I have just finished reading for the 2nd time "Who Wrote The Bible" by Friedman and American Professor but first published in London. He gives solid evidence that the Pentateuch was written by 4 writers who are called J, E, P and D --- and so on -- traditionally of course written by Moses. My question is 2-fold 1) Has anyone else read this book and/ or similar - and what did you think of it -- did it (or other) shake your faith - help make you agnostic?2) What is your favored reading material of a religious/historical/philosophical nature now that you do not trust what the WTBTS publishes?
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| shotgun | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
The book must be a good read you read it twice?Would you highly recommend it?JEPD wrote the bible? I thought it was YHWH ![]() | ||
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| Frannie Banannie | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Earthling men.Frannie B | ||
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| stillajwexelder | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Shotgun -- yes I would highly recommend it | ||
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| shotgun | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Tanks I'll look it up. | ||
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| SixofNine | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
I bought the book as a witness, thinking it would be interesting and faith building. I quickly put it down, lol.
After I read Crisis of Concience, I picked it back up again, as I wanted to know whether christianity had a basis before I invested more time and effort and heart into it. It doesn't and I didn't.
Great book, saved me alot of time.
It's funny to me, how many people, on leaving the witnesses, don't read a book that answers the most basic of questions, a question that they have never had answered as a witness, or even seen asked really, as a witness. Who wrote the Bible? Basic, vital, and crazy to proceed with religion till you have some sort of intelligent informed answer. | ||
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| stillajwexelder | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
II woulkd add Who Wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls by Norman Golb -- interesting but a much more academic and difficult read -- Who Wrote The Bible is a much easier "racier' read -- very compelling just like COC --- one of these days I will do a post with my Top 20 reads but I am sure it has already been done | ||
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| frenchbabyface | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Still :1) No - so I can't answer the rest of the question BUT I'd like to know more about it2) Don't have any ... my favorite materiel is the human being so far, I mean : they read , and they tell me - So I can sit down while they are working, but still get all the needed the information ... | ||
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| DevonMcBride | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
I'm currently reading Forgery in Christianity: A Documented Record of the Foundations of the Christian Religion by Joseph WhelessDevon | ||
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| Gamaliel | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
stillajwexelder, I have just finished reading for the 2nd time "Who Wrote The Bible" by Friedman and American Professor but first published in London. He gives solid evidence that the Pentateuch was written by 4 writers who are called J, E, P and D --- and so on -- traditionally of course written by Moses. My question is 2-fold 1) Has anyone else read this book and/ or similar - and what did you think of it -- did it (or other) shake your faith - help make you agnostic? Yes. That book is absolutely worth a second read. It is the simply the best introductory review of the evidence I have ever seen. Of course, being short and for us non-academics, it skips a lot of other great evidence for JEPD, but it seems very fair in the selected evidence presented. I can't say that this book shook my faith since the Bible had already done that when I first gave it a first full read when I started at Bethel. At the time, I thought reading the Aid book would help restore my faith but the weak defenses in the Aid book were what really began to turn me agnostic. What I especially liked about the Friedman book were the short segments reviewing portions of Bible history. Those were extremely well written. The simple explanation of Israelite meat eating, the reason Solomon married all those wives, and Solomon's gerrymandering of Israel, and his attempts to treat Northerners especially as slave labor -- a lot of these things I don't think I would have seen on my own. 2) What is your favored reading material of a religious/historical/philosophical nature now that you do not trust what the WTBTS publishes? Gamalieledited over and over to try to get the quote boxes to look right. | ||
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| Francois | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Everybody and his brother.ft | ||
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| stillajwexelder | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Gamaliel thanks for you recommendations --I will try and obtain copies | ||
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| bluesapphire | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
I read that book a long time ago. I'm going to have to re-read it now. I remember thinking it was a good book. But I don't remember much else that was in it.I'm also going to have to go to the library to check out some of those other titles that Gamaliel mentioned. Thanks. | ||
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| crownboy | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
DevonMcBride, I liked reading Wheless' book as well; its sarcastic humor was pretty funny to me, but I'm sure the book's style put off a few Christains to it, though. While his work is generally OK, he does make some suspicious errors, and as I said before, the books tone is not the most dispassionate. I think his other book, Is It God's Word? is way better (even though it's very polemical also).(About Forgery in Christanity: http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/wheless/wheless_intro.htm )I too read Who Wrote the Bible, and like Six I was still a JW when I read it, but for whatever reason I wasn't too troubled by it. I guess I was probably already half way slipping, since I figured there was something weird about the flood story . I definitely recommend reading it, of course. | ||
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| CruithneLaLuna | There's a good treatise about this online somewhere... | |
...by a phsyicist named Ark, whose wife channels "Cassiopaens" via the Ouija board. Ark's article (the beginnings of a book, as I recall) is quite interesting, but too alien to JW thinking for me to get very far with it - by which I mean that the only material to which I was exposed as a JW was either totally pro-Bible-as-God's-Word, or filtered by the WTS, which amounts to the same thing; any statements to the contrary being quoted basicaly in summary so that they could turn around and (try to) effectively rip it to shreds. So Ark's ideas and sources might as well have been from Sirua and Orion, and untranslated from the original lnguages as well. And I encountered this article after I had left the JWs, and had no strong vested interest in the Bible being what the JWs and other fundamentalistically-oriented Christian sects believe it to be.Okay... here's the link: http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/biblewho1.htm Maybe I was wrong, and it was Laura the channeler who actually penned the article, rather than her husband. Someday when I have Internet access at home again, I will undertake to re-read this piece.And thanks for the recommendation of Friedman's book. I'll see if the liebury [sic] here has it, altho Christians are notorious for stealing and destroying spiritual books that undermine their ideas or pull people in a different direction, as my friend who works in the liebury system will verify. Okay, no, they don't often catch Christians doing it red-handed, but who else do you think it would be causing the anti-Christian and non-Christian-favorable books to disappear?Cruithne | ||
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| Lady Lee | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
well If I had written the Bible it would have been a lot shorter and a lot more interesting | ||
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| Yerusalyim | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Still,That the Torah was a conglomeration of several schools of thought and eventually redacted has been a scholarly idea for several generations. The J or Y source were those that used Yahweh or Jehovah (if you prefer) in their writing...The P source is said to have presented the Priestly writings, etc etc.Isaiah was written by at least two different guys...one before and one after the exile..and so on.Not earth shattering news unless you're one of those folks that though Moses really did record his own death. | ||
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| Dawn | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
I read it. I thought it was a really good book and an interesting concept. And no - it didn't shake my faith. It only helped me open my eyes a bit more to realize that I don't have all the answers - noone on this earth does. Stillajw - I found that once I quit accepting everything the borg said as the ONLY option I was not only more open to other possibilities - but my faith in God actually grew. | ||
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| stillajwexelder | Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Yerusalyim -- there are lots of things that troubled me -- Moses saying he was the meeket man on earth - -tha account of his own death -- the mix and match of verses -- but as aJW it was absolutely banged into my head that "where else is there for us to go " etc.. I found a way of ignoring these questions -- all I can say is -- I never will again until the day I die | ||
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| Yerusalyim | Re: Re: Who Wrote The Bible | |
Still, Sorry you had such a hard time with it. Man...I guess unless you've been raised in it you can't understand. | ||
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- So I can sit down while they are working, but still get all the needed the information ...