Has the mass exodus begun? (page 1)

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kool aid man06	Has the mass exodus begun?
	It's truly exciting to see all of the "rapid fire" changes taking place in the Watchtower org. Buildings are being sold, KingdomHalls are "compressing", Bethelites are being sent home, Watchtower format changing to public issues and private issues, more and more judicial committee meetings being held for apostasy. (THE WATCHTOWER IS DEAD IT JUST HASN'T FALLEN OVER YET! The Watchtower officials are "dividing up the booty" and getting out of Dodge! Other issues the org. is dealing with includes the massive amounts of active Witnesses with "one foot in and one foot out", those of the "conscious class", in other words the "ether mask" is coming off. More and more Witnesses are seeing what the Watchtower is hiding behind. The increase of "newbies" on this site, as well as e-mails we receive from active Witnesses speaks for itself.Glad to see that many leaving the Watchtower org. still have a belief in God and are helped by that, just as we have.Many of these Witnesses leaving need encouragement and support and that's where many on this board can help and have helped.It's truly thrilling to speak with active Witnesses who will agree that the Watchtower org. has problems and are not afraid to speak out. Tonights conference call (Saturday April 26)7p.m. is expected to have some active Witnesses participating. CAll (712)432-8710 pin number 9925.
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DaCheech	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	the more nornal brothers with no family ties will definetely leavy. crazy ones, headcases, nerds, old ones, and family tied ones will stay to the end.
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Alpaca	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	I hope so. I left many friends in the BORG, and I can only hope that they will see the BORG for what it is and bail from the farcical joke that it is. Cheers, Alex
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mouthy	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Great to know many are coming to realize they are serving men!!!! wish I could be on the call tonight ,,Other committments... God be with all that call.
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Octarine Prince	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	I once was lost, but now, I'm....
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yadda yadda 2	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Unfortunately, it can hardly be considered that a 'mass exodus' has begun when they had a 3% worldwide publisher increase last service year. Whatever credibility the WTS has been losing with all their scandals, etc, is being offset by developments on the world scene that making more and more JW's (and non-JW's) suppose that the GT is on the horizon after all. Economic recession, world food shortages, soaring petrol prices, terrorism, renewed threat of nuclear war, al quaeda, threat of horrible diseases, etc, etc. It almost does look like the riders of the apocalypse are about to ride forth (not since 1914). That's why we won't see any 'mass exodus' soon.
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boyzone	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	The internet is the most powerful external weapon against the Watchtower. The most powerful internal one is themselves. With all these changes the more savvy of the brothers will begin to see all this maneuvering for what it is. Desperation.
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passive suicide	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Well......... First off I agree that the BORG are falling.....but to say that people need any belief in 'God' is just another ploy to control action. With the fall of the 'Truth'....So goes the fall of ALL religion. If God were real....He'd make all this crap a whole lot easier to cipher through. it's not a mystery...It's a JOKE. Meanwhile the same people responsible for creating this mass opiate (not just the BORG...but all organizations) are duping us all out of our freedom....money....and happiness. leave ALL religion. i don't have the answers...but I can tell you this.... .... (fill in the blank) can you honestly say you know any better?
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OnTheWayOut	Re: Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Unfortunately, it can hardly be considered that a 'mass exodus' has begun when they had a 3% worldwide publisher increase last service year. That is true. It is not a mass exodus yet. But it is something. The "growth" was a manipulation of numbers to include many 15-minutes per month publishers. Still, it shows that there are not less JW's yet. But there will be. There will be. SOON. Every new light has new questioners. Virtually none of the children who have not been baptized will ever stay in the religion once they are adults, and hardly anyone from the field is attracted to the organization. So before a mass exodus, you have the shrinking by dying off. I think 2008 or 2009 will show the shrinking. Buildings for sale will run out in Brooklyn. Soon, the Kingdom Halls will be going. Maybe they will eventually farm out their reduced printing demand and sell the valuable presses and lay off more 40-60 year old Bethelites. Maybe they will get rid of half the C.O.'s and cut the strings to the special pioneers. Maybe there won't be printing, but the stuff will go to the P.O. on the computer and the local dubs must pay to print it on the computer or at Kinkos. They are doomed, I say. DOOMED! They will run out of cuts to cut. It will happen in my lifetime. But I don't think they will close shop in my lifetime. I hope I am wrong about that last one.
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laneh	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	It is a mass exodus in the English language congregations in the U.S. A lot of Mexican JWs have been migrating into the U.S. or else the percent of decline would probably be about 3 to 5% a year. Also the so-called growth figure is suspect. I hear they've counted a lot of inactives and will keep doing so a few more years hoping that growth in Africa and Brazil will continue, though the internet there is also starting to slow them there too.
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wha happened?	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Here in Los Angeles it a cycle of merging the english speaking halls due to congregations shrinking. The foreign language congregations make up for the loss. Eventually, that cycle will discontinue and there will be a true loss of growth. I don't ever expect a mass exodus. Just a long slow death
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Lady Lee	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	and I just KNOW they are spinning the shrinking to "the love of the many is cooling off"
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wha happened?	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Actually I heard that spin recently.
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greendawn	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Only time will show if they have already begun to lose control to the point that they will start falling apart. As yet their way of controlling the JW masses seems to be effective in fact I was surprised that the generation change 13 years ago did not do it since it was so central to JW aspirations and ideals. The org lost its greatest enticement (the imminent paradise) without much damage.
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IronClaw	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	When you consider the fact that the WTS has in the past changed things in the bound volumes and on the cd roms, whats to say they are not playing with the numbers when they talk about growth, etc. The Claw.
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journey-on	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	whats to say they are not playing with the numbers when they talk about growth I don't believe any of their numbers especially since they are now told to count even inactive ones! And, I agree with Lady Lee. I'm sure they would spin any decrease as "the love of the many is cooling off". They twist scriptures like pretzels and serve it to the rank and file with a giant gulp of Kool-Aid on the side!
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wha happened?	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	counting inactive one? is this documented?
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Dagney	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	don't believe any of their numbers especially since they are now told to count even inactive ones! Exactly! Just makes me giggle I'm still counted in the numbers, no need to contact me to encourage me. Hence the "growth" in the numbers reported wherein most all of us here have seen an overall decline here in the US. Side point: I went to my old hall a month ago. I have not been back in 6+ years. The hall was full that day, I only recognized about 30% of the people. Lots of move-ins in a beach area. I am curious to know others who have left, but I sure haven't heard of any.
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yadda yadda 2	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	Us apostates sound like a pathetic, desperate bunch when we keep talking about how all the figures simply must be fudged by the WTS.
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Poztate	Re: Has the mass exodus begun?
	and I just KNOW they are spinning the shrinking to "the love of the many is cooling off" I believe the "spin" used to be applied to all the false religions of Christendom. I guess it just depends on who is putting out the new truths...
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