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jst2lawsPlaying The Hand You Are Dealt


My wife and I were DF'd about six months ago as apostates after our combined 88 years in the organization (I love borrowing WT methods of making figures impressive). I look back now at age 55 and wonder what it might have been like to have left younger, like 25. At 23 I had my first GREAT DISILLUSIONMENT. Why did I wait another 27 years?

If it were not for the WT perhaps I would have gone to college as I had planned instead of to Bethel for six years. Perhaps I would have started my business a decade earlier in life rather than spend ten years in the 'fulltime preaching work'. Perhaps I would not have raised my children in the Midwestern rurals serving where the 'need is great' instead of in a more affluent, progressive environment.

But all matters considered I do not mind being who I am, and who I am is the result of my total life experience, good and bad. What we have experienced in life contributes to our bank of wisdom and molds our perspective.
To change one thing could change everything.

You may be thinking, "but I have been injured, my family has been damaged by the WT". I too am angry that my father died for lack of a transfusion and my little brother died needlessly at eighteen years of age, both attributable to the WT. But this is what the WT did to them, not to me. Whether or not this cripples me emotionally is up to me. You see, I'M NOT DEAD YET.    What they have done to my relatives and countless others affects me emotionally and deeply but I do not have to allow it to ruin my life or handicap me in any way.
 
What a shame to miss out of one more day blaming others for robbing us of life.
I read a great 'saying' once that said (paraphrased):
Play the cards you are dealt in life. Some, rather than play the game, spend their life demand they be dealt a new hand.
If you are reading this, you must admit to yourself: "I'm not dead yet". So your angry, you have sad memories, missed opportunities. But you could have joined Jim Jones or David Korish. NOPE, We're Not Dead Yet. And now you have your life to make of it what you want. Should we keep complaining about the hand we were dealt or PLAY THE GAME?
 
Yes, I expect some will work me over for this.
Steve





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RunningManRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Good post.

We, as ex-Witnesses, lament our missed opportunities and blame the society for many things.

But, this idea can apply to anyone.  There isn't a person anywhere in the world who hasn't experienced some problem - many of which were far greater than we have faced.

As you mentioned, we are the sum total of our life experiences.  Part of who we are today was molded by the organization.  If we like ourselves, then part of what we like came from them.  If we don't like ourselves, well, like they say, today is the first day of the rest of your life.  Fix it.
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SimonRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

I know what you mean ... there are things I could have / would have done. It would have been nice to have the chance and opportunities to at least make my own decisions more.

I too 'almost' left about 10 years before I actually did.

But would I change who I am and where I am? No. I have a great wife and two fantastic kids and we're happy. I know the things I have gone through will help them because I can teach them a bit more about things that otherwise I may have been ignorant of.

The wasted investment in friendships that have been taken away is annoying but we've since made better / more genuine friends.

Life is a rollercoaster - you aim to enjoy the ride and not get to anywhere in particular.
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ValisRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Steve...everyone buys their ticket and takes their ride man.  Just like evrytime you get on your bike, you decide to take that ride.  People who leave the JWs are no different.  It is heartbreaking to be shunned and have a fucked up family, but sometimes we just gotta get on gettin on...It is a great thing that we have this place and other websites to help make the ride smoother.

Sincerely,

District Overbeer
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blondieRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt
It's only too late when you're dead.--Malcolm Forbes
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Special KRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Sounds like you have done alot of healing since you left...

Wasn't there a time when you were angry? ..feeling ripped off? etc... 

 

I think the goal for me when I left J.W.'s was to eventually work through all those emotions that I felt..like anger, hurt, abandonment, ..grieving etc.... AND  THEN...get to where you are..

 

Acceptance of who I am now.. and the ability to forge ahead in my own path, making the deicision I need to make for me and my family.

I don't know if you'll get much flack from your topic...It all sounded like a progressive posting to me..

I'd say..Go and be free, my friend..but your post tells me you already have done that.

sincerely

Special k
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Lady LeeRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt
Well stated Steve/Jst2laws well said
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amacRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Great post and responses. This attitude can be applied to everything in life and a good way to work on being happy, despite your circumstances.

My parents screwed up a lot in raising us, and my siblings can't seem to forgive them or get over it to this day. Now that I'm a parent I know for a fact that I will screw up somehow in my parenting and can only appreciate that my parents tried their best and I just have to deal with my screwed up childhood and make the best of it.
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AnnOMalyRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

I agree with you, Just2laws.

It's one thing to think we could've done some stuff differently - everyone must have those feelings - but once the initial emotional upheaval has gone, it's destructive to hang onto regret and bitterness.

Life is one long learning curve. The important thing is to learn and move on.
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angliseRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Yes I agree with you but it still makes it hard to come to terms with.

When we as individuals took on the beliefs of the WTBTS wether as a young adult getting baptized into it or an adult having had a "bible study" we in effect took on a life without death. Our own mortality went into - we hoped and prayed - permanent remmision.

Now having learnt to see the TRUTH about the JW teachings those of us who have left have taken on a terminal life.

A difficult thing to explain to someone who never really believed.

Coming to terms with that after maybe many years is very very hard.

No we cant keep looking back and apportioning blame and ham stringing ourselves to the past.

But there is life after the borg, and you are right "we are not dead yet"

Anglise
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jst2lawsRe: Re: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Hello Runningman,
If we like ourselves, then part of what we like came from them.  If we don't like ourselves, well, like they say, today is the first day of the rest of your life.  Fix it.

That is a key thought.  I'm sure many do not like themselves and therefore it is the WT's fault they are what they are.  But if we get on with life and do as you say "fix it" the past can be enriching instead of devastating.  This process has little chance if we mope in hopelessness  blaming the corporation for ruining us.   

Simon,
Life is a rollercoaster - you aim to enjoy the ride and not get to anywhere in particular

Now that is a good one. 

Steve

 
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jst2lawsRe: Re: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Valis,
...It is a great thing that we have this place and other websites to help make the ride smoother.

Dito that,

 

Blondie
It's only too late when you're dead.--Malcolm Forbes

And We're Not Dead Yet.  Thanks for the quote Blondie.  Actually my phrase "I'm not dead yet" is borrowed from "Search for the Holy Grail" preceded by "Bring out your dead". 

 

Special K

Yes, we have healed well.  But it started some time ago before we were finally DF'd.  It takes time for anyone to de-program, settle on a new belief system and get used to the lack of certainty that the WT offered, fraudulently.   You sound well adjusted yourself.  Enjoyed your thoughts

 

Steve

 
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hillary_stepRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Steve,

What a powerful post.

My wife and I view our many years as JW?s as having bought us many good things and many bad things, and actually this mimics many other human experiences that we all have in common. Sure I could have been the world's best Jazz guitarist and been signing Pat Metheny's autograph book for him, I may also have committed suicide at the lack of sales of my records...lol

Like being shipwrecked on a remote island, those that survive learn quickly how to utilize what is washed up the beach and get on with their lives. Those that shrink and die, sit on the beach, staring at sea and wondering of what might have been.

I am often amused at the ire that many twenty-five year old XJW?s show and continue to have when they exit the organization, as they still have the whole of their lives ahead of them. People of our generation are nearing the time when our ?face is on the run and our bodies are almost done? and have spent most of our lives attached to a foolish dream, yet despite this, or perhaps because of it we see the need to live for today and not waste one minute concerned with what we cannot change. We were lied to, deceived and taken advantage of but we cannot fight yesterday?s battles today.

Thank for a though-provoking post - HS
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willylomanRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Steve:

This is a wonderful post and expresses my own thoughts on the matter as a guy way in his 50s who sat on the edge of a lake in 1990 and wondered why the hell he was doing this and is only now doing the fade.

Many thoughtful replies have appeared here and I just want to second the emotion.

A friend once told me: There is always another opportunity coming; you just have to have the courage of your convictions. That courage is sometimes slow in coming, but the important thing is that it you act on it when it comes.
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jst2lawsRe: Re: Re: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Lady Lee,

 

Amac,
Now that I'm a parent I know for a fact that I will screw up somehow in my parenting and can only appreciate that my parents tried their best and I just have to deal with my screwed up childhood and make the best of it.

Amen to that.  Well stated.  And admit that to your children often, so when they are grown up they will be much more apt to say the same about their upbringing and try to do just a little better. 

 

AnnOMaly,

I have not welcomed you to the board.  Glad to have you hear along with so many other new posters. 
it's destructive to hang onto regret and bitterness.

I must admit I'm a little surprised to see so much agreement.  When I was new here just to use the word "bitterness" got a poster worked over.  But it is an emotion we have to work through in the early stages.  Part of the reason I started this thread was in hopes it might help those who may be stuck in that stage.   Thanks for your contribution.

 

Steve

 

 
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BluebladesRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Hi Jst2laws! I agree with what you have posted.For some it will take a longer than others to move on.What is done is done,the emotional scars remain.My boys who are now married men to non-jw's beautiful women are doing fine.Our boys tell us that we did what we thought was best for the family at the time.They say that in a sense it molded them to be able to see God, Jesus, religion,the Bible in a way they feel that they would not of known otherwise.,and remain open-minded on these issues.

They do not hold anything against their parents,rather ,they have told us that thay love us very much and are living their lives as they wish it to be,happily married and unattached to any controlling organization.Both are doing well in the secular field along with their wives.

We are so happy that our guys are well balanced and have not been hurt or harmed emotionally beyond repair.This has made it easier for my wife and I to move on also doing the slow fade, as we still are near Bethel and are considered inactive.The boys have moved away and we will soon.

Thanks for posting this topic,"Playing The Hand You Are Dealt".Some do this and others simply can't.

Blueblades
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BluebladesRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Btw,The boys were raised in jw religion and have joined no other,for over 30 yrs.

Blueblades
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ballisticRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Steve, when I met you as "big" Brian at the first BBQ last year, I asked you specifically about how you came to terms with leaving the truth when you did, and you gave the perfect answer just as you do now. And that is such a source of stregnth to others however young or old, and that helps their healing process also. I suppose I started very young with the "what if's?"; my father also died without blood.

To be greatful for every day and to be sure that what we are today is more than the sum of our lives.

 
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jst2lawsRe: Re: Re: Re: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt

Anglise
Now having learnt to see the TRUTH about the JW teachings those of us who have left have taken on a terminal life.

Very interesting thought.  In my post to Special K   I mentioned the loss of "certainty" we experience in leaving the WT.  We thought we understood everything from the fall of mankind to the only hope for the future.  The paradise was a "certainty", our making it there was up to us.  We thought we had "life everlasting" almost assured.  Loosing that is rather like accepting a 'terminal life' as you say. 

Personally I have only lost the CERTAINTY.   I still have a hope.  But that is another topic.  Thanks for your input.

 

HS

Excellent post, as usual. 
our ?face is on the run and our bodies are almost done? and have spent most of our lives attached to a foolish dream, yet despite this, or perhaps because of it we see the need to live for today and not waste one minute concerned with what we cannot change.

WOW!  Just 'Being'

Steve
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stillajwexelderRe: Playing The Hand You Are Dealt
powerful post -- thanks -- I am sure it will help me in the future
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