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SwanWhat did you think of "Simplification" ???

I know now what was behind many of the simplification procedures that were adopted at the assemblies over the years. The books and food were given away to avoid tax problems. I know that now. But what did you think about it when you were a JW?

Here is what I thought. When the society eliminated the orchestra for canned music, it was a shame because the quality just wasn't the same. What happened to art? Eliminated for cost reasons. The music our orchestras produced had soul, and now we had canned "art." Still, it saved those poor brothers countless hours of practice, so I accepted it.

Then other changes came. Books that used to be plentiful, we could only have one per family "because Jehovah's organization was growing."

Unlike Jesus turning water into wine and multiplying loaves and fishes, nutritious meals were miraculously transformed into junk food. It was explained that because they now had so many people to feed in such a short time, that they had to adopt the marketing strategies of McDonald's. Didn't that make you think? Didn't you begin to wonder? My nephew called it "the pudding meeting." All of those cafeterias we worked so hard on in all of those assembly halls! What good were they now? So we started eating sandwiches mashed in tin foil. So there we were at assemblies sucking our brains out on frozen orange juice. And the only thing on the menu that could actually be considered nutritious was the fruit bag, except most of the fruit in it was still green. After eating it you had to make extra trips to the restroom, where we were allowed only one towel.

Did you begin to feel like less of a person and like more of a number? Did you begin to resent that you had extra meal tickets unused on Sunday because they "ran out of food?" Did your stomach ever growl on Sunday because you hadn't found any hoagies left? Basically now those tickets were a donation, unless by chance you were one of the few who liked Shasta lemon-lime.

I began to dread assembly time, and the KM that announced more simplification procedures. I began to resent my hard earned vacation time being used up for these days of hardships that left you hungry for more than a gassy burrito and bone weary at the end of the day.

Go this way. Turn that way. Don't park there. Keep moving. No talking in the halls. Take your seats when the canned music starts (25 minutes before the talk). I got so blasted tired of it!

Why? Why? Why? I asked myself. It didn't used to be this way. We used to be able to eat what we wanted, get hot vegetables with our meals, and dry our hands. What happened?

"Jehovah's organization is growing by leaps and bounds!" was the answer. I really began to wonder then. 6 million JWs worldwide and Jehovah couldn't take care of us? He did with the Israelites? What was going on here? What was he going to do after the big A? How would the WTBTS take care of us after armageddon? What would happen when all of those people were resurrected? If the WTBTS couldn't handle large numbers now, how would they ever manage in the "new system?"

Sitting there at those boring assemblies I thought about all these things. The next summer I didn't use my vacation days to go to the District Convention. I made up the excuse that I had a project I was working on that I couldn't afford to take time off for. I went only on the weekend.

The summer after that, I didn't go at all. By the next January I sent in my DA letter.

So did you think there was something wrong when the simplified stuff started?

Tammy
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ElsewhereRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
Jehovah's organization is growing by leaps and bounds!

Yet the resources kept getting more and more scarce...  This tells me that the $$$ per Person being gathered was going down, down, down.

 
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iiz2coolRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

With all of that so called simplification, I have to wonder why circuit assemblys in the Toronto area, that use an assembly hall owned by the society and that has been paid off long ago, continue to have 'expenses' in excess of $4,000 per day. Multiply that by the number of days it's used in a year, and they're raking in over $400,000 a year on one building alone.

Not a bad business, eh? Maybe we should start our own cult and make some $$$

Walter
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BluebladesRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Remember the announcement in the Jan.15,2001 WT.It concerned the reorganization in which "certain members of the Governing Body who had been serving as directors and officers voluntarily stepped aside from the boards of directors of all the corporations used by the 'faithful and dicreet slave'in the U.S.A."

I was at that special meeting when that announcement was made back in Oct.2000.

The reason given for this was so that the 'SLAVE' could give undivided attention to the sheep and prepare the spiritual food for them.This was a new form of simplication.

However,what has changed,what has been forthcoming since they now have had their undivided attention toward the sheep spiritually?

It's been four years,nothing have been given the sheep.Rather things have been taking away from the sheep,freedom has been tightened,rules have been changed etc

.How many of the rank and file are even aware that the Governing Body made this commitment at that time back in 2000 as to the reason they were stepping aside

Blueblades
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michealRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
Simplification is just another way of saying "We're running out of money"
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minimusRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
Simplification is actually "downsizing".  Swan, that was a great post! I could relate to everything you said! It's really all about the numbers game and I don't mean the Bible book.
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angliseRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Brilliant post Swan.

I just wish we had read more into the changes at the time and we might have got out sooner.

The one thing we did understand was the change to paperback books. We then saw this as cost cutting and not "simplification'". I cant remember what year that happened though.

Anglise
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SwanRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
The one thing we did understand was the change to paperback books.

Really? I missed that change. It must have happened after January 1994 (my DA). It makes sense though.

Hardbound books are made to last longer, and the new light changes too fast nowadays to need the old light to stay around for very long. I heard that the Live Forever book has even been replaced now.

Also, why put the extra cost into hard-bound books that you now have to give away for free due to tax-law changes?

Tammy
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ScullyRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Having an orchestra at an assembly never cost the WTS one thin dime.  Getting rid of live music performed by individuals seems to me to have been a tactic of keeping people with any kind of talent from "showing off" or drawing attention to themselves.  We can't have people with some spark of imagination or creativity, now can we??

When we left, the books were still hard cover.  The binding was done very professionally, with special sewing machines.  The books were designed to last a long time.  Now the pages are glued to the spine and the books are paperback bound.  They'll fall apart before any New Light™ starts to flicker.  People will toss them as soon as they start to lose a couple of pages, and there will be fewer "original" editions out there to compare newer editions to for changes.  That was a very clever move on the WTS's part.

Bringing your own meals to conventions... again, this is just another way of saying "This facet is not bringing in enough revenue".  I seriously doubt that any sisters who have get up earlier in the morning to prepare meals for their families and drag the food around in a cooler consider their lives to be "simplified" where conventions are concerned.  Particularly when they are already responsible for the most part for making sure all the children are dressed properly before leaving for the convention, usually get up earlier and go to bed later than anyone else in the family.

Love, Scully

 
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stillajwexelderRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
I actually thought simplification was a good idea -- in general it led to less central control -- and I hate the control-freak tendencies of the borganization -- so I was all for it.
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RushRe: Re: What did you think of "Simplification" ???
 and there will be fewer "original" editions out there to compare newer editions to for changes.  That was a very clever move on the WTS's part.

that is an awfully good point scully, never really thought about that. genius.

Rush
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maxwellRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

I kinda missed the stuff that went with simplification like the meals at assemblies.  I wasn't too concerned about the books losing the hardcovers, but it did seem that I could keep a hardcover book in better shape.  Live music was mostly before my time.  I only remember that we had a piano player in our hall in the early 80's.  I don't remember any other hall that had that.  They moved to playing records before they released the latest songbook.  I kinda wished that they still used the orchestras and live singers that I heard they used to have at assemblies.  But simplification seemed to be a good thing.  Save money.  Less people having to be out of their seats during the program.  And supposedly it went hand in hand with the message from the platform to simplify your life by having less phyiscal possessions and worldly pursuits.  Supposedly that would save your money and time that could be better devoted to the "truth". 

Actually, my life is much simpler now than it was as a JW.  When I was a JW, I had to be at the Kingdom Hall at least three times a week plus time to go in field service.  I had responsibilities at the hall and of course you had to study before the meetings.  I had to keep a car in good working order so that I could get to meetings and share in the field service.  That translates into a lot of time and money.  Now my weeknights and weekends are free.  After I left, I sold my car, so that's a big chunk of money that I don't have to spend there.  I'm not putting money into the contribution box now either.  More money saved there, although I do donate a small token amount to a charity every year and I sometimes think about donating more.  Money had to be saved for the hotels and traveling to the District Conventions and Circuit Assemblies.  Being a JW is costly.  Leaving the JW simplified my life greatly.

 
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metatronRe: Re: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

I knew a guy in the pressroom when they started to print paperback books.

The Society had the cost savings down to the penny on each book.

Most of the motivation for 'simplification" was money -- but I think a lesser motivation

involves the deepening lack of ability and intelligence among Witnesses, especially elders and MS's.

The organization has been dumbing down for quite awhile - and it shows, particularily in the reading level

required for the publications.

Try talking to ANY adult Witness about anything that requires deep thought and watch what happens.

You can discern a silent transformation into opinions that would befit a three year old child.

Some congregations can't even find brothers who are competent to do the accounts or run the sound

for meetings.

 

metatron
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SwanRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

stillajwexelder wrote:
I actually thought simplification was a good idea -- in general it led to less central control -- and I hate the control-freak tendencies of the borganization -- so I was all for it.

That is an interesting perception. I saw it more as the organization controlling everything, like your menu, the music you listen to at intermission, etc. No room for variation. Cookie cutter assemblies. How did you see it as less control, I am really interested to know?

I remember in the 60's and 70's things were so different. The brothers used to set up snow cone stands at one assembly where it was very hot. Another served local strawberries that we volunteered to pick. Another had fresh peaches (and they were ripe!). At yet another assembly (this one in Alaska) we had halibut for dinner, which made sense for the location. Another had canteloupes and even served them ala mode. The brothers were doing a bang-up business and bringing in a lot of money for the assembly.

I also remember circuit assemblies with pies and cakes donated. I can understand the bake sale types of refreshment stands going away as health codes changed, however, but how did all of that other variation hurt the WTBTS? Because it was variation. Even back in the borg I saw simplification as a way to remove art, expression, variation, person tastes, initiative, etc. although I didn't actually recognize this as a form of "cult" control.

That was my perception. Did anyone else see this at the time? I'm really curious to know now.

Tammy
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refiners fireRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Well the tendancy is always toward the crushing of individual expression. Think upon the loss of such things as the snow cones, provided by some brother whos selling them, sure, but its a personal touch that sticks in memory.An eradicated practise now. I left in the late 70s when books were still hard bound, thank god. Its like approved forms of Art under Hitler I suppose. Monumental. Impersonal. Doubtless in the "new world" there would be classes of people allocated for extermination, and the bread would fall apart while you were trying to get a slice out of the wrapper.

I thought swans posts in this thread very good. Thought provoking.
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EuphemismRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Swan... well said.

Metatron wrote:
Try talking to ANY adult Witness about anything that requires deep thought and watch what happens. You can discern a silent transformation into opinions that would befit a three year old child.
Okay, that sort of generalization just galls me. It's true that a lot of Witnesses have a rather narrow view of the world. But putting words like "ANY" on there is simply ridiculous. I just know too many Witnesses who are actually intelligent, cultured, thoughtful people in everything except for religion.
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refiners fireRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

I would say that many of them are capable of lateral or creative thought on other issues. Except religion. On the subject of religion they fall back onto predictable stereotypes in thinking. The mind control they are under relates to the religious ideas sphere, not to every sphere of thought and possibility.

Having known meta a long while I would imagine he was referring to religious thought in JDubs. Metas no idiot.
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metatronRe: Re: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

"except for religion" (!!)

I don't think it's much of a generalization. You get a little deep about anything and what happens?

"We need to wait on Jehovah"

"I'm glad the End is so Near"

"Satan is after us"

"Well, it's still the 'truth'"

The sense of adulthood just shuts down.  I don't doubt these people have IQ's - and even education.

Yet, they are carefully trained NOT to think - to shut it out, reminiscent of 1984's "thought-crime".

How do I know? Because I NOW kick myself with the thought:

"What was I thinking????"

 

Answer: I wasn't

and neither are they.

 

metatron

 

 
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waitingRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Most cults DO have mind-stopping phrases for their members.  It doesn't mean they're dumb people - but as met brought out (after his dumbing down comment) - that they've been taught not to think any further.   Btw, the WT is dumbing down the literature.  The WT is also writing more in a convoluted style so even if you can read it.....it doesn't make sense.....but most people can't even try to really read it.  "That WT study was soooooooooo deeeeeeeeeep!" 

JW's have the capabilities to think upon anything (we're proof) - but they have to open their minds to do it.  JW's also do quite well in many businesses - proving their not ignorant and/or dumb in all areas.  They just stop thinking (or at least expressing their thoughts) on subjects they're not supposed to think about.

And JW's are proud of this fact, btw, because it's proves they're not "stiff-necked, independent thinkers, rebellious like ________________, " 

As for the little independent things we lost over the years?  Countless. 
  •  Letting our kids have crayons & paper at the assemblies. 
  •  Letting our little kids have their own pillows to take a nap after 6/8 friggin' hours of boring sessions.
  • No strollers in the hallway.
  • No walking in hallways during sessions.
  • STUPID attendents with their STUPID signs saying "No talking"  "Return to your seats" etc. 
  • Cherry pies waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back when sisters donated their cooked goods.

The WT wants a "large army" - they've got it.  Sterile, grey, saluting, no independent thinking.  Uniformed in benign smiles, canned phrases, - all for the sake of a United Brotherhood.

Ugh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   Sooooooooooooooooooo glad to be outta there!

waiting
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stillajwexelderRe: What did you think of "Simplification" ???

Swan says:

That is an interesting perception. I saw it more as the organization controlling everything, like your menu, the music you listen to at intermission, etc. No room for variation. Cookie cutter assemblies. How did you see it as less control, I am really interested to know?

Take the example of pioneers -- in the 70s and early 80s they actually submitted their reports direct to the Branch offices around the world and wrote their excuse letters of why they did not get their hours that month also to the branch-- after simplification they submitted to the secretary and gave him their excuse -- in other words the local body -- so this I saw as less centralizing and more delegating -- I will come up with others -- but I stand by what I said -- in general (there are always exceptions) I saw simplification as less central control
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