A moderator is not always someone who makes judgements or censors ...moderator = chairman = conciliator = moderatorSimon has the role of moderator on this board and has called for others .... Tishie moderates her board .....H2O has moderators .... and the above is the role they will be playing from now on as I understand it ..... Just as meetings need to be chaired to keep things moving smoothly so do meeting places like this .....I have been moderating e-mails lists and previously Bulliten Boards for about 10 years now and only rarely have I had to step in and then only because the person has deliberatly violated the guidelines. On the ex-cult-support list I have only had to ban two people and they were cult members who snuck on with lies and then went all out to attack participants .... Since it is a private and protected list I had to do that.This is how I believe the new H2O will be ..... moderators will be basically educating newbies to the system to post in the right areas e.g. Fundies in the forum made just for them - and their posts when put in the other areas will be moved to the right area rather than be deleted ..... so that means the non-trinitarians and trinitarians can have a good debate without annoying anyone else ... same goes for the evolution-creation debates .....If we can get past the censorship model of moderatorship and see them as being chairpersons and conciliators (when necessary cause there is always a little rough stuff from time to time) then we can make sure that all three boards that are operating now will be havens for those seeking informaiton and friendship and a place to talk openly and safely about their WTS experience.JanG
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| Jang | What is a Moderator? | |
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| Farkel | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
: e.g. Fundies in the forum made just for them - and their posts when put in the other areas will be moved to the right area rather than be deleted Now that is a GREAT idea, Jan! (That means Bibleman will have his own PRIVATE forum where only he will be able to post. And reply, even!)Kudus to whoever thought of that idea. It's a good one.Farkel | ||
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| Nomen Clature | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
A moderator is always kind. He or she works without pay, for the reward of seeing a smoothly running discussion. He is loyal to the board that he is moderating, and yet always trys to let each person have their say, immoderate though that say may be. A moderator is committed to truthfulness and goodness. A moderator must never give in to petty bickering, except to cut it off at the ankles. | ||
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| mommy | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
LOL I am sorry I thought the question was....What is a moderate weight. I was getting ready to bring out my charts. lolOK...carry on... wendy | ||
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| Jang | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
What is a moderate weight. I was getting ready to bring out my charts. lolA moderate weight is anything that is 10 pounds less that I am now [:D}JanG | ||
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| logical | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
So a moderate weight is 456 pounds? | ||
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| Scarlet Pimpernel | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
JanG: If you were a moderator would you delete me?LOL @ Logical | ||
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| Jang | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
JanG: If you were a moderator would you delete me?Scarlet, if you were to spost sleeze, porn or threaten someone harm, then I would have to put your post in the trash bin provided. After all, this is what FD2 said in his posting:The only foreseeable deletions would be for pornography, illegal posts, and/or posts that threaten or encourage harm, physical or otherwise to other individuals or identifiable groups.If I were a moderator there then I would follow the guidelines and if I was not sure then I would place the matter in the hands of FD2.JanG | ||
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| Scarlet Pimpernel | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
I see you desire (dare I say crave) a role of importance. Big egos need feeding. The impression I get from this thread is that you would love to be a "Nazi-rator!”. Admit it, this thread is a big add for JanG the Moronator. JanG says “Choose me choose me” What if I threaten that huge ego of yours – would you delete me then. | ||
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| Jang | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
I see you desire (dare I say crave) a role of importance. Big egos need feeding. The impression I get from this thread is that you would love to be a "Nazi-rator!”. Admit it, this thread is a big add for JanG the Moronator. JanG says “Choose me choose me” What if I threaten that huge ego of yours – would you delete me then.Scarlet .... I said if I were I would HAVE to follow the guidlines .... same as when I am doing it anywhere else I have to follow those guidelines ...If you were moderator you would have to also ..... As I said earlier, I moderate a lot of other lists, and I know the participants there would tell you where to go ... and where to put your opinion. JanG | ||
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| Scarlet Pimpernel | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
I’ve seen how you moderate mailing lists. You must exercise all of your restraint. | ||
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| Scarlet Pimpernel | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
I wonder what you would do with IP addresses | ||
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| BugEye | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
Logical, Well thats the first time Ive seen a funny from you, Wooohooo dave | ||
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| Francois | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
I don't agree that "...just as meetings need to be chaired to keep things moving smoothly so do meeting places like this ...." I don't believe this board needs any such thing. And I tend to be very suspicious of people who make loud noises about how qualified and enthusiastic they are about serving in such capacity.If this board is moderated, it is so subtle as to be unnoticeable. And that's as much "moderating" as I can tolerate. It is as true now as it was over a hundred years ago, "That government is best that governs least." And adding to that, I think moderators, if we MUST have them, should be anonymous, and should be VERY easily removable upon motion made by a Master Member or above, and a simple majority of those voting on such a question. Anonymity would tend to help make such service less attractive to certain giant egos, and if a moderator's "cover" were ever to be blown, and their identity discovered, they should - in my opinion - be immediately removed as a moderator."Moderate" means to "observe reasonable limits," and thus is introduced someone to make a subjective call on what constitutes "reasonable." My reasonable may be your extreme. I think we tread on very thin ice here.Frankly, I think this board self-regulates quite well, which is one of its attractions. I clearly remember having had intense and widespread exception taken to a topic title I once used in a fit of utter pique. And responding to the obvious sensitivities of others here, I changed the topic title myself. That felt good. No Big Brother intervention, just responsible adults handling things for themselves.I have for three and a half years been a regular on a bulletin board run by some very caring people for people who have melanoma, or who support melanoma patients. There is a posting policy. Rarely is the board owner heard from. And if someone does get out of line with an obnoxious post - requiring it to be deleted, there is a citation made referring to the posting policy clause violated. I don't recall the last time that happened, even though subjectively the policy is violated more frequently than posts are deleted. The violation must be so egregious that even the person who submitted the post cannot honestly object to its removal.My $0.02.Francois | ||
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| Jang | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
Scarlet Pimpernel askedI wonder what you would do with IP addresses and commented I’ve seen how you moderate mailing lists. You must exercise all of your restraintI wouldn't bother about the IP addresses .... I would leave that to the powers that be on H2O. Not the place of moderators to do that there.I don't have to exercise my restraint ..... I am pretty tolerant of almost all things on the lists I moderate except verbally abusing other people online.And, as you know, that had to be dealth with. JanG | ||
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| Jang | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
Francoise wrote :If this board is moderated, it is so subtle as to be unnoticeable. And that's as much "moderating" as I can tolerate. It is as true now as it was over a hundred years ago, "That government is best that governs least." Which is about what I am trying to say Francoise ..... I have to chair meetings at times and the best way to keep things running smoothly is to just gently move matters along. It has to be subtle and fair and with no double standards.One can chair a meeting WTS style or one can do it UN style ....I hope that makes what I am trying to say clearer I wish I could communicate in writing as well as I could 10-15 years ago ...it is hard trying to say something when your brain always feel likes it full of marshmallow.Anyway, the powers that be on H2O have come to realize that moderation should not be WTS style and needs to be gentler and just seeing that the board is running smoothly and that those that are new learn where to post etc. JanG | ||
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| mommy | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
Jan, Just a simple question from the peanut gallery(me ) Why are you posting this?wendy | ||
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| waiting | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
hey jang,Thanks for your viewpoint. I know a couple of the moderators on the *old* H20, and it seemed a thankless job. In fact, a job where they were insulted every time any action was taken - so it seemed.Would rather go to the dentist and have my teeth drilled.But I see your point - moderators don't have to be under such restraints. I think be annomynous is a great idea, but the idea that they would have to be removed if their identiy is found out is just asking for trouble. Some fools will get together just to guess and guess and guess. Saw that on H20 also.I do think Simon needs help. He's done us a great favor here - for free. He has 2 kids and a kind wife who shares him with us. What does he get in return? Zip. Nadda Zilch.Perhaps we could give him what he is requesting? Some of our time so he has more time for his family and work - and perhaps a little recreation. I think that's the main point.I've been to Tishi's place - I never even knew it was moderated, and I've never read any complaints against her place for moderation.I think we owe Simon some time.waiting | ||
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| waiting | Re: What is a Moderator? | |
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JanG
I wish I could communicate in writing as well as I could 10-15 years ago ...it is hard trying to say something when your brain always feel likes it full of marshmallow.Anyway, the powers that be on H2O have come to realize that moderation should not be WTS style and needs to be gentler and just seeing that the board is running smoothly and that those that are new learn where to post etc. JanG