As a newbie, and one that hasn't been to a meeting since June, I have lately been thinking about this scripture at Hebrews 10: 24, and 25. You know that's is the one the Org. quoted when they told us why we need to be at the meetings. I guess I have been feeling a little guilty and wonderering how we are to fulfill this scripture. Well, I would welcome anybody's idea about what this scripture is REALLY talking about. The only thing I can understand is this: we as a group meet here from this board and encourage one another...does that count??? Codeblue
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| codeblue | How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
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| amac | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
The scripture says not to forsake the gathering of yourselves together. First off, to forsake means to give up, to abandon or leave altogether. It does NOT mean that you must go to 5 meetings a week. You could go once a month and still say that you are not forsaking it. The second argument is as long as two or more or gathered than it doesn't matter if it is an official meeting at the hall. | ||
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| Joyzabel | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Running ahead of yourself there, Codeblue????The answer to that question by Ray is in In Search of Christian Freedom.hugs, j2bf | ||
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| codeblue | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Joy2brfree....just something I have been thinking about for 2 weeks...but thanks for where to look for the answer...I am gonna order it NOW!!!Hugs to you....and Can't wait to party with ya...lol (hope it is soon..)Codeblue | ||
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| codeblue | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Hey...why aren't any exelders responding???? Just want to know???? | ||
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| wheres caleb? | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
This is a scripture that is commonly misapplied by (elders) witnesses. You mentioned Hebrews 10:24 and 25. You hear it applied to meeting attendence which is mentioned in verse 25 as, " not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together". I can't stand the elder who emphasizes the, "as some have the custom" part. Elders who pontificate the scriptures mention this and act as if they are the only one's who get it. Go ahead and pat yourselves in the back! You completely missed the point you pontificating hacks! (Those being the pontificating elders).They completely ignore the scripture before it that puts everything in perspective and exposes them. They read the words and attribute something to themselves that they have no understanding of because their actions prove it. Verse 24 says, "let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works". How many times did 'just going' to meetings make you feel encouraged? If you allowed yourself to think that just going to meetings made Jehovah happy, you bought into the JW mindset. Their incessant need to honor routine distorts their ability to grasp simple scriptures. I had been thinking of starting a thread on this myself because I have always hated their application of these scriptures.(Amongst other things) | ||
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| Odrade | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Yeah, that's what I've always said Caleb.That "gathering together" is not, and should not, be limited to the Kingdom Hall. Yet it was so hard to arrange any socializing at all. For me, that turned out to be a good thing. If I had still (ever?) had many sincere friends in the "Truth" who actually had time to socialize with me, I might have gone on excusing all the wrong I saw but wouldn't acknowlege, for years longer. (Whew, run-on much? haha)Odrade | ||
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| mouthy | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
First of all -we are told where two or three are gathered in my name _JESUS he is in the midst!!!So we can be with others ( I believe >belivers in Christ) I also believe Jesus is the HEAD of the church.. We his followers are the "bricks" to build the temple .Which the HOLY Spirit indwells. SO I dont need to go to a building .Especially the Kingdom Hell- We are part of the body- You may be the hands, ( that help folks) you may be the caregiver( that tends folks,) the feet (that aids folks) the heart (that loves folks ).Or even the Mouth ( cough ,cough, (that upsets people) lol...I can understand how you feel-I know when I first began to miss meeting - You start thinking "am I wrong?"But I know NOW-I dont have to go anywhere to have a PERSONAL relationship with MY GOD.Into my bedroom. !!the car!! ANYWHERE he is there.!!!! Once you start meeting folks -workplace- groups- anywhere- & the conversation come up about each others beliefs ---I find HE is there-If it is conducted lovingly... ( that is fellowship....Many dont agree with me. But that is my two cents!!! | ||
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| Navigator | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
I agree with you Mouthy! Most of the witnesses I know cannot feel God's presence because they are so exhausted from all of the "gathering together". They are so wrapped up in magazine sales and "counting time" that they neglect the inner urging to "be still and know". | ||
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| LittleToe | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Codeblue: I suspect the reason you've had few ex-elders replying is because they are either at work (like me)or asleep It applies to Christians and is a warning not to "isolate" yourself.Human's are gregarious, and need fellow, like-minded company. In other words "keep in touch", and encourage one another. The verses that you quote explain what it's supposed to be about, and it isn't for regular indoctrination sessions!!! | ||
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| Nathan Natas | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Hebrews 10 Yes, it is pretty clear from Paul's admonition that true christians were to meet together three times a week for a total of five hours each week. 24 and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; 25 not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. Why not nine times a week for a total of fourteen hours per week? Wouldn't that be the mark of a REALLY, REALLY SPIRITUAL person?Gee, how about assembling together 168 times a week for a total of 28 hours a week - now THAT would CERTAINLY mark a REAL Christian, wouldn't it? "I am SO much more spiritually minded than you - my congregation meets every hour of the day for ten minutes - opps! gotta run! Wouldn't want to forsake the gathering of ourselves together! buh-bye!"Notice that the WATCHTOWER society has no measure - no theocratic metric - for the QUALITY of such gatherings together - just plop your ass in a chair and try not to snore too loudly, and you're -TADA! - a spiritually minded person, better than your neighbor who goes to that OTHER church, or synagoge, or forest - only once a week for real contemplation. | ||
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| gumby | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
but exhorting one another; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. "As you see the day drawing near" eh? What day was he talking about? The end of times day? If he was talking about the end of the world......why were they to encourage one another when they at that time weren't even close to that day? Did somebody write a boo boo?Also, how were people who lived in rural areas to understand this? Maybe they sold all their possesions and moved in close to town so they could heed this admonition......or live alone and stay where they are at and be considered a rebellious one.Nathan......I think you also.......are of the devil Gumby | ||
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| rocketman | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Former elder checking in!......I apply this scripture by visiting and posting here! ![]() | ||
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| rocketman | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Seriously, you are getting some good responses codeblue. Nathan makes a good point - why does it have to mean 5 meetings/week? And one could easily take it to the Nth Degree and make it 10, 15, 20 meetings. After all, didn't Paul write "all the more so"? So shouldn't jws be constantly increasing the number of meetings? Well, one only need apply some common sense to understand that Paul was not quantifying meeting together. And it was not restricted to formal worship sessions - Christians had 'love feasts' and they socialized too. | ||
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| ozziepost | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
How do we apply it? Well, this ex-elder and current elder combined (work that one out!!) accepts that the words refer to the desertion and abandonment of Christian assembly. There's a wonderful thing about Christian freedom- you can fellowship with christians of all denominations, groupings, whatever. This is so different from what the Borg demands of the R&F. Mrs Ozzie and I have enjoyed the fellowship of other christians around the world. Just because we wouldn't particularly like to share in their style of service each week, doesn't mean we can't enjoy good fellowship with them on occasions. There's no limiting of such association. That's what's denied the Borg-ite and why they've "missed the plot" again with their interpretation.Cheers, Ozzie | ||
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| LittleToe | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Ozzie: Here here! | ||
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| Benny Sikter | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
Hi Codeblue!I am an ex-elder and I will give my point of view to your question.Before you attend a christian meeting you may ask yourself: Is this congregation a place where really true christians are gathered? Is this particular congregation loyal to God's Word in all aspects, teaching only true things from Jehovah God? Will I be encouraged there to bear good fruits because the members are always considering that I am superior to them? (See John 13:34, 35; 1 Corinhians 4:6; Philippians 2:3)If you can say Yes to these three questions, nothing can stop you attending the meeting because you like so much to be there. But sorry to say, this good congregation doesn't exist at all. For the moment, even Jehovah's Witnesses are affected with so many nonscriptural teachings that they are no longer true christians. When will the true congregation of Jehovah be manifested? I am still waiting...Benny Sikter, Sweden | ||
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| Flowerpetal | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
where's caleb Their incessant need to honor routine distorts their ability to grasp simple scriptures. I had been thinking of starting a thread on this myself because I have always hated their application of these scriptures.(Amongst other things) Wow!! That says a mouthful right there!What we don't know about the early Christians is how many times a week they met or even how many times a month. But I really don't think they had 5 meetings a week in 3 days. Maybe we should have classes on reading and studying scriptures in CONTEXT and skip the rest except for the ministry school and public talk. | ||
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| minimus | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
The Jews met at the synagogue, the temple area, the marketplace and so forth. Every group have had their meeting places to see each other, talk about life, etc. Most people worked from early morning to later in the evening. It's healthy to fellowship with others of like mind. So getting together to share one's faith is a good thing. Early Christians met in little homes or catacombs. They got together when they could. It was encouraging for them to see their friends and family. They even had "love feasts" as get togethers. As was mentioned, there was no set time to meet. Nothing in scripture supports that notion. Actually, Paul had to give instructions to believers about getting a little order when they did get together. So , it was a good thing for these new Christians to get together and share experiences and comfort. Wherever we are, we can make it a point to encourage and strengthen one another. | ||
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| Flowerpetal | Re: How do we apply Hebrews 10:24, and 25 ? Exelders and others, please respond | |
I also agree with Ozziepost. Last month I visited an old school chum from years ago. I stayed at her house for a week. She was born and raised Catholic but is now a Baptist. While I was there, we shared spiritually---not religiously and it was a wonderful experience. We went beyond talking about "world conditions" and why they are like that, and blah, blah, blah. We were on a different spiritual plane and she felt she could share with me something that not many of her friends knew about. It ended up in a crying and hugging session, but she needed the hug and someone to empathize with her. I really feel that brought us closer as "sisters" and I'm not going to let a lot of years go by before I visit her again. | ||
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It applies to Christians and is a warning not to "isolate" yourself.
Why not nine times a week for a total of fourteen hours per week? Wouldn't that be the mark of a REALLY, REALLY SPIRITUAL person?
Gumby