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jst2lawsWhat is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?


I was a little surprised to learn that many people do not REALLY UNDERSTAND the purpose of JWD. Many are focused on freedom of speech and the fact that this is a "discussion" board. To some this does seem to go against the heavy moderating the board has seen lately, feeling that discussion is suppressed, some going so far as to suggest that mind control is subtly involved here as in the organization.
 
I may be wrong in what I'm about to say, but this is my impression.
 
The purpose of this board is to provide a safe place for Jehovah's Witnesses, former Jehovah's Witnesses and those interested in them to discuss topics related to JW's that can assist them in their discovery and recovery from facing the truth about 'the truth'.
 
This is why I am here, and many have benefited from the approach this board has taken. A young lady last night told me this site 'saved her life'. It is the intent of the owner and moderators of the board to keep this site just such a safe place. We allow for a variety of different subjects not clearly related to JWs and tolerate a certain amount of aberrant comments realizing many here are dealing with serious emotions as they make this journey. Thus the posting guidelines are just guidelines and moderators use their best judgment in dealing with disruptive behavior. That 'best judgment sometimes result in editing posts and from time to time removal of posting privileges of those who disrupt. And I might add none of us are without error in making these judgements.
 
This is understandably offensive to those who are resentful of the abuse of authority they have experienced in the past, as well as those who feel freedom of speech guaranteed in the US means they can say anything they want anywhere they want. I personally apologize for any insensitivity that may have been displayed in the way your difference of opinion was handled. However, it has been demonstrated, I believe, that most here see that unlimited freedom of speech can hurt others, especially the timid JW lurker whom we are hoping to make feel welcome. For this reason JWD will not change, if my perception of it's purpose is valid.
 
While I am asking for your expressions here, this is not going to be a debate about "moderation". This thread is about this being a place to come to learn and share what you have learned, to receive support and to give support as survivors rather than a place to vent your anger, attack your enemies, or assert one's perceived freedom of speech.
 
That's what I think the board is about. What do you think.
 
Steve
 
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rebootRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

I think youre right! When I first left it was because Simons site gave me the confidence to leave with my head held high due to the UN issue.

Looking back this place has been such a life line to me-i'm so happy I found you all.

When I met some of you at Mikes' bbq this year and last  year I really felt we were genuinely pleased to see eachother.

 I feel incredibly  protective of all of you and hope that we'll continue to support eachother. Leaving is a very emotional time- and this place really softened the blow for me and made me feel I had somewhere to come when the feelings got too much for others to understand.

It's given me the confidence back I had before the Org and although I sometimes get the feeling some here don't like me- it  dos'nt matter; i'd do anything for any of you .

The feelings of total and absolute rejection and the anger and frustration when your reasons for leaving are belittled are overwhelming.

To say this place extends a life line is'nt being dramatic- it's what I feel Simon's site has achieved.

 

 
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jst2lawsRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Reboot,

   
To say this place extends a life line is'nt being dramatic

I didn't no it was so hard on you Reboot.  Glad you found what you needed.

Steve
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DanskRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
The purpose of this board is to provide a safe place for Jehovah's Witnesses, former Jehovah's Witnesses and those interested in them to discuss topics related to JW's that can assist them in their discovery and recovery from facing the truth about 'the truth'.
I'd say that's about as good a definition as one is likely to get.
 
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SimonRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

I knew Steve's description of it was going to be better than mine !!

Reboot:
Looking back this place has been such a life line to me-i'm so happy I found you all.

Likewise, people have been such a help to us it's hard to describe.

When I met some of you at Mikes' bbq this year and last  year I really felt we were genuinely pleased to see eachother.

You bet ! We're counting the days till the next meet-up

I feel incredibly  protective of all of you and hope that we'll continue to support eachother.

I think that's the main thing, we're all a big, disjointed, extended family and we can all lean on each other from time to time.
Leaving is a very emotional time- and this place really softened the blow for me and made me feel I had somewhere to come when the feelings got too much for others to understand. It's given me the confidence back I had before the Org and although I sometimes get the feeling some here don't like me- it  dos'nt matter; i'd do anything for any of you .

Awe, we love you and you know we're here for you - anything, anytime. I love it that there are people I can talk to who understand all the emotional baggage of the WTS 'experience' without me having to explain it. Even if we're not talking about JW issues, people have that shared past which colors our emotions and gives us a deep understanding and appreciation for where people are coming from.
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jst2lawsRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Dansk,

Good to see you around again. 

Steve

 

Simon,

Its basically what you have been saying for years. 

Steve

 
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MulanRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
The purpose of this board is to provide a safe place for Jehovah's Witnesses, former Jehovah's Witnesses and those interested in them to discuss topics related to JW's that can assist them in their discovery and recovery from facing the truth about 'the truth'.

Very well put, Steve.

I must say that if there had been crude or worse, language, on this board when I first came here, I would never have come back. 

There was another board that was wonderful for a long time, and then it was gone.  I was so lost without it. This board was pointed out to me, not long after, and we had been out for a few years, but I was still in need of a lifeline.  It provided that for me, and we have met dozens of wonderful new friends too.

I think the moderators do a great job and this board is just the way I like it.  I have visited a few other ex JW boards and think they are just insane, and more importantly almost pornographic.  I know I am a bit of a prude, but someone who has been a religious nut her whole life, is not going to respond well to that kind of stuff.  Namely me.

 
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mouthyRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
Well I guess I had better get off the line..... I believe it is a place to show our true colors. If I am going to have to watch how I walk & watch how I talk I may as well return to the WT...Sorry just2laws. Your postion in the WT is showing. Guess I will say aduios( if i could spell it-Sorry my ornaery self is showing But I believe the HOLY Spirit will guide any who are seeking TRUTH.... I may be wrong about my feeeleings but that is how I feel. Bye
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ValisRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

I didn't know we allowed porpoises on this site! Eh jst2laws..purpose changes I think for everyone and maybe more of a mission or intent should be sought.  Not trying to play word games, just trying to move this train along...

Sincerely,

District Overbeer
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MysteriousRe: Re: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
I love it that there are people I can talk to who understand all the emotional baggage of the WTS 'experience' without me having to explain it. Even if we're not talking about JW issues, people have that shared past which colors our emotions and gives us a deep understanding and appreciation for where people are coming from.
Exactly. The most well meaning worldly friend never quite understands everything, especially things like shunning close family members.
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PoztateRe: Re: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

When I first started to look at this site a flame war started not too soon after. This affected how I viewed the site and also changed how long it took me before I signed up.

I think many other posters would rather have a higher level of moderation than a free wheeling site where anything goes. People that have been hurt by the WT or that are questioning the WT do not need the extra stress of a board that lacks focus and control.

Having said that if enough people wanted more perhaps an "anything goes" category could be created where if people wanted to play rough could go. Any thing said and done there would not be tolerated outside in the rest of the site. This might be easier said than done.

I appreciate they way the site works right now for the benefit of the majority of posters. The work that Simon and the mods do is a balancing act and a thankless job.Having said that....THANK YOU
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jst2lawsRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Hello Mulan,
I have visited a few other ex JW boards and think they are just insane, and more importantly almost pornographic.  I know I am a bit of a prude, but someone who has been a religious nut her whole life, is not going to respond well to that kind of stuff.  Namely me.

I agree with you that this board is for people like you and others leaving the Wt but there is a place for different types of exJW boards.  The other type you describe would surely intimidate a doubting JW but they provide a form of support for others with their unique needs.  Actually I wish they could realize this and we could all work together instead of feeling at odds. 

Steve
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jst2lawsRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Mouthy,

I hope I misunderstand you.  You have NEVER been one to offend.  You are always supportive of those exiting. 

Did I misunderstand what you were saying?

Steve
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MulanRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
The other type you describe would surely intimidate a doubting JW but they provide a form of support for others with their unique needs.
Unique needs is a good way to put it. I don't have that need though. Goofy  And I agree they should have a forum to say what they need to say.





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jst2lawsRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Valis,

Thanks,  but I have them in my computer and they excape once in a while.

 

Mysterious,
especially things like shunning close family members.

Yes, that is a hard one. 

 

Poztate
When I first started to look at this site a flame war started not too soon after. This affected how I viewed the site and also changed how long it took me before I signed up.

Sorry to here that, Poztate, but fully understand.  And differences will occur.  We simply expect those who care about the purpose of the board to take their differences off the board and come back after they have resolve their issues.

Thanks for your comments.

 

Mulan
I don't have that need though. Goofy 

You are cool. 

Steve

 

 
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mouthyRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
No just 2laws You did not misunderstand. MY feeling is when JW get this page. they lurk for awhile see the fights, see the homosexueal, the drinkers , those who enjoy a sexuel joke.....Thats the world.... If they are like I was " A RELIGIOUS FANATIC"  as a JW ---they too would opt off. But there are those who are seeking who >>>>ARE homosexuels, drunks, adulterers, etc. Who cannot afford a "head dr ( cant spell the pshco one) & are hiding in the "lie" they cannot be seen here. So they "spill their guts" Since I believed this was an UNCONDITIONAL site.  No rules on spilling your thoughts ,feelings etc.....But if we are going to put stipulations on what to say how to say it ----I dont want to be a part of it. I have real weidos come to my place - are 'Out" but are ashamed of what they are- were- etc. I tell (them as you have) I wont allow the filthy swearing, but there is nothing they can say that will shock me. at MY age I have heard it all. ( except about the twisting lol) I guess my back went up at MAN again telling me what I can do. Thank you for saying I have never been offensive -but many on line do not agree with you.... Some are SICK of my relationship with Jesus. & have told me so. But I dont mind I am FREE!!!!!! To think what GRACE wants.... I dont want to have to _ becareful I dont stumble someone.... I believe God knows HIS own. & HE will look out for them/.... WE are NOT the herders, just a family (I thought) of rejected people by an organization... Yes my back is still painful & I am ticked.... Sorry to express MY true feelings... Grace
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fearnotruth22Re: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

Very nice Post JST!!!  You express my sentiments. I hoped that such was the puspose of this site, But it is not wish or want or hope, because the founder and host of this Board is the one who has determined the intended purpose of his web site.

I have no animosity whatosever towards the WT or towards anyone, but I am a lover of truth and facts as I am sure many who come here to read the posts and to view links are. I like to see things objectively. The WT cannot be villified for everythin in my opinion But I have found that as soonn as my views do not line up with WT hatred , posters resort to ad hominin, and when I have responded to such attacks with frankness, I am threatened with insuniations that I will not be able to post my views anymore although no action is taken against posters personally naming and insulting individuals such as memembers of the GB, and although I have been insulted and put up with sarccasm and nonsense attacks by poster with no action agains them,, action is taken against me when I respond to individuals who FIRST resort to ad hominim. These events challenge what you say as to the purpose of this board. Certainly, anyone can express their feelings. But if  a person dares to offend and to dish outt then be ready to take it too. That is not the case as posters do dish out also venting animosity unite seeming to allude that they have the web's host backing.and prevent freedom of expression and hence canot take it. If the Wt is right on certain points then so be be it. But if the facts show otherwise, then why be afraid to examine the evidence for yourself and come to your own conclusion. Allow the individual to freely make up up his own mind and to freely express his view. The critical eye that analyses the Wt mag, will also see the deficiency on this board namely that it primarily vents animosity towards the Wt and posters attack individuals that express views which do not line up with such hatred

THis is a great website in my opinion as it is a valuable and informative expository of the WT, but as you have observed, the timid jw will make up his mind on the spot when he sees hatred posted and not objectivity.

All argurmenst as to the intended purpose of the is site are moot because it is the web hos tor or his proxy who determnines the policy and purpose of this board and not the posters.
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ValisRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?

mouthy is the best egrandma ever..and BTW I would show you jello twister anytime..

Sincerely,

District Overbeer
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minimusRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
Just 2 Laws----Steve----I would like to say that you put into beautiful words what Simon should've expressed, a long time ago. Simon, you should add these words or parts of them to the terms of use. Sometimes, people don't understand what appears to be inconsistent boundaries. Your expression makes it simple for anyone to comprehend. btw.....I think Simon  has expressed these thoughts in many different threads but the way you put it, makes it even more comprehendible. You deserve a gold star on your forehead.
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mouthyRe: What is the Purpose of this Site - My personal opinion?
Alright Valis!!! Here I am trying to be real mad. What do you do?????Make me laugh -How can I be "ticked" with you around????
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