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VM44Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?


Rutherford ruled the Watchtower organization from 1916 to 1942, traveled extensively, had several residences, most notably, Beth Sarim. But absent always was his wife, Mary, not to mention his son, Malcolm as well.

OK, Rutherford was so well known, why did no one inquire about his son and wife?

When Rutherford resided at Beth Sarim in San Diego, why was his wife not there with him? (She lived in California)

Did his wife or son ever communicate with Rutherford? Did Rutherford ever communicate with his wife or son?

There is no indication that Rutherford even visited, or was visited, by either his wife or son.
When he died, neither attended his funeral (as far as I know)

Mary and Malcolm never said anything about Rutherford, strange considering the influence "The Judge" had over so many people over so many years.

Was their silence bought? perhaps with money?

So what is the deal? There is something important here about Rutherford that is still an uncovered secret after all these years.

Is there anyone left alive who would know?

There must be someone here who would know where the answer could be obtained.

The answer must be found!

--VM44
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RRRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
I know ... but you'll have to wait for the book.
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VM44Re: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Hi RR,

What book?

When will it be published?

How about just a little info?

--VM44
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LeolaiaRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

I have a full subscription to ancestry.com, so I thought I'd try to find some more information.  Now according to this article (http://www. geocities.com/paulblizard/myears.html), Mary Rutherford died "on or about December 17, 1962 in California".  So the first logical thing to do was to check the California Death Index.  There I found the following listed:
RUTHERFORD, MARY M 17 Dec 1962 LOS ANGELES FEMALE 17 Aug 1869 MISSOURI

So we now know a few new things we didn't know before.  One is that Rutherford's wife was born on 17 August 1869 in Missouri.  The other thing is that she resided specifically in Los Angeles, not San Diego (where Beth Sarim was located).  Missouri is the same state that "Judge" Rutherford hailed from, and interestingly his birthdate was 8 November 1869 (according to the article cited above), which made Mary a few months older than him, but basically they were the same age.

With the new information, I was able to refine my search to find more accurate information on Mary Rutherford.   Next I was able to check the 1930 census where I found her listing in the ennumeration list:
Name: Mary M Rutherford
Age: 61
Estimated birth year: 1868-1869
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head-of-house: Head
Race: White
Home in 1930: Monrovia, Los Angeles, California

Now we know specifically that she lived in Monrovia, Los Angeles, (at least in 1930) and that she was the head of her own household.  That fits with the fact that she was separated from "Judge" Rutherford. 

The census next gives information on her home status.  It says that she owned her own house, her house was valued at $5000, and her house included a radio set.  Next, her marital condition was listed as "Married".  Then it says that her age when she was first married was 21.  This means that she married Rutherford in 1890.  By extension, we now know that J. F. Rutherford likewise married when he was the same age.  Next the census listed her father as having been born in Germany and her mother as having been born in France.  Next, when asked if she had an occupation, Mary replied, "None".  That is interesting.  What was the source of her income? 

Finally, the census gave her address.  She lived at 160 N. Primrose Avenue, Monrovia, Los Angeles, CA.

I downloaded a copy of the census page, if anyone wants it.

I could check more on her later, but that's what I have now.  The best thing, I think, is to find an obituary from 1962 that might give more details about her life.

 
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FarkelRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
: Did his wife or son ever communicate with Rutherford? Did Rutherford ever communicate with his wife or son?

The society has tried to whitewash that relationship by saying that Mary was very ill. We know that Malcolm was not a dub and that he even spent time in the military. I've read that Mary was very bitter towards her husband, and Malcolm had nothing to do with him.

There is some evidence that Rutherford was a philanderer. AlanF posted evidence about that.

It is also true that neither Mary nor Malcolm attended old Joe's funeral. In fact only FOUR people attended the funeral of this so-called "world Bible expert." Knorr and Franz did not even bother to attend his funeral.

Farkel
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BalsamRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

I have varing stories about her and Rutherford's son.  I heard that she didn't live with him after he became president of the WTB&TS perhaps sooner.  Heard she died a faithful JW.  Don't know the son's name but he wanted nothing to do with the WTS or his Father from something I read or was told.  That he became a homeless person riding the train rails I think.  How much of this is true.  It was throught that Rutherford never spoke of his wife or saw her.  Why I don't know.  I bet the WTS supported her till her death though.  But this is all speculation based on what I have heard or read. 

Wouldn't it be great if someone could give us the scoop on all of them.

Ruth
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Lady LeeRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
In fact only FOUR people attended the funeral of this so-called "world Bible expert." Knorr and Franz did not even bother to attend his funeral.

 

For someone who was so "important" or thought he was so important they sure didn't take long to forget him

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ohiocowboyRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Malcolm C. Rutherford was born on Nov. 10, 1892, and died on June 22, 1989, and lived in Arcadia, California-(Los Angelos).

That is allI have been able to dig up on him. Would love to find out more info.
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run dont walkRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

there is very little info, mostly hearsay

I too had heard that his son wanted nothing to do with the jw crap, and lived with his mom for a while,

I have also heard that they (the Watchtower), don't even know where Rutherford is buried, I have heard somewhere in New York State, I have heard at Beth Sarim, and i also heard he was cremated and ashes dumped on Beth Sarim, ANYONE KNOW FOR SURE ????
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VM44Re: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
In fact only FOUR people attended the funeral of this so-called "world Bible expert." Knorr and Franz did not even bother to attend his funeral.

All indications are that nobody could stand being around Rutherford!

There was talk even of some congregations (companies then) signing a "loyalty" oath to Brother Rutherford. This was during the time of the Moyle trial.

In 1929, 13 years into his reign, Beth Sarim was built, to get Rutherford away from Brooklyn, he was interferring too much in the operations!

What was it about him that he could have a following of a large number of witnesses, but those who worked with him and knew him wanted him to go away?

But still, no one would speak out or say anything against him, either then, or now.

Leolaia, that is some great research you did. I would like a copy of that census page.

--VM44
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VM44Re: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Rutherford's son, Malcolm, was a lawyer.

--VM44
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BeelzeDubRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Mary's early years.

Mary was the only child of a Dr. John Fetzer from Cooper county Missouri. Her father was a surgeon in the 5th regiment of the Union Army. John Fetzer experienced partial deafness during the war that his wife received a pension for. Mary's father died in 1884 of Brights disease, so he likely never had the wonderful priveledge of meeting Rutherford. She was raised in Cooper county MO, about 40 miles from where Rutherford was born and raised in Morgan county. John Fetzer built several buisnesses on Main street in the heart of town before his death. Being an only child, she may have lived off some inheratence from her mother, however that is speculation on my part. Maybe I will research a will from her mother and see if there was one.

Mary and Rutherford were married in 1890.

Ohio C
 Malcolm C. Rutherford was born on Nov. 10, 1892, and died on June 22, 1989, and lived in Arcadia, California-(Los Angelos).

 Where did you find that info?  I thought that I saw Malcolm listed as less than 1 year old in the 1890 census record.  I will take a second look later.  

RR Do you know where Rutherford went to school?

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VM44Re: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Rutherford went to school to learn court stenography.

His training in law was obtained on the job working in a lawyer's office.

He became a lawyer by passing an oral exam given by a group of lawyers.

Later, Rutherford filled in for a judge total of four (4) days. Some days he filled in there wasn't even any cases. From that little experience he took on the title "Judge" which he used the rest of his life. (Does the word "Pompose" come to mind?)

It is interesting to see how the Watchtower now refers to Rutherford being called affectionately "Judge" while back then at the time he was living, the WT used the title extensively in promoting his lectures and books. ("Hear JUDGE RUTHERFORD Speak Tonight!")

Does anyone remember which poster here at JWD was writing the Rutherford biography?

--VM44
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LeolaiaRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

BeelzeDub....That info confirms what I independently found in the 1930 census, that Mary Rutherford was first married in 1890. VM...If you send me a PM with your email, I'll send the gif image as an attachment. ohiocowboy....Thanks for the lead...I should be able to find more info, especially if Malcolm was a professional.

Another interesting thing about the 1930 census is that her next-door neighbors, the Swains (Mr. Roy A. Swain and Mrs. Carolyn R. Swain, with 4 children), were from Missouri and New York. Roy himself was from Missouri and his wife Carolyn was born in New York, and the four children were born in New York. So, like J. F. Rutherford himself (and probably Mary), Roy Swain moved from Missouri to New York, and like Mary Rutherford moved to live in Monrovia, Los Angeles. I wonder if the Swains were friends of Mary or were fellow Bible Students. Anyone know anything about the Swains?

I also found Mary's listing in the 1920 census. The copy is less legible so I can't read the age very accurately but it doesn't give her middle initial, but the listing does indicate the father as German and the mother as French, so I think it is the same person. In this earlier census, her address is given as something like 1256 N. Eastlake Avenue, but the copy is so illegible it is hard to tell what the numbers are supposed to be. But it is pretty clear that the address is "Eastlake" and not "Primrose". Might have the street changed its name?

On edit: I found Roy A. Swain's obituary here.  It says that he died in 1939 at his home in Monrovia, and that he married Miss Carolyn G. Yost in New York City in 1906.  Anyway, it looks like they were probably not associated with the Watchtower.....it says that the Swains left New York in 1908 to Newton Falls where Mr. Swain had a position with the Newton Falls Paper Co., and then moved to Los Angeles by 1910 to become superintendent of the Cylinder Paper Co., only to then move to Illinois and then back to California in 1916.  Since 1921 he was the West Coast representative for the L. L. Brown Paper Co.  Nothing about his religion, but it looks like he moved around because of business.  I wonder where the WTS got their paper from, but anyway it looks like the Swain's association with Missouri and New York might be a coincidence....

 
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amacRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

VM44 -
Later, Rutherford filled in for a judge total of four (4) days. Some days he filled in there wasn't even any cases. From that little experience he took on the title "Judge" which he used the rest of his life. (Does the word "Pompose" come to mind?)
Can you say where you got this information from? I would love to be able to show this to JW's...but as we all know, anything posted on a JW apostate board is all lies...
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GermanXJW  Re: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
Fascinating info, Leolaia.
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ohiocowboyRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
Malcolm is listed in the Social Security death records, and shows his date of birth, death, and city and county of his last SS benefit, along with his SS number.
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BeelzeDubLater, Rutherford filled in foRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
Later, Rutherford filled in for a judge total of four (4) days. Some days he filled in there wasn't even any cases. From that little experience he took on the title "Judge" which he used the rest of his life. (Does the word "Pompose" come to mind?)
I just love how the WTS, obscures that fact in their history book by calling him a "Special Judge"  What exactly is a "Special Judge"?  Does that mean he got to wear one of those funny looking helmets?
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blondieRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?
I think Malcolm had a son named Paul.
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LeolaiaRe: Rutherford's wife, why the info blackout?

Okay, I found a listing in the 1910 census for a "Mary Rutherford" born in 1869, living in the Los Angeles area (i.e. Long Beach), but I have no idea if it is the same person because there is no index for the 1910 census to the actual individual entries:
Name: Mary Rutherford Age in 1910: 40 Estimated Birth Year: 1869 Home in 1910: 1-WD LONG BEACH, LOS ANGELES, California Race: White Gender: Female Series: T624 Roll: 85 Part: 2 Page: 41B Year: 1910

I also checked the 1880 census for Missouri and found the entry on the Fetzers. Mary's father is listed as John Fetzer, aged 55 (thus born in 1825). John Fetzer's occupation is listed as "physician," and his place of birth is stated as Westerberg, Germany. This neatly confirms what the later California census data stated, that Mary Rutherford's father was a native of Germany. John Fetzer's wife was listed as Mary Fetzer, aged 44, with her occupation stated as "keeping house". Mary's birthplace is given as Hannover, Germany. Interestingly, Mary declared in later censuses that her mother was from France. I'm not sure if this is accounted for by a post-WWI change in borders and if Hanover at one point was part of Belgium. The single child of the Fetzers was named as "Mary Fetzer," who was born in Missouri and whose age was given as 11. The Fetzers also had a live-in servant named Hannah Prigg, aged 18, and they all lived in Rolla, Phelps, Missouri.

Meanwhile, I found a listing for "Joseph Rutherford," aged 11, resident of Haw Creek, Morgan, Missouri. Looks like he grew up in a big family. His father is listed as James Rutherford, aged 43, whose occupation was listed as "farmer". James Rutherford was born in Michner, Tennessee. Joseph's mother was named "Lanora Rutherford," aged 37, who was born in Senneku, Tennessee. Her occupation was "keeping house". They had 7 children (!). The oldest child was Virginia (sp.?), aged 20, who was employed as a school teacher. The next two oldest children were also girls, Anna (aged 19) and Salena (aged 17). Hmmm, does it sound like the Rutherfords were trying hard to have a son? The next oldest children were William, aged 15, and Florence, aged 13. Then, finally, do we come to Joseph, aged 11. But he wasn't the youngest child. Well, for much of his young life he was, but the Rutherfords had one last son, Berkie (sp?), who was aged 4 at the time of the census. No other occupation was given for the other children, except for William who was stated as "works on farm".

I have copies of each of these censuses.

On edit: The 1870 census lists a "Mary Fetzer" from Hannover, Germany living in Boonville, Cooper, Missouri. Cooper is the county that BeelzeDub gave as where little Mary was raised. It looks like it might be more accurate to say that Mary was born in Cooper county and then moved before the age of 11 to Rolla in Phelps County. The 1870 census also states that mother Mary was married to a physician named John Fetzer who was born in Wirtemberg, Germany. John Fetzer appears to have been somewhat wealthy; the value of his real estate was $15,000 and the value of his personal estate was $300. Mary Rutherford also appears to have had several siblings, such as Anna (aged 16), a brother F. (aged 15), a sister M. (aged 10/12), and a brother R. (aged 4). Little Mary would've been an infant at the time of this census so she wasn't counted.

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