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ozziepostThe Watchtower and the Masons


The latest edition of the Free in Christ Ministries Journal contains a very interesting article entitled The Watchtower and Masons.

Drawing upon material from the book The Watchtower & the Masons by Fritz Springmeier, it gives the following parallels between the things that C T Russell believed and those taught by the Masons:

* Both believe Jehovah is the most important word being the basis of their dogma, and the name of their God
* Both believe God yielded power to a lesser god
* Neither take heed that the Tetragrammaton (Heb. YHWH) is more correctly rendered Yahweh, nor do they give much credence to the Tetragrammaton meaning “I am that I am”
* Both use the Masonic term ‘Great Architect’
* Both teach that Jesus is merely a ‘good man’ – not Almighty God
* Both fail to understand that Jesus Christ is humankind’s only mediator
* Both believe that the church is a secret mysterious body – whose mysteries and secrets are only given to the initiated as they progress
* Both state that members of their organisation do not need to renounce their membership in other religious bodies
* Both believe that the church is like a pyramid
* Both have another ‘Bible’
* Both maintain that Christian scholars do not properly understand the Bible
* Both believe that the Bible is written in code and is a hidden book and a temple
* Both believe in a future life for all humankind, referred to as the new ‘Golden Age’
* Both reject the biblical doctrine of Hell
* Both maintain that a lie is not a lie when one deceives another who is not worthy of knowing the truth
* Both will be under oath to protect members
* Both emphasize the need for continuing revelation
* Both maintain an exclusiveness to truth
* Both appeal to human reason, to mysteries, and hidden knowledge
* Both, while appealing to reason, feel no compunction in regards to historical facts, no matter how sound the historical evidence might be against their chosen view
* Both are fascinated by numbers, assigning special and cryptic meanings to them
* Both believe that God uses orders (ranks), degrees and (secret) oaths
* Both believe that Abraham and Melchizedek had progressed to a high degree in God’s order
* Both believe that God built the Great Pyramid
* Both are interested in Egyptology
* Both fail to understand the biblical teaching on the atonement of Christ
* Both believe in salvation by works
* Both disregard the need for New Birth
* Both use Masonic buzz words and symbols
* Both regard the Catholic Church as Babylon the Great
* Both maintained that the blacks (sic) were inferior to whites (sic)
* Both met in Masonic Halls

The article continues: “Keep in mind that these comparisons are with the thoughts of Pastor Russell and hence many are no longer applicable to the Watchtower Society of today.”

Here we have more evidence of a man-made organisation.

Food for thought?

The complete article can be obtained from e-mail: fichrist@pnc.com.au

URL: http://www.pnc.com.au/~fichrist


Cheers,
Ozzie

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TERTULLIAN, Adversus Valentinianos
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KentRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Hmmmm. Fritz Springmeier isn't a person I will trust all that much. I guess he's got plenty of time now. He's in jail for drugs, isn't he?

Yakki Da

Kent

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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Great post Ozzie,

More facts about the origin of the RELIGON "We're Jehovah's Witnesses".

They cannot deny most of the early and current teaching's were in fact based on these idea's.

Researching the origin's of one's belief, can shed a completely different light, on one's current 'faith'.

Thanks for the reference.

Danny
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uncle_onionRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
I have read that book and 99% of it is "well we can suppose" and "therefore we can presume"... It is all based on presumptions. He makes the point that most Masons have been catologued but CTR has never been listed as a Mason. It did not convince me.It was a good theory but did not hold any weight when the "evidence" is scrutinised.we should be interested in facts not fiction.

UO
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Where does Ozzie say that this info, supports the idea that CT was in fact a Mason?

Read before you critique.

DB
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MulanRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Hasn't this subject been pretty well exhausted on this forum?

No proof, just mis quotes, and no evidence.

Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
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ozziepostRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Thanks DB,

For uncle_onion's benefit:
parallels between the things that C T Russell believed and those taught by the Masons

Cheers,
Ozzie

"So often, the unpolished
the disjointed
Is on its way to the truth
Ahead of the finished
the polished."

Ken Walsh, Sometimes I Weep
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uncle_onionRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Danny bear

If you read my post again, I am not talking about what Ozzie said but I am talking about the book that he is quoting from.

Take some of your own advice and "read before you critique".

BTW have you or Ozzie read the book in question?

UO
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ozziepostRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
G'day uncle_onion,

We shouldn't need a book to tell us what either Russell or the Masons teach. That'd be like 'shooting the messenger'.

If we're Dubs or even exJDubs we probably know more of Russell's teachings than the Masons, but even so, we can verify Russell's teachings in the list quoted. How about the Masosn? Personally I can't claim that background, but the accuracy looks worth a try, don't you think?

Cheers,
Ozzie

"So often, the unpolished
the disjointed
Is on its way to the truth
Ahead of the finished
the polished."

Ken Walsh, Sometimes I Weep
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ozzie,

Once again the self proclaimed learned among us, must get their little digs in.....they won't allow anyone even a direct quote, from any source, THEY have decided is not worth consideration.

Bullshit!

Thank you

Danny
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KentRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Hi uncle_onion

If you read my post again, I am not talking about what Ozzie said but I am talking about the book that he is quoting from.

Take some of your own advice and "read before you critique".

You can't expect too much from DannyBear. He's a bit, what shall I say:

1. A few fries short of a happy meal.
2. The wheel is spinning but the hamster is dead.
3. A few bricks shy of a full load.
4. Couldn't pour water out of a boot with the instructions on the heel.
5. Fell out of the stupid tree and hit all of the branches on the way down.
6. Doesn't have all his dogs on one leash.
7. Doesn't know much, but leads the league in nostril hair.
8. Elevator doesn't go all the way to the top floor.
9. Forgot to pay his brain bill.
10. A few clowns short of a circus.
11. If he had another brain it would be lonely.
12. Too much yardage between the goal posts.
13. An expirement in Artificial Stupidity.
14. A few beers short of a six-pack.
15. Dumber than a box of hair.
16. A few peas short of a casserole.
17. Doesn't have all his corn flakes in one bowl.
18. One fruit loop shy of a full bowl.
19. One taco short of a combination plate.
20. A few feathers short of a whole duck.
21. All foam no beer.
22. The cheese slid off of his cracker.
23. Body by Fisher, brains by Mattel.
24. Has an IQ of 2, but it takes 3 to grunt.
25. Warning: objects in mirror are dumber than they appear.
26. An intellect rivaled only by garden tools.
27. As smart as bait.
28. Chimney's clogged.
29. Her sewing machine is out of thread.
30. His antenna doesn't get all of the channels.
31. Missing a few buttons on the remote control.
32. No grain in the silo.
33. Proof that evolution CAN go in reverse.
34. His belt doesn't go through all the loops.
35. Receiver is off the hook.
36. Several nuts short of a full pouch.
37. Skylight leaks a little.
38. Slinky's kinked.
39. Surfing in Nebraska.
40. In the pinball game of life, his flippers are a little too far apart.

I believe that about cover my impression of him. LOL

Yakki Da

Kent

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uncle_onionRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ozziepost

I dont want to get into an arguement about this. If you read the book you will see that FS has an idea in his head and he clutches at straws to try and "prove" it. I think the WTS has a lot to answer for and I personally can not wait to see their downfall but I am only interested in facts and I am 100% convinced that CTR was not a mason.You may feel different but we all have choices. There may be similiarities but that is what they are...similarities. How about reading the book and checking the info in it and THEN make a decision for yourself?

Danny bear

You obviously have a problem when people disagree with you.

I would be interested as to when I have said that I am a self proclaimed scholar? Perhaps you can remind me.

UO
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ah Kent?,

I thought you had put me on your Shun list. What you doing reading my posts, you so arrogantly implied were not worth reading?

Thanks for still paying attention, I appreciate that.

TeddyBear
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ps Kent,

I really like #23...I just purchased a brand new Chevrolet 1500 extended cab pickup..fully loaded, with leather seating. I like 'body by Fisher' and Mattel Toys have produced some pretty incredible stuff..big money in them thar toys.

Enjoyed the entire list. Thanks.

Teddy
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ozzie,

You know what is really a the joke about these self proclaimed 'literary critics'.....not one of them have ever, introduced their own PUBLISHED works to defend or imply anything they may happen to rail against.

It just so happens FS must have done enough research to convince some publishing house, that what he had to say, deserved consideration..he did just that...they printed and distributed his book.

So all you self promoting, ego maniancs, with a little 2cents of opinion, think about that before you go casting ass'perstions on what someone may decide is credible to consider, or not.

BearAss
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Ps and one more item for your consideration:

You wise and intellectual foolish ones, need to check your agenda's.

If you are in fact here to expose the WTBS falsehood's. Then don't so cavalierly dismiss someone's thought's....directly related to revealing the origin's of this insipid religon. Let people make up their own minds, weather this material is founded or not. You degrade the whole effort, by using broad brush strokes of criticism. Why not instead point to the NUMBERED issues in FS's list, and let us know why YOU think he was wrong.

Now, wouldn't that go further than just spouting off your, 2cents.

I think any lurker's here, are smart enough to know, if your arguments make sense or not. Give it a try, it will really be a refreshing change>

BearSense
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KentRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
It just so happens FS must have done enough research to convince some publishing house, that what he had to say, deserved consideration..he did just that...they printed and distributed his book.

So all you self promoting, ego maniancs, with a little 2cents of opinion, think about that before you go casting ass'perstions on what someone may decide is credible to consider, or not.

You're even more stupid than I imagined, DB. "some publishing house" have published it - then it's OK. ROTFL. Can you manage to open the door all by yourself?

Yakki Da

Kent

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http://www.pressanykey.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/pak/jquiz.cgi

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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Kent,

Yeah Kent I can. The door to my new truck opens very easily. Smooth and smell new....I take alot of pride in the ability. Paid cash for it to Kent, somehow this dumbass American, is doing just fine.

What have you done lately?

Danny
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LarsguyRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
Thanks for this post. Biblically speaking, since the JWs are the "temple" organization, it was prophesied that they would be infiltrated with "weeds", an allegorical reference to the "mysteries" and thus Freemasonry within the witness organization.

Also, since Freemasonry is linked with Babylon the Great, the admonition to "get out of her my people" would indicate not a few JWs would be secret, practicing Freemasons. Of course, Jehovah expects them to be free from this cultic connection in order to get into the kingdom.

LG
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DannyBearRe: The Watchtower and the Masons
What's amatter Kent, no more cheap shot list's. Tounge tied you "Neanderthal". (courtesy Uncle Bruce..i like it..describes this Norwegian brute just fine)

DB
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