Hi all of you wild and funky people,By way of introduction, some two decades ago, I left the Jehovah’s Witness ideology at considerable personal costs, from there went forward to get a quality college education and I’m now a research scientist at an American university. A few months ago I, along with a team of international scientists, published a scientific paper that addressed a neural-behavioral discovery I had made many years ago that involved Jehovah’s Witnesses. The paper was published by Dr. Kuniaki Otsuka, and is part of a series on Biomedicine and Pharmacotherapy, published by Elsevier in HollandUsing a large epidemiological study that utilized The Watchtower’s own statistical reports for a 50-year period and from 108 nations, my colleagues and myself demonstrated a viable relationship with the motivational behaviors of Jehovah’s Witnesses and geomagnetic location along with cyclic time variations. Essentially, the study mathematically shows that the amount of time spent in field ministry activity for all classes of Jehovah’s Witnesses (from publisher to Special Pioneer) is strongly influenced by both the location where someone lives as well as regular 10.5 or double cycles of 21 years, in their activity. The cycles are driven by solar activity (an 11.2 year cycle), which modulates the Earth’s Magnetosphere and produces a radiation known in geophysical circles as geomagnetic pulsations. The geomagnetic pulsations appear to stimulate the human cerebral cortex by a mechanism known as LTP (long-term potentiation) giving rise to motivational behavior.The reason for the geographical effect is that geomagnetic pulsations are not distributed evenly over the planet. For instance, there is much more of this radiation reaching the Earth’s surface at the geomagnetic equator, and places like Japan, and Korea say than Canada or the USA. Our study showed as much as a 300% difference in motivational levels in time spent by publishers engaged in preaching activity.This human motivational effect is not limited to Jehovah’s Witnesses per say. One of the Russian researchers on our team demonstrated similar religious motivational relationships with six other religious organizations, a paper of which will be forthcoming in time.The implications of this research have the following value. The geomagnetic pulsation cycle, which we believe to be responsible for the gross neurological stimulation, roughly follows the sunspot cycle. We are now near a time of peak sunspot activity, but in only a few years, the peak period of geomagnetic pulsations will follow. Jehovah’s Witnesses may enjoy a yearly gain in both productivity and membership when this happens. Smaller increases in publisher motivation will occur this year to roughly 2005 and then there will be significant decreases in both the JW publisher output and the growth rate.The broader implications of the findings are that the success enjoyed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is not of any supernatural origin. The motivational effects provided by geomagnetic influences are completely natural and predictable in a gross way. I offer the summarized findings of this research here as I do not have the time nor desire to wage a personal war against the Jehovah’s Witnesses or any other religion. My objectives as a scientist are that of understanding the world and explaining phenomena I find of interest. I can certainly add that my time spent doing research has been much more rewarding than the twenty years I spent inside the Borg.Finally, I would be interested in reading your responses to this information. If you feel this information should be more widely known, I could spend some time and write an article for the more general public, like in a periodical like, “Psychology Today” or other general psychological or scientific journal. Typically, my published work is for other scientists in peer-reviewed journals but perhaps this information deserves some additional insemination into the public at large.Also, my public thanks here to some of you who helped me in the past to collect the data used in this statistical analysis. Your contribution is appreciated. Kind Regards,Skip Starbuck AKA Mindchild
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| Mindchild | A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
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| Englishman | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
He he he!You had me going there............ A research scientist who can't spell per se ?Englishman. Python appreciator class...... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic. | ||
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| Mindchild | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Sorry Englishman, I must have made a Freudian slip in typing this out. I guess that is what I get for not using my secretary. | ||
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| dannyboy | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Er, what a brilliant analysis....the implications are staggering....Perhaps your research indicates why, as a young boy, whenever I went to a meeting with a magnet in my pocket, I had an almost uncontrollable urge to be a Pioneer.... | ||
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| larc | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Mindchild,I would be interested in a few details regarding your findings. What is the size of the correlation between solar differences and Witness activity. Are there any confounding variables? One I can think of, is the excitement over 1975 which caused a great increase in activity, followed by a drop-off in 1976.Do you plan to extrapolate expected results versus predicted results for the next 5 or so years? If you printed your expected results now and the actual results later, this could be powerful proof for the validity of your findings. I think you should submit your findings to Psychological Bulletin, a very prestigious research journal. One question: Do you think these cycles affect all motivated behavior or do they affect religious ideation in some particular way? | ||
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| Mindchild | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Thank you Lark for some intelligent questions.To start with, while we used simple correlation in the initial working of the data, we used least squares spectral analysis for basing our findings on. Here is the abstract of our paper that explains a little more about this:(snip) In order to examine whether non-photic solar effects may influence (religious) motivation, yearly data on activities in behalf of their church by Jehovah's Witnesses from 1950 to 1999 were analyzed chronobiologically to assess their time structure (chronome), insofar as it is evaluable in yearly means for up to half a century. Data on the average number of hours per month spent proselytizing, available from 103 different geographic locations as well as grand totals also including other sites, were analyzed by least squares spectra in a frequency range from one cycle in 42 to one in 2.1 years. Each data series was also analyzed by the nonlinear least squares fit of a model consisting of a linear trend and a cosine curve with a trial period of 21.0 years corresponding numerically to that of the Hale cycle. An about 21.0-year component could be statistically validated nonlinearly in about 70% of the data series by the non-overlap of zero by the 95% confidence interval (95% CI) of the non-linearly computed amplitude. Estimates of MESOR (midline-estimating statistic of rhythm, a rhythm- [or chronome-] adjusted mean), amplitude and period were further regressed with geomagnetic latitude. The period estimate does not depend on geomagnetic latitude; the amplitude tends to be larger at low and middle latitudes than closer to the poles. The resolution of the about 21.0-year cycle, gauged by the width of 95% confidence intervals for the period and amplitude, however, is higher (the 95% CI is smaller) near the poles than around the equator. An about 21.0-year period was also found in the (equatorial) u-index from Niemegk but not in the aa-index. Near-matches of periods in solar activity and human motivation hint that the former may influence the latter, while the correlation with latitude constitute evidence that geomagnetic activity may affect certain brain areas involved in motivation, just as it was earlier found that it is associated with effects upon the "grids" of the heart. (end snip)In short though, the findings have a 95% confidence level and are significant. To answer your question regarding other confounding variables, yes we were able to determine several influences upon motivational behavior. Some of these included bans on the open preaching activity, the economy, persecution, how “colonized” a country was already with JW’s, and the prophetic disconfirmation of 1975. In normal sociological statistical work, such outliers would be subtracted from the data to give the data a “better fit.” This sometimes causes critical reviews of other researchers because it is a judgment call. In our case, we left all the outliers in place because our findings were strong enough to support it without any manipulation of the data. The bottom line then, is that the motivational factor was strong enough to be seen through all the noise.The ability to forecast into the future with this data is limited to very general predictions. The solar terrestrial interface that produces ultra-low frequency fluctuations of the magnetosphere is not fully understood. Further, the dynamics between the solar wind bulk speed, the proton temperature, and other factors that affect the magnetosphere are somewhat complex and scientists can only make comparative predictions about how the geomagnetic field will react. There are other factors that include such things as the ionization of the upper atmosphere, and local geomagnetic phenomena that come into play as well. Having said all this, there are several projects in the works that will eventually allow us to predict with better accuracy the effect of geomagnetism on the encephalon but they may be some years off.Your last question, “Do you think these cycles affect all motivated behavior or do they affect religious ideation in some particular way?” is of special interest to me. Actually, at this point I’m not sure. You may be aware that University of California at San Diego scientists discovered an area in the frontal lobes of the human brain that seems to relate to religious feelings. This got the general nickname, “The God Spot” fairly quickly. It is feasible that the geomagnetic field is stimulating this part of the brain. On the other hand, in the Chronobiological science field (in which I work) there are many other studies being done or have been done on the relationship with human behavior and geomagnetics.Here is another snip from our paper that makes brief reference to other studies related to this subject:(snip) Schizophrenia, a condition associated with motivational deficit (Gruzelier, 2000), reportedly can be affected by geomagnetic activity (Friedman et al., 1963, 1965; Persinger, 1987). Katz (1980) studied aspects of the temporal structure of motivation. Focus so far, however, was placed on circadian and ultradian components (Hashimoto, 1991; Kohsaka et al., 1999). Geomagnetic influences have been documented in relation to suicides (Stoupel et al., 1995, 2000) and melatonin (Weydahl et al, this issue), which is latitude-dependent (Tarquini et al., 1997; Wetterberg et al., 1999) produced largely by the gut (Huether, 1993; Bubenik et al., 2000) and the pineal, itself interacting closely with the hypothalamus, identified by Zilov et al. (1983, 1985) as a motivational center. (end snip)My own personal current research involves a computational analysis of other animal species to determine if there are geomagnetic relationships with neurocortical activity. I also am working with numerous international surveys of national happiness to see if there are both geomagnetic and chronobiological relationships. Finally, thank you for your suggestion for publishing in the Psychological Bulletin. Actually though, I was thinking of publishing it in a more general journal to get exposure to the layman. However, this may be of little interest to most Jehovah’s Witnesses as there is ample evidence that their belief system is flawed but they keep on going and going…P.S. one small correction in my original post, I said 108 countries, it was 103 countries. | ||
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| larc | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Mindchild,I am back with more questions and comments.First of all, I am not familiar with spectral anlysis. Could you give a brief description of the method? Also, how do geomagnetic effects compare to electromagnetic effects? Also, you state that there is as much as a 300% difference in activity. I assume that this is over the globe at the same point in time. Is that correct? Also, how does the geomagnetic equator compare to the geographic equator? This is all very new to me so I have to ask for some information that is very basic for you.Also, can geomagnetic effects be created in the lab, for more precise measurements of effects on animal behavior?Regarding publication, I would go for both the general public and another professional group. That gives you more publications (quantity does count in academia) as well as a larger professional audience that could offer suggestions regarding your research. PS,This sure does beat the reading of the latest interpretation of the book of Daniel, now doesn't it? | ||
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| Tanalyst | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
sure, they need all the exposure they can get. let us know when your articles are published. | ||
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| Kent | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
I wonder if the Earth’s Magnetosphere and radiation known in geophysical circles as geomagnetic pulsations can be the reason people like teejay and bigboy got their brains blown out. Maybe solar-winds is a factor as well? LOLYakki DaKent"The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses: http://watchtower.observer.org | ||
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| Hank | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
: A few months ago I, along with a team of international scientists, published a scientific paper that addressed a neural-behavioral discovery I had made many years ago that involved Jehovah’s Witnesses. The paper was published by Dr. Kuniaki Otsuka, and is part of a series on Biomedicine and Pharmacotherapy, published by Elsevier in HollandThey're butt-heads. Is that it?Henry | ||
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| AlanF | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
What an amazing set of scientific findings you've presented, mindchild! You and your colleagues may well be awarded a Nobel Prize!For larc, spectral analysis is a technique often used to analyze data in order to determine whether periodicities exist. It can determine a lot more besides, but that's the basic idea.To give a simple illustration, suppose you wanted to analyze tree ring growth data for a few hundred years to see if you could find any periodicities in growth, which would in turn imply periodicities in climate. You measure the width of growth rings on thousands of trees going back as far as you like, average the results and then plot the average width versus time on an x-y graph. You'll see a squiggly line with humps and dips, but most likely won't see much more than a faint trace of periodicity. Spectral analysis lets you extract the individual periodicities and gives you information about the magnitude of each periodicity in your data. In this case, most likely the strongest periodicity would be at some multiple of the period of the sunspot cycle, i.e., 11 years. Scientists have done this and actually found the strongest period at 22 years.The term "spectral analysis" comes from the "spectrum" of light, i.e., white light is made up of many frequencies all munged together into the normal ROYGBIV spectrum. When a prism splits light into its various frequencies (colors), it's doing a kind of spectral analysis. More sophisticated equipment can measure the intensity of each color. Light from the sun and stars contains not only a huge number of low-intensity frequencies that make up almost a continuum, but many particularly intense frequencies, or nulls at a frequency, that represent emission or absorption of light at those frequencies by a particular molecule. If you've ever viewed pictures of spectra from the sun or stars, you'll have seen those emission or absorption lines.Mathematically, any set of data can be analyzed to see the "frequencies" (or equivalently, the periods) inherent in the data. This is done via the technique called "Fourier analysis", which breaks data down into a set of sine waves of various magnitudes, frequencies and phases. In the case of measured data, computer programs exist to do this. The set of extracted sine waves is called the spectrum of the data. If you simply add up all of the extracted sine waves, you get back the shape of the original data curve."Least squares" is another set of mathematical techniques that allows one to find the best fit to a predetermined curve of a set of "noisy" data. Once could use this, for example, to find the best fit sine wave to a set of data that look something like a noisy sine wave. I'm not familiar with details of the "least squares spectrum" technique described by our esteemed mindchild, but I imagine it would combine these two techniques to yield a "most probable" spectrum.Hope this helps.AlanF | ||
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| mustang | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Interesting. I would suppose that the JW’s were picked because you had ‘been there’. But, on second thought, they happen to be one religion that has an obsession with numeric icons???. That does make it convenient, doesn’t it? A good and practical choice.But I’m with Larc on this; that is about other influences. He brought up 1975:“Are there any confounding variables? One I can think of, is the excitement over 1975 which caused a great increase in activity, followed by a drop-off in 1976.”For instance, you mentioned Japan as being ‘on the geomagnetic equator’ & therefore being of a high incidence, relative to the USA. Incidentally the USA, being the JW origin, has traditionally held high numbers, probably due to the greater central activity of the headquarters. However, currently, the Japanese seem to be on the decline. Please check w/ the local Japanese correspondent, Duggan/JWD, I believe. He has posted on this in some detail, though not recently.I would call this a ‘confounding variable’. Also, it looks like there is some other ‘prophecy integrity’ problems and potential scandalous matters coming to the fore this year and for the past several years. These would seem to be a ‘headwind’ to your current ‘tailwind’ effect. This might have the effect of indicating a ‘plateau’ now and a steeper fall later, relative to the trends you had mentioned previously.It has been noted that the WTS is a well-oiled Business engine, their Engineering efficiency is adequate but not the best and that they are highly proficient with the Legal Beagles.Business & Engineering wise, they could be hurt by the changing scenery with the Internet. And book publishing could take a backseat to such forms of modern endeavor as WTS would not endorse or utilize. While motivational psychology is probably more important to the JW’s than the Bible actually is, it must be remembered that they ultimately are up against their ability to ‘throw the dice’ and call the shots on the ‘god business’. A few bad calls here will wipe out all the positive pulls that motivational psychology can ever add to their progress. Of course, their Legal squad will seek to enhance those deficiencies.A ‘mainstreaming’ effort in the endgame might save the day for them. In that event, their uniqueness would go away and the numbers would stabilize or even come back up.I see that Alan is all set to do a Fourier analysis for you, Larc. Since Alan has probably built a Spectrum Analyzer, you are in good hands, LOL.MustangPS. Mindchild, I will email you w/ something of a similar nature, but totally 'off topic' to this board.PS#2. DISCLAIMER #2:Anything that I write on this posting (and prior posting's on this site and the previous H2O’s) is (or was) intended as an expression of both personal Religious Freedom and Freedom of Speech, as guaranteed in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as the "free exercise", as well as "freedom of speech" clauses. | ||
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| Abaddon | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Watch ya Skipper!How's it hanging?I've read the extract you've sent me a while back.Have they found corresponding correlations in other whacko's, er, I mean religions yet?All the bestG | ||
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| Moxy | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
this is a fascinating follow-up to the 'god spot' studies mentioned. this is not as loony as it probably sounds at first either. one should not get the impression that you could look at publisher and hour numbers and visibly see a rise and fall every 21 years. this is a subtle influence seen using the mathematical analysis described above by alanf. extrapolating from the years mentioned, i gather that these were periods of hi or lo magnetic influence on religious activities:2002-2005 hi 1991-1994 lo 1981-1984 hi 1970-1973 lo 1960-1963 hi 1949-1951 lo 1939-1941 hi 1928-1930 lo 1918-1920 hi (JW rebirth) 1907-1909 lo 1897-1899 hi 1886-1888 lo 1876-1878 hi (WT founded)some interesting comparisons can be made if i indeed have gotten this right. the fact that the early 70's being a low period is supported by unaltered statistics of high JW growth during this time makes the conclusions compelling, altho i would really like to see this paper myself.thanks for the postmox | ||
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| larc | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Alan,Thank you for your explaination. I figured it was something like that.MindChild,Since this is a complex subject, is there something in print that we can read? If this was a presented paper, I think you should get it accepted in a peer reviewed journal before going to the popular press. It would give you more credibility and it would insure that your final conclusions were free of error.Methodological notes: I seems to me tha when you go from a least squares fit to spectral analysis, you are increasing the possibility that your increase in correlation is to chance flucuations as opposed to real differences, especially with a data set of only 50 cases.As far as confounding variables, have you thought of using multiple correlation to determine if these other variables increase the explained variance? Also, why don't you go back and collect data from the 1940's to increase your sample size. I have to come back to one question that you did not answer. What is the actual size of the correlation? | ||
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| Mindchild | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Hello Again Lark,A few brief replies to your questions. First, as to your questions about spectral analysis, Alan F. below did a excellent job in explaining the basics so I won’t expand on this. Regarding geomagnetic vs. electromagnetic effects, we are essentially talking about the same thing. In the electromagnetic spectrum, there are extremely long radio waves which are known as ULFR (ultra low frequency radiation) that instead of being measured in cycles per second as we do with most electromagnetic waves, are measured in seconds or even minutes per cycle. These very long radio waves are generally known as geomagnetic pulsations as they are created by the very large magnetosphere of our planet. A similar type of radiation is the ultra low frequency radio waves used in communicating with submarines under the surface of the sea.When I mentioned a 300% difference, I was talking about monthly publisher averages for different countries. Typically northern latitude countries see publisher hours somewhere around 10 hours a month, whereas some countries around the geomagnetic equator see over 30 hours a month of preaching activity.The proximity of the geomagnetic equator and the geographical equator are somewhat similar and in the same general region but it does not follow lines of latitude and is only grossly approximate. Furthermore, the geomagnetic lines of force vary with time over decades along with geomagnetic field strength (generally decreasing in intensity globally).Yes, there has been some experimental work done already in scientific labs around the world. I personally have built and done some experimental work myself with a device that artificially produces such geomagnetic pulsations and the results were somewhat disturbing, because of the very strong effect it had on me. It disrupted my sleep/wake cycle for weeks, and gave me an effect very similar to that of a mild amphetamine overdose. More controlled and regulated experiments have been conducted and some amazing results are pouring in. Low frequency EM pulsing of the brain is now being used in helping people overcome depression without drugs. Some investigators have produced visual hallucinations of a religious nature using time varying magnetic fields. Some of the normal and healthy test subjects report seeing Jesus or angels and talking to God. There is also information coming in showing that some frequencies of ULFR are having strong negative effects in biological systems, causing or amplifying disease. In short, there is a wealth of experimental and analytical work being done with both human and animal studies in experimental and epidemiological studies. Only time will tell if these prove to have value.SkipperP.S. The visual imagery and imagination found in Biblical writings may well have been due in part to neural stimulation of human brains by geomagnetic influences. There is growing archeological evidence that ancient cultures roughly followed the sunspot cycle in periods of creativity. Julian Janes, in his seminal book, “The Origin of Consciousness and the Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind” suggests a plausible evolutionary scenario by which religious visions became incorporated into Biblical script. I find this much more interesting than the Watch Tower explanation which is full of magical thinking and gross fantasy in terms of providing explanations for past events. | ||
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| Deacon | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
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| noidea | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
After reading this post I have made a scientific discovery of my own. I am way too blonde. I was told that if I read my watchtower & awake magazines that I would understand this stuff. OK, so I didn't read them. I'll just pretend I understood it. Great Info. | ||
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| Mindchild | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Hi Mustang,Like I mentioned in my reply, the 1975 disconfirmation did appear to have a role but it was not singular in its effects. I made a simple graph to show the relationship between two environmental variables and the average hours spent worldwide by Jehovah’s Witnesses during the period. Regrettably, I can’t figure out how to include graphics in these postings so here is a brief table of information you can use to make a simple graph for yourself using something like Excel, or another word processor.The variables are the SSN (sunspot number), Ap (planetary magnetic indicator) and the average hours spent per month for each year from the worldwide totals. Outside the year, all figures are the calculated Z-scores for each variable, which allows you to mathematically place each item on the same scale.Year SSN Ap Hrs1950 1.14 0.05 0.70 1951 0.19 0.73 0.45 1952 -0.08 1.74 0.19 1953 -0.79 1.50 0.18 1954 -1.12 0.17 -0.10 1955 -1.29 -0.96 -0.06 1956 -0.67 -0.94 -0.28 1957 1.26 0.73 -0.32 1958 2.15 1.26 -0.20 1959 2.06 1.02 -0.19 1960 1.58 1.52 -0.12 1961 0.71 2.05 -0.17 1962 -0.37 -0.15 -0.47 1963 -0.67 -0.66 -0.60 1964 -0.85 -0.60 -0.30 1965 -1.18 -1.24 -0.13 1966 -1.09 -1.75 -0.34 1967 -0.50 -1.18 -0.14 1968 0.37 -0.78 0.16 1969 0.59 -0.38 0.16 1970 0.59 -0.88 -1.38 1971 0.57 -0.78 -1.24 1972 -0.13 -0.92 -1.17 1973 -0.09 -0.60 -1.39 1974 -0.66 0.47 -1.35 1975 -0.73 1.10 -1.36 1976 -1.09 -0.25 -1.37 1977 -1.14 -0.50 -1.56 1978 -0.86 -0.76 -1.50 1979 0.35 0.45 -1.25 1980 1.51 -0.09 -0.88 1981 1.50 -0.98 -1.45 1982 1.24 0.29 -0.34 1983 0.79 1.82 -0.14 1984 -0.13 0.84 0.04 1985 -0.52 0.92 0.14 1986 -1.04 -0.31 0.64 1987 -1.12 -0.60 0.80 1988 -0.83 -0.98 0.82 1989 0.48 -0.60 1.18 1990 1.56 1.04 1.40 1991 1.27 0.33 1.79 1992 1.34 2.01 2.10 1993 0.38 0.35 1.90 1994 -0.36 -0.01 1.64 1995 -0.82 0.75 1.50 1996 -1.05 -0.56 0.98 1997 -1.21 -1.38 1.30 1998 -0.97 -1.61 1.10 1999 -0.23 -0.70 0.60When you look at the real data from the published reports, you find something rather striking and unexpected by most Jehovah’s Witnesses, the average hours started dropping prior to 1975! Note what happened in 1970 and afterwards. There was a somewhat larger drop off in 1977, which was likely due to discouragement from prophetic disconfirmation but it is actually part of a larger cyclic trend. As for your speculations about the sociologic dynamics of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, well there are potentially many factors that may change the game as it is played now and the successes the religious group has enjoyed. Psychologically totalizing religious bodies like Jehovah’s Witnesses and Scientologists are not easily influenced by logical arguments or competing memes. What is much more important is both the tried and true indoctrination and protective mechanisms and the leadership of the group. There are possibly several factors that will bring challenges to this religious body in the near future, including the scandals you mentioned, but I feel those are probably not much more than a drop in the collective bucket as far as influencing effectiveness of this group. Perhaps more serious threats will result from the emerging change in society as a whole and the paradigmatic shifts that accompany it. Regrettably, cultures seem to love and embrace illusion in comparison to unpredictability or uncertainty. People are uncomfortable with not having all the answers or don’t have the skills needed to think effectively for themselves. Considering this, it will be a good guess that this group will continue unless they do something remarkably stupid.Skipper | ||
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| Mindchild | Re: A New Scientific Discovery About J.W.'s | |
Hi Abaddon,Glad to hear from you! Yes, one member of our team found similar membership cycles for about a half dozen different religious groups. However, this remains to be seen how effectively this models "motivational" behavior as these membership records are rather "loose" in application (namely you can attend a church once in a year and be labeled a member.) Thus, a little messy for publishing but we remain hopeful that other soical indicators will show more promsing results.Anyway, life is good dude. I hope the same holds true for you.Skipper | ||
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