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I have heard it on this forum that victims are sometimes considered an offender. I did believe it, just never wanted to hear my father say or agree with it. Now I'm angry. 
I e-mailed him the trial results from California last week and this is his reply.
DJK
We are on common ground, child  molestation is despicable!  It is considered to be fornication by Jehovah's Witnesses and an offense against all involved, including the offender. 1 Corinthians 6:14,
Galatians 5:19-21.  Judging those accused is not a black and white decision.  Is it a capital offense?,
Is it habitual?, Is the offender reformable?, With the proper motivation can any addiction be kept
under control?  Alcohol,Drug,Gambling,Smoking, Homosexuality,Sexual impulses,Pedophelia,
Spousal abuse, Uncontrolled anger,Overeating ,  the list goes on and on.   The godless would say"We were born that way,we have no choice , it's in our genes,we can't help it"!  Modern "science" reinforces this fallicy.Truth is, all addictions can be overcome by self-control and the right motivation such as a heartfelt desire to change. Nevertheless, some respond irrationately particularly toward those they do not know personally ,others jump to the defense of relatives and friends.  Those sitting in judgement have a weighty task and needless to say, experienced judges have made mistakes, either being too lenient or too harsh.When all is said and done, which would you choose? 
 
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The trial I was following ended yesterday.
 

Murrieta Man Convicted Of Molesting Sisters Ages 9, 10
Jury Takes Less Than Day To Find Simental Guilty

POSTED: 9:09 pm PDT April 17, 2008

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Seeker4Re: A offense against all involved?
Ah, got to love a diehard Jehovah's Witness - Can't spell, but doesn't hesitate for a second to criticize science!

And wow, that reasoning! Molesting a child is an offense against the molester?? WTF!!!???

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BurnTheShipsRe: Re: A offense against all involved?
And wow, that reasoning! Molesting a child is an offense against the molester?? WTF!!!???

I don't see how that is difficult to understand. What we do to others, we also do to ourselves.

Burn

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Seeker4Re: A offense against all involved?
Burn - So that's why no one has ever murdered more than one person!! I get it now.

S4
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DJKRe: A offense against all involved?
Those sitting in judgement have a weighty task and needless to say, experienced judges have made mistakes, either being too lenient or too harsh.When all is said and done, which would you choose? 
This seems to imply elders never make a mistake.
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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?

While it is true that what we do to others we do to ourselves, offenders don't feel regret unless they are caught. They feel no consequences. Some even feel good about it...until they are caught. Most incarcerated rapists feel remorse. Those who never got caught feel nothing if not good about what they've done.

They think they are making the victims' dream come true by fulfilling a sexual fantasy they imagine the victim has even when he is beating (sometimes to death) the victim. NOT TRUE! They are glad they didn't get caught. They didn't think they would get caught so feel like this is a safe crime.

They think they are doing nothing wrong and the law is not right when it comes to child sexual abuse. They feel that they have a special relationship with the child and that the child is much older than she/he really is. Rapists feel they will get away with it because victims seldom report it.

16 out of 17 rapists will spend a night in jail. .05% of pedophiles are punished for their crimes. Children make very bad witnesses because of their limited language development and they can be coached and threatened by others to say what the rapists want them to say.

Often the offender is someone the child knows and trusts. Often it is the father figure in the child's life. I've included rapists and molesters in this note. Often the rapist is someone the woman knows and trusts.

Both of these crimes tend to happen in places in which the victims feel a measure of safety: Home and church. It's very rare for a complete stranger to rape a person/child. It is very rare for it to happen in a parking lot or ally.

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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?

Oh, and it usually happens over a period of two years. That is the average. It will continue until someone puts a stop to it, be it the mother or the child her/himself.

Only the most recent encounters are counted for punishment because of a statute of limitations for the older encounters. This makes it harder to prosecute because it reduces the number of incidents for that case. It could have gone on the child's entire life yet only the last few count if they are within a certain time span.

Now, add to that the two witness rule where the only witness is a child who would make a bad one because of age and you get pedophiles who get away with it.

Please know that only .05 of children lie about being abused.

Less than 2% of women lie about being raped.

Also, add to all of this that the men are upstanding in the congregation and you have pedophiles and rapists with diplomatic immunity. DI keeps the congregations LOOKING clean.

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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?

The references I site are:

Riding the Bull at Gilley's by Diana Scully and Marolla. Rapists in prison talk about their crimes.

Exiting Child Abuse (or Molestation) by...I'll get the author's names later. Child molesters in prison talk about their crimes.

 

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wingsRe: A offense against all involved?

typical

JW

sicko

thinking

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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?
This just proves how out of touch with reality, society, education, and science the elders really are. "Dr." Phil would be much better than these. With or without a license to practice, he did have the training. He violates ethical guidlines but the elders get off scott free because THEY FOLLOW GUIDLINES as set out by janitors and window washers. Their code of ethics is different than those of professionals who deal with this kind of thing often.
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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?

This discussion is waaaaay to important to leave at the bottom, sooo...

BTT

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DJKRe: A offense against all involved?
Children make very bad witnesses because of their limited language development and they can be coached and threatened by others to say what the rapists want them to say.

In some states, New Hampshire for one, a child has to be able to name dates, time and places before a prosecutor will seek charges. That can be hard for children under six.

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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?
Hard for kids under 6 to name dates, times, and places. You know, that is the second rape victims go through, having to deal with the system over and over and over again and get treated like they are lying because they can't remember everything. No, this can't go on the way it is. Something has to change.
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DJKRe: A offense against all involved?
Something has to change.
Agreed.
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White DoveRe: A offense against all involved?
I'll be starting a social work degree in the fall. I'll see what I can do about the system, if anything, after I graduate. Maybe I can do something in the pedophile victim area while getting my masters. That can be my graduate project. I will really try. Poor little kids
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darth frostyRe: A offense against all involved?
here is my problem.  On one hand they say we must not judge, it is not for us to judge.  yet they will form a JC in the drop of a hat at the slightest offence.  But, when it comes to a 'real' court of law doing their job, they will fight hat process tooth and  nail.  let someone challenge the JC and the appeal body almost always upholds the original decision. fuggin hypocrites.
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flipperRe: A offense against all involved?

DJK- I anti -witnessed to a local presiding overseer that came to my door last year about the child abuse scandals. I asked him if he would go to the authorities if he knew a witness child was being abused. He said, " Probably ". I asked, " Probably?" Then I asked him , " What about Romans 13:1 that says that we are to be in subjection to the superior authorities ? They stand placed there by God to exercise punishment on lawless people ! Are you going to prevent the authorities from doing their job of punishing pedophiles by NOT reporting it to the authorities ? Then you are going against Jehovah's arrangement ! " He said , Well, yes if the child was in danger I'd report it . "

Personally, I feel the whole organization is freaking crazy ! The main thing they are concerned about is appearance to the public ; and their own rank and file members , so they don't start leaving in droves ! It's ridiculous ! Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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LunaFingRe: A offense against all involved?
I was molested by my father from age 5 to 12. The Elders were told a year after it stopped. They didn't do anything to my father and didn't report it either. I would like to say that I was treated very nicely by the Elders and wasn't made to feel like it was my fault.
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