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Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion

The one thing we all complain about from our days in the organization is the lack of compassion the Elders had for those who slipped up, and the lack of compassion of the brothers and sisters toward each other or those who were disfellowshipped. They have a real tendency to shoot the wounded! It reminds me of the following story.

As the crew of the whaling boat begins reeling in the whale they had just harpooned, they spotted a couple shark fins. They know if they don't quickly host the whale out of the water, they will be inundated with sharks. Soon enough, dozens of sharks were frothing the water. With their eyes rolled back, the sharks began taking bites out of the whale.

The whaling crew desperately tries to save their catch. They begin beating the sharks off with paddles and hooking rods. Although they are able to injure several sharks, they still lost 1/3 of the whale. The ironic thing was, during this feeding frenzy, the sharks started attacking the other injured sharks. Unfortunately, this savage behavior is typical of many people. Instead of trying to help and provide first aid to a person who is in distress, they attack them.

Most of us have struggled through times of great injustice, lack of friendships, great loneliness, and lack of compassion. We have experienced this throughout our lives, especially if we have been in a cult. We have experienced how easy it is to turn off the flow of compassion, a little pride, a little selfishness, a little envy, a little unforgiveness, or a little fear; and compassion is stopped. Anything that causes us to feel offended shuts down compassion.

There is not a person on earth that you can't have compassion for. We are all fragile, vulnerable, and weak. We are all struggling with problems, our pride threatens to destroy us and we are only temporary on earth. The key is to look for something in the person or about the person to have compassion for. We all need compassion and we all need to give compassion.

Results of compassion are mercy, kindness, forgiveness, courtesy, patience, truth, optimism, endurance, esteem, and everything good. Results of the lack of compassion are pride, selfishness, unforgiveness, impatience, deceit, envy, hate, and everything destructive.

We can all recall which we saw most of in the organization.

When we realize that we have been taught this lack of compassion, we find ourselves having to learn or relearn what it is and how to apply it. Often we don't immediately realise that we still have this problem lingering in our makeup. We may continue to show lack of compassion toward those with whom we disagree or those who may have caused offence without realizing we are still acting according to our training in the organization. So how do we change this in our lives?

How compassionate do you consider yourself? How many times have you really tried to support a person you have openly criticized? Compassion is a genuine distress over another person's suffering accompanied by a firm desire to relieve that suffering (and then to actually relieve it if possible). Compassion involves a gut-level, emotional response to another's hurt followed by a desire to relieve the person of that hurt.

Compassion occurs when we walk a mile in the shoes of another. The original meaning of 'compassion' is 'to suffer together'. If you really begin to understand the pain and fear of another human being, your heart will open towards him or her, even if only just a tiny bit. The difficulty is that when we are in the grip of anger, we are too busy defending ourselves and sniping back to take a look at the suffering of another.

Compassion requires that we approach each moment with an open-heart. Express tenderness. Be sensitive to people's needs. Touch the sadness of someone hurting. Embrace one another with kindness. Reach out your hand to despair. Listen earnestly to the words of the distressed. Help a suffering heart. Guide the unfortunate. Offer suggestions to ease the pain. Create a solution. Then, promote your solution.

When we come to the place in our lives where we identify with those who hurt, then we have taken the first step toward compassion. Compassion begins when we realize that we are all together in our brokenness and need. Compassion begins with identification.

Recently I heard about an interesting "compassion test". The students had to write a report about compassion. The morning the report was due, the teacher had a friend dress up like a person who had be beaten and robbed. He had ripped clothing, fake blood, etc. The teacher had the victim lie near the pathway where most of the students would walk to class. Surprisingly, all walked past this person and offered no help. Obviously, there is a big difference between knowing what we should do and actually doing it.

It is the condescending attitude of some that saddens me the most. We are quick to point the finger at others when they make mistakes, but we seldom see our own glaring faults. It is almost as if some people don't realize we are all made out of the same cookie dough and are just as capable of doing the same thing. How loyal would your friends be if your secret faults were published on the front page of a newspaper? Worse yet, what would happen if your thought life were published?

We are more concerned about other people's misbehavior than our own. An incident that recently took place in my neighborhood provides an excellent example of this. Several neighbors signed a petition demanding to have our streets patrolled for speeders. I found it comical when three of the people who signed the petition received speeding tickets as a result. It was even more comical, however, that these three people had the audacity to try to convince the officer not to give them tickets because they were the ones who signed the petition.

During the Revolutionary War, some American commanders realized it was better to only wound the British soldiers instead of trying to kill them. This strategy would take three British soldiers out of service because two healthy British soldiers would stop fighting and carry their fallen comrade to get medical attention. This special care is what you would expect from those who are concerned about the welfare of their comrades. While diverting so much attention to the wounded soldiers may not be the most efficient military strategy, it does tell you a great deal about the character of these people.

While it is easy for us to feel compassion for a wounded military soldier, it is much more difficult for us to feel compassion for our wounded. The reason for this is that they usually does not appear helpless and in need. Sometimes our wounded comes across as being powerful.

It is easy to support the person who realizes he needs it. It is much more difficult to support someone who gives the impression they are OK. Nevertheless, he still needs our help. Chances are he will not be open to any verbal help, so we must provide the needed support other ways. It is important to understand that supporting our wounded does not mean ignoring the problem. It is also important to understand that our goal must be support, not punishment. This may be very difficult to do if the person has deeply hurt us. Nevertheless, we must care for him as though we were caring for ourselves. Once we find ourselves doing this we know that we have finally overcome what we were trained to do in the organization.

JanG
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TinaRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Now we're not compassionate enough eh?
You've learned your lesson well from the wts Jan.
How to emotionally beat on your bros and sis....do more more more!
You dont really know how many of us help others. We dont go around the boards bragging about it.
The fact that someone makes the time to post a topic is usually help itself!
What is this fanatacism with you?
You are determined to shove it down our throats arent you?
"How to Help MY Way"......
Most everyone does what they can ,when they can.
Unable to help your daughter,you seem to overcompensate with others. Or are you addicted to this behavior?
I dont know,I wonder.
I mentioned once before that you needed help yourself.....Im still of the same mind......and dont give me that line that you're just fine......
If you'd back off and stop cramming stuff like this in our faces,you'd probably get more positive feedback than you do.
And do get rid of that word "MUST" Nobody MUST do anything. I shall reiterate,we do what we can when we can...no "MUSTS" involved.
Im not going to read anymore of your posts. You're just too watchtowerish and fanatical. Tina
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EnglishmanRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Jang,

I've always known that I am a good friend to have in times of trouble, it's also ingrained in my nature to protect and defend. That's probably how I would describe my view of the term compassionate.

Sometimes compassion can be extended too far and for too long. Eventually the cared for one can form a dependency upon the carer. When the carer is no longer able to continue with unremitting support, the weaker one will often turn on the carer and make them the focus of their problems.

Englishman.

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.
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MagdaleenRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
jang, thanks for the post and the thoughts it contained. i personally found it very informative and thought provoking.

ps. it's obvious tina is having another bad wig day, he really should go out and buy another one.
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JangRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Tina - what is with you?

This article has been posted on the other boards and is being sent out to my list.

This is a problem we often have Tina just as we have a problem with perfectionsim .... and both can make for a miserable life ....

And you want to bring up my daughter eh ....

You have just shown you have a problem with compassion!

YOU KNOW BLOODY NOTHING ABOUT IT SO SHUT UP![>:(]

JanG
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JangRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Englishman:
Sometimes compassion can be extended too far and for too long. Eventually the cared for one can form a dependency upon the carer. When the carer is no longer able to continue with unremitting support, the weaker one will often turn on the carer and make them the focus of their problems.

That wouldn't be compassion though. It would be co-dependency because the carer then has no compassion for themselves.

True compassion will lead the cared one on to wholeness. The idea is restoration to good health, phsyically, emotionally and spiritually.


JanG
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RoamingfelineRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Jan,

Although I agree with SOME of what you posted, Ifeel the way that it is being used is not correct, imho. Given the postings lately and what has been going on with H20 and your stand on it, I feel this post is there to be used like the old WTBTS guilt routine. They were masters at it, and I honestly feel your post is along the same lines.

Sometimes when you're long-windedly telling people to pull the rafter out of their own eye before they try to pull it out of someone else's, you're being guilty of the same thing you're accusing others of. Think about it.

Regards,
RCat
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JangRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
RF ....

I didn't post it for that reason ...... it has been sitting waiting for the last month and since it was going out e-mail I did them all at the same time - which is what I usually do.

Also, it isn't posted for the oldies but for the newbies .....like most of the articles I post.



JanG
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RoamingfelineRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Well, I'm not here to be your judge, and it very well could be as you say, but I would be very careful next time I post something like this, that things happening in the forum are not such that your intent is likely to be taken negatively by the majority. Because that is what appears to me to have happened. Feelings are a bit raw right now, and this is having the effect of salt, apparently.

Regards,
RCat
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outnfreeRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
JanG,

If it's meant for the newbies, then maybe they, being more likely to have raw, emotional pain on the surface of their psyches, might feel WORSE after reading it than better.

It is the condescending attitude of some that saddens me the most. We are quick to point the finger at others when they make mistakes, but we seldom see our own glaring faults.

Often we don't immediately realise that we still have this problem lingering in our makeup. We may continue to show lack of compassion toward those with whom we disagree or those who may have caused offence without realizing we are still acting according to our training in the organization.

I'm sorry, JanG, but I, too, feel that your post resembles WTBTS guilt-mongering tactics and is burdensome rather than uplifting (as I'm sure you meant it to be).

outnfree
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TinaRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Jan,What's with YOU? You're using manipulative emotional tactics now!
Where's YOUR compassion,let alone ethics.

I am very sorry about your daughter.Mentioning that family dynamic was not uncompassionate,on the contrary I mentioned that as a possible reason for what you do .If you dont want it mentioned,dont publicy post your problems then.

After all you have written publicly about it here.
I have no problem with compassion. You may want to look at yourself before pointing fingers. Anyone who uses wts tactics like you did here has some definite issues. Piss off Queen CoDependent1 right back at ya(and do listen to the trolls like mag-feeds yer ego Jan)
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MagdaleenRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
tina i reckon you oughta try the cousin itt look in a wig, it might help muffle things a little:

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peterstrideRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Please stop fighting!

Not that I want to get into the middle of this...

JanG had something to say and she said it. She didn't call people names, she didn't insult them, she didn't target minorities...

I personally found her post informative, because it reminds us to look at ourselves with a bit more scrutiny. Obviously, some have raw nerves that are easy to get to if they subconciously feel that they are lacking in those qualities being mentioned (especially after being in the Borg), but that's the price we pay for freedom of speech. Would we rather be back in the WTS where anything we said that didn't exactly go along party lines, would be brought to the elders attention? Not me...

I remember, back in the days when I was an active JW, that I would tell others to look at themselves also. Now I realize why I did (and sometimes still do) that. It's because I was lacking certain qualities, and by talking about it/telling others what I felt they should be doing, I was mirroring those things onto them. Sometimes, I was reinforcing it into myself to also do better. Hey, it's part of human nature to accuse others of something that we ourselves are guilty of.

If JanG wrote something about compassion, why not just take it at face value, and not judge? Maybe it's Jan's way of trying to be more compassionate! Let's not judge each other...please.

I like most of the posters here and I keep learning a lot from all of you! Yes, including Tina, outnfree, JanG (just to mention a few from this particular thread) and many many more.

Love & peace,

Peter Stride
Toronto, Canada
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CornerStoneRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Hello Jang,


Excellent post! It really hit home about compassion because of me and my father, (Lord, I don't want to go there!). If he does not drop dead soon I know that I will have to make some attempt at reconsilliation, and thats a hard thing when someone has wounded you so bad from childhood.

But I know that compassion is a lesson taught that does not end. No one can ever say that that they ARE compassionate or that they somehow have ARRIVED at the state of being compassionate. Compassion is a work in progress. Better to let others extoll the virtue of compassion that you have and show than to claim that you have it yourself.

So I think your post was right on the money, and it helped someone, myself. Thanks.

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JangRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
I am very sorry about your daughter.Mentioning that family dynamic was not uncompassionate,on the contrary mentioned that as a possible reason for what you do .If you dont want it mentioned,dont publicy post your problems then.

It was the way you spoke about it Tina!

I have been doing this for years Tina ... LONG BEFORE SOME THERAPIST STUFFED MY DAUGHTER UP! I have been on the internet for 10 years and on the Bulliten Boards until they were taken over by the net. I moderated the Cult Awareness International Forum on the Bulliten Boards for years.

The very fact that I have been able to get past what happened to my family 6 years ago and keep reaching out to others speaks for itself.

So let's put this in context.

I have been doing support for 20 years plus.
I organized the first annual ex's convention in 1981.
I organized them every year until 1993.
At those conventions we have had some well known guests like Randy Watters, Steven Hassan, Charles Trombely, Robert Countess, Robert Morey, etc.
I have been on international forums since I got my first computer and modem in 1987. First the Bulliten Boards and then the internet (before it became popular).

In 1994 my daughter was stuffed up by the therapists .....and at the END of 1994 we learnt what was happening.
6 weeks later my mother had a stroke and became demented (she lived with us) and a week later, on Feb 24th, our 22 month old grand daughter was killed in a car accident. I buried one of my long term foster daughters on May 2nd. A week before my 50th birthday my mother physically attacked me the way she used to when I was a child and I finally had to let her go to others for care on my 50th birthday. A week later one of my oldest friends died.

I could have done one of two things Tina. I could have just hidden under the sheets and said "Stuff the world" or I could learn to deal with it all and get on with life. I chose to do the second.

Because I recognised my emotional state, I took a sabbatical from organizing conventions and doing counselling and concentrated on things like organizing our web page etc. When I was sufficiently healed from the trauma I took up where I left off. That is when I started posting to these forums instead of just lurking.

Tina, I do this because I care about people and I love seeing people grow and become what they were meant to be. Despite what you think, I don't NEED to do it.


JanG
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waitingRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
hey Peter,

Nice to meet you - and thanks for your post. Fine points.

Would we rather be back in the WTS where anything we said that didn't exactly go along party lines, would be brought to the elders attention? Not me...

Not me either. Thought one of the reasons we left was so we could think and speak about all sorts of things.

If JanG wrote something about compassion, why not just take it at face value, and not judge? Maybe it's Jan's way of trying to be more compassionate! Let's not judge each other...please.

Man, as jw's we did some serious judging of others motivation, didn't we? And then the marking and/or "loving correction" wouldn't be far behind.

Hey CornerStone

No one can ever say that that they ARE compassionate or that they somehow have ARRIVED at the state of being compassionate. Compassion is a work in progress.

An interesting thought. Like love, empathy, etc., emotions are fluid.
And what might pass for compassion to you might look like spitefulness to me. "But I was trying to help you, sister, by pointing out what I think are your faults in front of others."

hey jang

I responded to this post over at H20 - some good thoughts. It can be construed to have a motive of conciliation between posters. Or it can be taken at face value. Because we all should be striving for compassion in our lives, even to ourselves.

And I agree, compassion for another human is not subjugating yourself in co-dependency to that person. Just like standing-your-ground doesn't have to mean being an in-your-face-jerk. Wide spectrum of emotions and actions.

I don't understand why people come down so hard on you for doing what you perceive as good work. You did/do/will do more for others than I'll ever accomplish, and you've overcome a tremendous amount of hardship in your life. It's like coming down on a homeless shelter for advertising that they're open and will help strangers. So you speak about things, so what?

Another poster yesterday refused to answer my question about her post because she didn't like my attitude which she took it upon herself to perceive. She thought I was being sarcastic - I thought I was being quite polite. Go figure. I think sometimes you're being judged because of superlative words such as the "must". Doesn't bother me, but it sure seems to pi*s the hell out of other people.

Anything I, or you, say can be taken for face value, or picked apart, or dismissed, for hidden meanings. To predominately look for ulterior motives in another person might make us miss the other person completely.

And that could be perceived as a lack of compassion. At the very least, a lack of empathy, fellow feeling.

Thanks for the information. I need it when dealing with my mother-in-law. She just irritates me to death, and she ain't gonna drop dead soon.....so I guess I'll work on compassion/empathy. Sigh......

waiting
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waitingRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Hello Tina,

Usually you and I stay apart from posting to each other - on my part out of hopeful mutual respect for differences of opinions, at least on my part.

Most everyone does what they can ,when they can.

That's an unprovable statement. I truly believe most people do as little as possible for other people. Volunteering is not a high priority in the usa, at least. There are thousands, perhaps millions, of volunteers, but there are over 240 million of us. Very low ratio actually.

Jw's are known to do as little as possible - in a real, helping way, for other people. But we can sell a trunkload of books to help them. We've not been taught - a lot of us our whole life, how to help mankind. How does an x-jw develop this compassion for their fellow man? Slowly sometimes.

Unable to help your daughter,

That's just downright tacky. I am a survivor, and so is my daughter, and I can relate. I had some young women do that to me on another thread (two different threads actually)- neither of which had absolutely anything to do with rape, etc., bring this up to me - because I sure didn't bring it into the thread. I resented it tremendously. They just didn't like my comments pertinent to the thread. It's not much different than picking apart a speaking Democrat because they're a rape victim, have cancer, whatever. Has nothing to do with the subject.

Tou seem to overcompensate with others. Or are you addicted to this behavior?
I dont know,I wonder.

If you don't know and are wondering, it would seem in good taste and professional courtesy (and you have quite a few times presented yourself as a professional therepist) to keep your wondering to yourself.

I mentioned once before that you needed help yourself.....Im still of the same mind......and dont give me that line that you're just fine......

Again, professional courtesy would seem to behoove you not to blatantly belittle another person - one whom you seem to feel is hurting for many years. Just goes against good taste, imho.

waiting
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TinaRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Hello waiting,
I do disagree with your thoughts.
I am not here in a professional capacity. I never have stated that I am here in any way but'Tina".
So as such I am entitled to my opinion/observation.
I did not see that thinking jang's daughter being a possible motivation in (over)helping others as tacky,but you are entitled to think so.It was in no way belittling,if thats how you saw it...well.
I also didnt see it in bad taste either. Too wonder aloud about possible motivations? Maybe it was bad taste on Jang's part to bring it to the fore publicly. That does put that info in the public domain. If it bothered her,it shows she lacks proper boundaries.

This is a reason I give you wide berth,you do think you know whats 'correct' and proper for all. Our thinking is quite disimilar.
With this,Ill leave it at that. Neither apologizing as I dont feel I did anything to apologize for. You are of course free to skip my posts as I do yours.Tina
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waitingRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
Hello Tina,

As Jan put her daughter into the public domain - you put your professional therepist status in the public domain. I put my background in the same public domain. In fact, many of us have here.

To call a poster's background into the picture on a totally unrelated subject matter is still questionable. Look at Tally's response to COMF for doing the exact same thing - four long threads worth. And Tally was hugged repeatedly, even by you.

As a professional therepist, you know there's hot points for victims/survivors. COMF hit Tally's. You seemingly went for Jan's, as the other women did to me. Since you're not here as a professional therepist, it would seem better for you to not make posts where you wonder and guess at a person's mental health and/or stability.

Take the posts on face value, in other words.

Maybe it was bad taste on Jang's part to bring it to the fore publicly.

Are you suggesting, whether as a professional therepist, or as a compassionate person, that a victim/survivor or their family should keep quiet? On this forum, masturbation, *fisting*, homosexuality, beastiality, rape, sports, nationality and all things in-between have been discussed. Are you suggesting that it's bad taste to speak of real - or imagined - abuse memories?

If it bothered her,it shows she lacks proper boundaries.

It shows that you're saying you're not here as a therepist - but lapse into professional therepist's words at your whim. It does not show that she lacks proper boundaries, imho. If she screamed and tried to rip your head off, or went into a deep depression for weeks, or hurt other persons - then lack of proper boundaries would be suspect.

But to be *bothered* (exact meaning would be in the grey area) would seem to mean that she's human.

It would seem that you, by your initial response to her post were the one lacking proper boundaries, for it seemed to bother you quite a bit.

Whatever happened to live & let live for opinions and posts on an open forum?

waiting
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TinaRe: Shooting the Wounded - A Lack of Compassion
waiting,
I took exception to the manipulative(guilt) string that I and others saw in her post.
No one has said here ,that one can't tell their story. That's what most of us are doing in bits and pieces most of the time.
Whatever people need to talk about they should,no matter the topic. Im all for that. Silence is the killer.
And she did scream at me and tell me to shut up. Again I will say,I thought that was a possible reason she over invests herself.
You said whatever happened to live and let live on opinions here.
Well that includes me as well.
I stated mine,you dont like it,fine. Lets agree to disagree.Tina
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