Here's something I found on Kent's site just now. I wrote it December last. I didn't know that he purloined it but then again, he purloins lots of stuff, and furthermore I don't save most of what I write. Purloining stuff is not unethical nor is it illegal on the Internet. I've never tried to copyright my stuff because 1) the U.S. Copyright office would say, "You can't copyright drivel!, and 2) I happen to agree with them on that one. So thass ok with me. For those of you who were not H20 regulars here it is for what it's worth. Read and weep about what this religion really is all about:

Will U Cry 4 the Babies?

The Watchtower Printing Corporation has created a serious dilemma for themselves with all of their statements over the decades by stating that only faithful Jehovah's Witnesses (loyal to the ever-changing WTS) and their “unaccountable” children will be saved at Armageddon. “Accountable” children of JW parents (as defined by the Watchtower Printing Corporation) will be toast if they are not baptized and towing the Party line on that fateful day. I know this for a fact, because at the tender age of 12 and after years of indoctrination from the litterachure and the platform I was convinced I was “accountable” because I knew what was in store for me if I didn’t become baptized: I would be worm-fodder because Armageddon was “so close.” I got baptized as a result of that fear. That was forty years ago and I am now a grandfather. Armageddon is "even closer,” though. Phlooooooooot!

Dubs will not generally tell the truth when they are confronted with the question, “Do you believe that ONLY Jehovah’s Witnesses will be saved at Armageddon?” They always come up with some excuse like, “Well, that’s not for us to say. Only Jehovah can read hearts,” even though their literature says exactly the opposite. When a dub makes that excuse and are then further questioned with, “So does that mean you believe that some non-JWs will survive that battle?”, they reply with “Well, that’s not for us to say.” Typical doubletalk.

In recent years the WT magazine has not been so bold in brazenly stating that faithful JWs will be the only ones saved, but they have not officially repudiated their position on it, either. That means it is still “Official Watchtower Policy™” that ONLY loyal dubs are going to make it.

This bothered me even as a child, and especially more so as I was forced to study that masterpiece of child-abuse known as “From Paradise to Paradise Regained,” which was released in 1958. “What about those little innocent and helpless babies?”, I thought. Have you ever asked a dub that question? I have. They are almost cavalier with their typical response, “Well, their parents are accountable for them just as the parents of the Canaanites were accountable for their children.” They say it so coldly, and in such a nonchalant manner. Never have I seen dubs who were asked that question get tears welled up in their eyes and start to cry and grieve over all of that slaughter of children who they believe will have no chance of choice themselves.

Think about this: There will be millions of babies born on that fateful day of Armageddon, eyes not even opened, eager to suckle and take the first breaths of air in their pure, tiny lungs. At the end of the day, these babies and hundreds and hundreds upon millions like them will be fresh corpses, starting to rot and already being consumed by insects and birds. Dubs just don’t seem to CARE about this very real reality in their wacky religious beliefs. Either they are so materialistic and only concerned about saving their own selfish butts and then grabbing the finest cars and homes after the “battle,” or they are so braindead from years of Watchtower indoctrination that they are numb to such carnage and the inherent unfairness of it all. Or both.

I’ve heard some pretty ridiculous “explanations” from dubs who at least attempt to rationalize the insanity of it all. One common one is that these children will be later resurrected. “Then why would God cause them to suffer and die in the first place?”, is my next question. Their answer? “Well, if they all survived Armageddon, there wouldn’t be enough people to take care of them,” is one lame answer they give. “How STUPID is your God that he has to kill hundreds of millions of children because he can’t figure out a way to have them taken care of?”, I ask. “This God made the heavens and the earth, and every living thing. He made millions of super-powerful angels, and millions upon millions of galaxies each of which has billions of stars, he has the ability to make mortals immortal, and he can’t even make baby-sitting arrangements for those children, and has to slaughter them because he can’t figure that part out? That’s not only ridiculous, that’s IDIOTIC!”

It gets worse. What about all the mentally-challenged people, especially severely retarded ones? Will they all get slaughtered because they didn’t understand the dub message of salvation? “Oh, that depends upon their parents, because like children, they are not accountable,” dubs might say. Well, many of these severely retarded people are adults and even very old. Many of their parents have been dead for decades. Are these handicapped people going to get murdered by your God because their parents didn’t accept the dub message decades ago before they died? Is that fair?

What about the millions and millions of infants and toddlers who are in orphanages around the world and the only “parents” they have are the few who administer those orphanages. Are those relatively few administrators responsible for the eternal salvation for the millions and millions of children in their care? If so, is that fair? The children have no say in this. They are helpless and their eternal lives rest upon those administrators buying dub literature and toeing the dub line. Even if some of those administrators DO become dubs, how in the world can they provide Bible studies for the hundred-or-so kids in their care? How can they dress up a hundred kids and haul them to the meetings three times a week? How can they haul a hundred kids around for field service? If they don’t do all of this, according to the WTS, the kids are fried.

Now, if the WTS should ever come out and say, “we believe that others who are not Jehovah’s Witnesses will survive Armageddon,” any reasonable person would say (including reasonable dub), “then WHY IN THE HELL WOULD I EVER WANT TO BE A DUB?”

As I stated at the beginning, the WTS has created quite a dilemma for themselves with the belief that only their followers will be saved. They have not and will not address issues like the ones I’ve brought up because the absurdity of this doctrine will soon come to light. When confronted with the inconvenient and barbaric facts that I’ve mentioned, we can expect this standard answer:

“Trust in Jehovah.”

You bet I will, because I certainly can’t trust your idiotic leaders with ANYTHING.

Farkel

Great post Farkel what can I say, spot on.
From Paradise to Paradise Regained, yeah I think I remember that book, yellow was it?
I have a memory of a picture that could come from that book.
It's armageddon and everything is happening, buildings are coming down in the background and the ground has opened up and people fall in to the huge crack in the ground among them a mother clutching her child as she falls and you can really see the fear in her eyes.
The last time I opened that book was well over twentyfive years ago and I can remember that it used to scare me shitless.
That was good spiritual food for all children, no wonder we never made up any scary stories ourselves we had the watchtower doing it all for us.

THP a-booh

Hi farkel,
Great piece! I remember it,well done!
And I remember the Paradise book very well. It sure produced confusion and nightmares.
I remember when my son was very small,Grandma started studying with him using that book........dumb as I was about other JW 'things',I did tell her and show her what chapters I considered 'off limits' for my boy. SUrprisingly,she agreed(seems she found some of those stories scary as well) Thanks and hugs,Tina

Farkel, that was plastered with your copyright to anyone who's read you.

Any one point you made should be enough for a conscientious JW to revile in horror. Oh well.

A little intelligent examination of their final-solution doctrine really illuminates the degree of thought suppression/dependence necessary among Jehovah's Witnesses. Without that, it would be impossible for them to pitch this stuff from door-door. And yet that is what we all did.

(1) Did we accept it first? Or (2) did we, for some other reason, desire to taut such crap first, and came to believe our own lies later? Mostly it was option (2), in my case.

Was it, "sooner murder an infant in its cot than harbour unacted desires"? (WT:pp666 2002)

I had this discussion with Mormons, a few weeks back, nailed them to the kitchen table, and tickled until they said, "not just Mormons will survive". So of course I asked, "why should I want to be Moronised?" Their answer? (its too good to blurt out, you'll have to wait for it). The Elder, a gangly, big footed boy, obviously going through major physiological changes, called Elder Walsen (wouldn't give his first name), and the other Elder XXX in training (about two years younger) they looked at each other to decide who would field this one. "Well", hand on Book of M, "we believe there are certain exceptional individuals, like Mother Theresa, who will survive even though they aren't Mormons"

"I'm exceptional, thank God for that," says me, "I thought I didn't have a chance!" tollerant smiles from the lads, "So glad I don't have to be a Mormon. And anyway, at thirty-one I'm obviously too old to be an Elder!" They actually laughed at that one. Humanity will out.

philo

((((((((((had enuff))))))))))))))))))
Coming out of the borg is a pretty weepy time. I can't think of anyone who hasn't wept over broken hearts, broken lives,what should have,what could have,the injustices perpetrated.
So many have wept also over the futility of it all,the frustration,the anger. Tears are cleansing..........but know this!
The days of weeping end,and the valor you show thru recovery and taking back your life and mind is indeed,the greatest reward after the tears. Just a small note of encouragement,luv,Tina

Hi Farkel

As you can see, I'm a newbie so I haven't had chance to read your posts before. That's my loss, your argumentation is gorgeous. It also strikes at what is a key issue for a lot of exJWs.

Like most good little JWs I had my doubts about this one since a child, but just shoved it into the box. You know the box, the one that lurkes in the corner, full of your doubts and questions. Trouble is, that box is only so big, then one day the pressure becomes too great and its contents fly out, leaving you with a huge mess and a lot of intense emotion. Thank you for putting it so well. Keep posting Farkekl.

Loki
Not crying so much for the innocents

Farkel or anyone else,

I am having a slight brain cramp.

How does the GB's 1994(5?) change in the sheep and goats doctrine of Matt. 25 affect what you are saying?

hawk

Hi Tina:

That's one of the strongest drawing cards that brings so many of us here and keeps us here....knowing that we are not alone in what we experienced, have felt and are now feeling...just knowing that others understand. That's what makes the tears flow and then helps to dry them up too.

Facing reality is tough for all of us but the helping of each other that I see here, is more than I've seen in my lifetime with the borg. So thanks for your kind words to me and all the others you encourage too.

I now have many more happy days than I've had for a long while...and I know I'll have many more when I see what so many others have gone through and are getting stronger. Reading posts like Farkel's is tough for us new ones and for many longtime outers too, but it's so needed to cut through the sludge in our minds that's been caused by the time we've spent in "robot mode".

Hey somebody:
Maybe we've all wept enough for today. I'm all out of kleenex. Ahhhh...feel better now. At least I think we're alert enough now not to get lulled into being "stepford wives" again.

luv to you guys....Had Enough

Hi somebody,

I am going stupid - I thought the GB changed the sheep & goat stuff. I thought if you were on the outside you are now "goatlike" and not a goat? I am sorry for being stupid but.. I thought this meant that the GB was saying they were not sure who Jesus was going to choose as sheep and goats but if you belong to the WT you would definitely be a sheep. So my question is if the GB ain't so sure who is a goat then does this mean the GB is also saying they don't know who is going to bite it during the big A?

hawk