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avishaiSpankings at the hall.
I knew some parents who really beat the hell out of their kids. Anyone else remember this? Seems like when I was a kid, you could'nt go to a meeting without hearing screams of pain from either the b room or the bathrooms. Any memories? And why did'nt the elders counsel some of the obviously more extreme cases of abuse, some happening right there at the hall? 
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freedom96Re: Spankings at the hall.

Apparently, when my mom was studying, I was acting up, (I was only about 2) and my mom took me outside.  A nosy lady from the hall followed my mom out, and offered to spank me for her.

God help someone who would ever try to offer to beat my child.
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blondieRe: Spankings at the hall.

Spanking didn't work with us, so my mom quit.  She would just take us in to the back room until we quieted down.  Imagine saying, "stop crying or I'll beat you."  I did offer to take children to quiet them down to save them from a spanking.  To this day, I pick up babies and they stop crying.

I once took a wooden spoon away from a sister using it on her child's bare bottom, full of bruises.  I broke the spoon and handed it back to her.  She switched congregations right after that.....was it me?  I bet she wondered why she got investigated by child services.

Blondie
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DebraDollRe: Spankings at the hall.
Mine continued untill my late teens-hit ANYWHERE (face, neck, back, breasts, legs, buttocks, etc...) that the back of my father's hand, thick leather belt, hair brushes, shoes, horses bridles, and even the heavy ornate antique wooden door-moulding (he ripped off the doorway) could strike. When I became engaged at 18, my father (an elder) rushed out of my house to meet my fiance in the street, with a sucker punch (by an ex-marine mind you to a 17 y/o newly baptized BOY!) to his jaw, breaking it. How's that for memories? God help me if I didn't jump up, in a friendly mood, from bed the FIRST time the alarm went off! My brothers still shudder at the memory of the sounds of agony from upstairs-made them into choir-boys! Now wouldn't that make ANY kid LOVE and OBEY Jehovah?!? PTOOEY!
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Lady LeeRe: Spankings at the hall.

When my first daughter was 2 weeks old I had a sister tell me that the way to make her stop crying in the hall was to spank her!!! grrrrr

My mother was dragging us all to the hall with whelts and bruises from her beatings. No one ever said a word.

And then they joked when both my brothers had broken arms that it was from my mother's beatings (they weren't but I'm amazed she never broke anything)
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avishaiRe: Spankings at the hall.

((((Debradoll)))) Sounds like your dad was a real man, what wiht having to beat up little kids & sucker punch people. I hope he went to prison where monsters like that belong.
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czarofmischiefRe: Spankings at the hall.

Us kids used to act up - and then we'd get dragged out the back and spanked. But it wasn't really abuse. And we WERE acting up. I remember once my dad was conducting the watchtower, saw me acting up (in the front row, of course, we were model dubs) and he stopped the study, handed it over to the reader, came off the platform, and spanked me in the back room.

Talk about a fundamental shift in my world view! My assumption that my dad would never come off the platform and get me was shattered. It was like a wild card landing and spoiling your royal flush.

I know that there is a lot of abuse going on, but most of the time, what can I really have done about it? I was young, and then I got out.  We were bad kids, and there was nothing to be done but beat us. We shouted and fought and got bored and drew on the watchtowers and eventually I started reading the bible until I practically had it memorized.

Which was to the WT's ulitmate downfall in my book...

CZAR
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CeliaRe: Spankings at the hall.
 once took a wooden spoon away from a sister using it on her child's bare bottom, full of bruises.  I broke the spoon and handed it back to her.  She switched congregations right after that.....was it me?  I bet she wondered why she got investigated by child services.
Blondie : Not an easy thing to do, to get involved when you see a parent abuse a child....  but certainly the right thing to do.  I applaud you.
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ApagaLaLuzRe: Spankings at the hall.
Yes, I was one of those kids that got the hell beat out of them at the hall. Till I got to big to be dragged out by my arm and had the hell beat out of me at home
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EuphemismRe: Spankings at the hall.

I have hardly any memories from before I was 4 years old... my parents have told me, however, that both my older brother and I would get spanked if we wouldn't sit still at the KH, starting from when we were around a year old.

The WTS is the same the world over; when we were in Spain, I remember being at bookstudy and hearing the sounds of a little boy (2 or 3 years old) being spanked in the kitchen. Before the study, the mom had shown us all the plastic ruler she had in her purse... I guess she meant to assure us that her son wouldn't be any trouble.

The congregation I spent most of my teenage years in was an easygoing one; I hardly ever saw or heard a spanking at the hall. When I switched to the Russian, however, there was one particular couple with a two-year-old daughter, and her parents (ex-bethelite husband, pioneer wife) would demand that she sit straight up and absolutely still at the meetings. Even if she wasn't making any noise, she would get spanked just for not sitting still. Sometimes I dreaded going to bookstudy just because I had to watch how they treated the girl.

I certainly wouldn't compare these things to the beatings that Lady Lee or DebraDoll suffered; but I still think they constitute abuse.
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avishaiRe: Spankings at the hall.
. But it wasn't really abuse. And we WERE acting up
It may not have been abuse. But do you have small children? Making them sit still and quiet for two hours alone is abuse, if you ask me!
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PuternutRe: Spankings at the hall.

Not only were spankings annoying at the hall for others to listen to, while the meeting was in progress, but it usually didn't stop there. Some kids were required to answer at least twice during the meeting, or else they would be getting it at home. And if they didn't pay proper attention at the long assemblies, then there would be no swimming at the pool that evening. And if their WT wasn't prepared thouroughly, they would get no lunch until they had gone back and restudy the articles. So is this child abuse to the inth degree?

You be the judge.
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SassyRe: Spankings at the hall.

Yes.. I remember growing up with all that.............

AND when I was married to my first husband and he really beat those kids the way he spanked them.. Usually if I could interfere and take them in the back first, I could avoid it..

but then we got counciled by the elders that I shouldn't be the one doing it..........

so it was back to him doing it........and I would shudder and die inside as I heard my kids being spanked so hard I knew he was leaving marks..
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nobody told meRe: Spankings at the hall.
 Not that the brother would ever do this at the hall, but I knew a future elder (m.s.. at the time) who would beat his kids with a rubber hose.    Too bad the oldest lied when confronted by school officials.   Trust me I would have turned the moron in if I knew at the time.
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dhRe: Spankings at the hall.

i know an elder who told me that he hated when kids were undisciplined and parents let them cry in meetings, or be noisy, he told me about the time he got up in the middle of one meeting and took someone elses kid out back and belted them to teach them some discipline.
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unbelieverRe: Spankings at the hall.

There is this one woman at my old KH that likes to whip other peoples kids.  She even hit me as a child in FS because I spilled some pop on my dress.  When my mom confronted her the bitch denied it.  grrrr  Her own grandchildren won't go near her.  She once made the huge mistake of smacking one of my neices for not being still at the KH.  I did not find out about it till 2 years after it happened.  Mom claims she did not know it happened.  She must be deaf/blind/stupid because my neice told me mom was sitting right beside her.  I only found out because my neice told me in a casual conversation. 

The anger that went thru me.  OMG I will never forget it.  I went to my mom's looked at her address book and found out where she lived.  I went to her apartment and cussed the bitch out.  I wanted to beat her ass but she was not worth the $185 fine and anger management classes I would have to attend.  I said what I wanted to say at her door.  Of course she quickly closed the door after my barage of curse words and threatened to call the police.  A year after that happened I ran into her at the grocery store and I cussed her out again.  You know my dub mom did not say one word to me either time about cussing her out.  I know she heard about it.  Just thinking about that bitch pisses me off!!! 
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smurfetteRe: Spankings at the hall.

((Debradoll))   Your dad sounds just like one of my best friends stepdad's.  I hope he's in jail too!

My brother and I were of the hauled to the basement of the hall and beaten with a wooden spoon class.  My brother was constantly being grabbed by various Elders who felt my mom's beatings weren't forceful enough to get through to him.  Probably because at a really young age, about 4 or 5, he started taunting her every time she'd spank him.  "Is that all you've got?"  "You can't hurt me!"  and he had a horrible maniacal laugh to go with the taunting.  He used to fight back with all he had every time too.  You'd think that would have sent the message that maybe beating him wasn't the answer.  One elder in particular wouldn't just spank him, but would all out beat him.
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GadgetRe: Spankings at the hall.
I once took a wooden spoon away from a sister using it on her child's bare bottom, full of bruises.  I broke the spoon and handed it back to her.
My mam used to break the spoon from the force of her blows, but that didn't hurt as much as the things she used to say, that I disgusted her by being so naughty, and to get away from her because she hates disgusting people.
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Special KRe: Spankings at the hall.

This is another one of the reason (on the big pile) why I stopped taking my young children to the Kingdom Hall. 

I couldn't stand the parents always slapping, spanking and hitting their kids..

and I wasn't going to do that to mine.

...

sincerely

Special K
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freedom96Re: Spankings at the hall.

At least "regular" type churches many times have a Sunday school program that is catered to that particular age group.

It really doesn't make sense to try to make small children sit at attention for a couple of hours, or longer at assemblies when in fact the adults usually don't understand what is being taught either.
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