids he has, and yet his wife is getting surgery so they can have two more!!!!!

    Only the ignorant pop babies out without a financial plan. Only the ignorant allow their children to breeze through school on the hopes that there's a scholarship somewhere out there that will help them go to school. Only the ignorant pop out babies without regard to planning exactly how it is they're going to parent that child.

    Because the rest of us know, that even with a plan things go awry.

    I am sorry and don't mean to offend anyone, but the natural life cycle says that moms and dads don't really have to change diapers much after the age of 2. I would not and could not intentionally bring a child into this world that did not have the capability of growing into a normal human.

    St. Ann for your other two there is always therapy.

  • LDH
    LDH
    No? Then, by all means, they should keep having kids until one starts doing that.

    Exactly.

    If there is one message I could get across to poor women worldwide it would be to STOP HAVING GODD@MN BABIES!!!!

    This is what Margaret Sanger fought so hard for. Women if you don't know who this is, you should be shamed into learning.

    Initially met with fierce opposition to her ideas, Sanger gradually won some support, both in the public as well as in the courts, for a woman's choice to decide how and when, if ever, she will bear children. In her drive to open the way to universal access to birth control, Sanger was a controversial figure whom some now consider ahead of her time.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    I'm not going to out this person becasue they've said this before here but there is a much loved poster on this board who I believe is one of the most intelligent persons I have the pleasure of knowing and who happens to be on the autism spectrum.

    I have an autistic child. He's my last child and no he wasn't planned. He's a real oops. Had him even though I had an IUD. Didn't really want another child and after I had him I got my tubes lasered. He's a handfull but I'm so glad he's mine.

  • LDH
    LDH

    That was your choice and I completely support your right to that choice.

    Besides, Pookybear is a cute name. LOL.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow

    It's been fairly recently that they've begunt to understand asperger's syndrome and other types of high functioning autism. My sister always thought my son was autistic. But I thought he was way too intelligent and normal to be autistic. He was diagnosed with ADHD instead. Now I see Asperger's written allover him, but it's too late to really help him. He's on his own and he is 24. There are some who think Andy is an aspy. I think it's very possible.

    How severe is the autism of the children in the documentary? Are they all different in the spectrum of things?

    The priest gave a sermon on Sunday about the difference between justice and fairness. He said the two are used interchangeably, but they are different concepts. I mention this, because some say they do not feel sorry for these parents. I don't feel sorry for them. I do feel that all people deserve kind support in their lives though. There was a time when people looked out for each other, without all the judging. And the world was a kinder, gentler place.

  • mrsjones5
    mrsjones5

    I just did a google search on "Autism times Six" and guess what site is first? This one...this thread...I can't say that I'm too happy about since the tone of this thread for the most part seems to be a bid heartless. Be that as it may here's a link that goes into the family makeup of the ATS family (it's not a bad read, oh and ya might want to read some of the comments too) http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/Story?id=4245377&page=1

    Josie

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    AnneB:

    If you knew a woman who had 7 kids already, three who were deaf, two who were blind, one mentally retarded, and she had syphilis, would you think she should stop having children?

    Her 8th child was Beethoven.

    Live and let live.

    If only the idiot who made up that insidious irrelevant piece of nonsense had been aborted, we wouldn't have to see it everytime the A word is mentioned.

  • Cc81
    Cc81

    They are all interesting points. and everybody is entitled to their own thought or feeling on the matter. I happen to agree a little bit with everyone. i started this thread simply because it was a thought that crossed my mind after seeing the preview. My best friend has a little boy, he is 4 now. And he has severe autism. I love this child. He is like a nephew to me. But i also know how hard it has been for my friend. She has personally made the decision not to have any more children simply for the fact that she wants to focus on her son and help him. That was her decision. I am not saying it is right or it is wrong. And i was not saying that the family having six children with autism was wrong. It was their choice.I just know how hard it is to care for one child with a handicap. I cannot imagine having six of them.. I feel that if i was in that situation that i would have stopped after 2 or 3 and focused on the ones i had. Like i said before.. i don't believe in abortion myself. so if i knew a child was going to be handicap i would continue the pregnancy.

  • drwtsn32
    drwtsn32
    Did anyone see Oprah today? She was talking about autism and apparently there are kids who are getting cured by their "warrior parents".

    Oprah's an idiot. She propagates misinformation (like vaccinations are the cause of autism) and her herds of followers believe it. She's almost like a cult leader...

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