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hillary_stepPropaganda and the WTS

Hello,

Propaganda and Blatant Liar can often be seen sharing a beer together in the local pub. The observer can differentiate them quite easily as at the end of the evening Propaganda stabs Blatant Liar in the back and steals his underwear. The common element that bonds these two characters in this uneasy friendship is an agenda that recognizes that matters cannot be presented to a person or group without needing to adjust or manipulate the facts to serve their own ambitions.

The WTS very clearly understand the dangers of propaganda and actually identifies what it deems as propaganda in the following statement :
There is a difference - a big difference - between education and propaganda. Education tells you how to think. Propaganda tells you what to think. Good educators present all sides of an issue and encourage discussion. Propagandists relentlessly force you to hear their view and discourage discussion. Often real motives are not apparent. They sift the facts, exploiting the useful ones and concealing the others. They also distort and twist facts, specializing in lies and half truths……The propagandist makes sure that his message appears to be the right and moral one and it gives you a sense of importance and belonging if you follow it. WT June 22, 2000.

Yes, I know, these words from the midst of the vicious heart are puzzling, almost as if the writer were mischievously sporting with all the JW’s seeing how far he could push the envelope before they would see who was really wearing the propagandist cap. Fortunately the writer is dealing with readers who are the theological equivalent of a laboratory rhesus monkey, and who know full well that to push the button marked "Hold on a minute!" results in 110 volts of Theocratic Order coursing through their nether regions and even more worrying, curtailment of their onerous privileges, such as standing up on a platform before a group of seated people and reading verbatim from a magazine.

As some of you may be aware the WTS is fighting for its theological life in France and has been for some while. If you recall, France, never a nation to care terribly for outside opinion ( I love the French ) has deemed the WTS among many other high-control groups, a cult which has no right to avail of the taxation free status that is has enjoyed for the past few decades. France slapped a bill for $65 million of reassessed taxes on Brooklyn’s desk, a sum which has grown to almost $100 million with penalties.

The WTS reacted by moving much of its French ‘blue collar’ operation to Britain and other more tolerant countries, leaving the ‘management’ in France. On the advice of WTS Legal it took out expensive advertisements in the NYT, almost tearfully wailing the issue of religious freedom in a bid to win American political shaped hearts. It must be remembered that most of the Western world view the JW’s as a bloody nuisance, but a benign nuisance, almost part of a quirky theological life that most politicians would like to point to show their great tolerance of religious lunatics. It seems to escape their notice that the WTS has been around far longer than any Government and has actually outlived many other ‘cults’. It has cunning to burn.

In recent times that WTS has been faring badly at the European Court Of Human Rights where it appealed against its ‘cultist’ title and the levying of fair taxes. A very senior member of Legal closely involved in this issue told me some weeks ago that ‘things were going badly in France’. The WTS is fearful that the thin end of the wedge has been inserted and that losing its case in France will lead other parts of Europe to follow suit in levying taxes.

The WTS cannot, it will not be described as a ‘cult’. It just cannot afford to. In a recent Watchtower, the following statement was made:
Propagandists often use the word like "sect" to stigmatize others. In a recommendation to the Parliamentary Assembly Of The Council Of Europe, a suggestion was made that the authorities who investigate new religious groups "would be well advised to forgo using this term". Why? It was felt that the word "cult" had an excessively negative connotation. Watchtower July 15th, 2003.

Now this is where the propagandist begins to earn his money. The writer of the above Watchtower very cleverly slips the more emotive term ‘cult’ into the proceedings after first using the term ‘sect.’ These words both have emotive connotations, the word ‘cult’ of course, being the most reactionary and one which is more commonly applied to the WTS. The document containing this part of the report by PACE is reproduced below and makes no mention whatsoever of the word ‘cult’. The WTS writer saw fit, naughty little fellow, to out of the blue introduce the word ‘cult’ where it did not belong.
Definition 8.Of course, it is clear that it is very tempting for state authorities to use the term "sect", given that it is easily understood by everyone. However, state authorities would be well advised to forgo using this term since there is no legal definition of itand it has an excessively pejorative connotation. In the public mind today, a sect is extremely evil or dangerous. There are three possible ways of avoiding use of the term "sect"……(3)

Later on, in another sectiuon of the report, PACE does interestingly draw attention to and use the term ‘cult’ for the first time, but not for the reason that might suit the WTS or indeed one that reflects accurately its usage in the above Watchtower, in fact quite the contrary
3.The European Parliament’s motion for a Resolution on sects in the European Union, tabled by Mrs Bergen, observes that there is continuing concern that the activities of cults and their attendant dangers may be increasing and that a Europe-wide survey of quantitative data and more detailed investigation into these phenomena (therefore) appear desirable and justified; it goes on to say that "whereas the Central and Eastern European countries now also increasingly face the problem of cults, and whereas these measures should also be extended to them and they should be helped in the context of PHARE and TACIS to deal with such problems in a way which is compatible with fundamental rights…".

My own view though probably it is of little interest to anybody but myself, is that all religions, like doctors and others who deal in lives and destiny, should without exception be licensed by a Government free of mystic fetters and insured against the legal ramifications of those who choose to sue for not getting what they were promised. After all if a car dealership sells you a dud, you may sue them, if religion sells you a dud destiny, you even have to pay for your own therapy - it does not feel fair to me. This should put religion out of business within a decade and lead to a happier world where each person is the master of their own spirit. Imagine, no more suicide bombings, no more embarrassing ritual, and Theodore Jaracz gets to sell Julio Iglesias reissues to deaf housewives on Canal Street in the first honest days work that he has ever done.

Now that is New World Living!

HS
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jst2lawsRe: Propaganda and the WTS
Hello HS,
 
Wonderful to hear from you again and what a topic.
 
you recall, France, never a nation to care terribly for outside opinion ( I love the French )
My own 15 year old son with is recent but limited awareness of world events and social studies would chastise me, but I agree with you.  I "love the French".  But are you not a Brit?  How dare you love the French?
 
most of the Western world view the JW’s as a bloody nuisance, but a benign nuisance, almost part of a quirky theological life that most politicians would like to point to show their great tolerance of religious lunatics
 
The truth is so comical, isn't it?
 
the WTS has been around far longer than any Government and has actually outlived many other ‘cults’. It has cunning to burn.
 
You should be writing for the WT.  They would love to point to those two facts as evidence of their divine backing.

 
The WTS is fearful that the thin end of the wedge has been inserted and that losing its case in France will lead other parts of Europe to follow suit in levying taxes.
 
One more MAJOR FIRE for the Legal Department to frit over.  Maybe the one that will prove completely out of control.
 
 
Imagine, no more suicide bombings, no more embarrassing ritual, and Theodore Jaracz gets to sell Julio Iglesias reissues to deaf housewives on Canal Street in the first honest days work that he has ever done.

 
I have tried to remain liberal in pointing out the positive when discussing the WT's accountability, but I object to your using the work "honest" in connection to anything Theodore Jaracz has done
 
Jst2laws
 
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GermanXJWRe: Propaganda and the WTS
HS, I always love to read your posts.
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DuncanRe: Propaganda and the WTS
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DuncanRe: Propaganda and the WTS

 

A  "religion that sells you a dud destiny"    Brilliant,  HS.

Excellent post.

Duncan

 

 
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ignored_oneRe: Propaganda and the WTS

Great post Hillary.

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Ignored One.
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EnglishmanRe: Propaganda and the WTS
 
I "love the French".  But are you not a Brit?  How dare you love the French?

But they're our favourite enemies!

HS, immaculate post, many thanks.

Englishman.
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grevenRe: Propaganda and the WTS

LOL@e-man!

Nice post HS!

I sure hope France will be the first of an avalance of countries that will put the WTBS along with other high control groups that the public should be protected against, or at least well informed about! A scam is a scam but when it carries the label of religion governments usually take a step back. This should not be the case.

Greven 

 
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HamasRe: Propaganda and the WTS

Great post, my friend.

Expertly written.

 

Do you blame us for hating the French ? I was on a ferry early in the year, going from Dover UK to Calais. I noticed to gap in culture.

On one side of the ferry, the UK truckers were dining, can of lager, fish and chips, eating with their hands, not looking at each other as they spoke, etc.

On the other side were the French truckers. Glass of wine, knife and fork, salad and dip etc, looking straight into each others eyes as they spoke.

 

I decided to sit on the English side.
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ozziepostRe: Propaganda and the WTS

So, they're not faring too well in France, eh? I thought they were "Jehovah's earthly organisation"?? Don't tell me that the French are that powerful!!!!

Great to 'hear' from you, H.S.

Cheers, Ozzie
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metatronRe: Propaganda and the WTS

an excellent post!

 

You do a neat job of exposing the deliberate deception that the Watchtower has grown so skilled at.

I often wonder, what would be so wrong with making religions liable in court for any verifiable fraud ?

No one can  prove or disprove who goes to heaven but false dates for Armageddon are verifiable

and cause harm to people deceived thereby. Why should Tobacco companies be held to a higher standard

than the Watchtower?

 

metatron
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willylomanRe: Propaganda and the WTS
Why should Tobacco companies be held to a higher standard  than the Watchtower?

That's a very good question, worth repeating.
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BeautifulGarbageRe: Propaganda and the WTS
My own view though probably it is of little interest to anybody but myself, is that all religions, like doctors and others who deal in lives and destiny, should without exception be licensed by a Government free of mystic fetters and insured against the legal ramifications of those who choose to sue for not getting what they were promised.

Actually, I found this very interesting, and as written,  makes very good sense.

Nice to read you, HS.

 
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Room 215Re: Propaganda and the WTS
I suppose that their apprehension about events in France, and worse still, their ramifications and possibility of reverberation throughout the EC well explains their abortive, clandestine rapprochement with the UN and the ameliorating of much of their  most strident anti-government rhetoric.
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caspianRe: Propaganda and the WTS

HS Excellent post, as usual you are very well informed.

Stephen Hardy at London has until recently been wringing his hands about the the whole debacle,

Something has changed though in the past few weeks, there is a different air about Legal at London almost a cocky attitude.

They have taken on a new human rights barrister.

It will be interesting to see what highly paid advice they have taken. Thats all I know for now

Watch this space

 

Cas
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hillary_stepRe: Propaganda and the WTS

Thank you all for your kind words.

Caspian,

I believe the WTS will win its case in the European Court Of Human Rights if only to counter the worrying precedents being set in some of the Balkan Lands where the erosion of civil liberties are concerned. Many of these countries are seeking membership of the EEC. Whatever your view of the WTS is, what has happened in Georgia is an outrageous attack on civil liberties. However, the WTS will *never* win against the French Government which is already firmly set on its anti-cult course, with the backing it must be said, of large parts of the Belgium and smaller parts of the German government.

France has suffered for many years from internal terrorist attacks by extreme Muslim factions. They are not persecuting the WTS which is just one of many groups put on notice by a Government which has the courage to try to curtail the excesses of anti-social religions and high control groups like the Scientologists. As religions like the WTS cannot function without the feeling that it is the 'World against Me', they obviously think all the other groups singled out by France are just a Satanic smoke-screen to get to the real target - Gods true Organization.

Bye the bye, do you hear much of David Judd these days?

Best regards - HS

 

 
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Winston Smith :>DRe: Propaganda and the WTS

HS,

A very well written post. Thank you.

I’ve wanted to comment on that very WT article. I’m glad you did it for me. IMHO, this quote is another great example of the WTS’ propaganda machine in action:

Propagandists often use the word like "sect" to stigmatize others. In a recommendation to the Parliamentary Assembly Of The Council Of Europe, a suggestion was made that the authorities who investigate new religious groups "would be well advised to forgo using this term

Who made the suggestion? What authority on ‘cults’ approached the PACE with this recommendation that helps the WTS cause?

The reader of the article is led to believe that someone else besides the WTS approached the PACE with this suggestion about cults. An authority who echoes the WTS cause. An authority that Jehover is maneuvering like a puppet to help His Earthly Organization’s cause.

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With the authority never being identified, that’s what the reader is left to conclude.

But the reality of the matter is that the WTS is pleading the PACE themselves, but that is never said. And what is left unsaid and left for the reader to then assume is the one of the highest crimes that is committed on the victim reader of the article.

The WTS is an expert at this type of propaganda.

Quotes are cited without any references. And the reader is left to assume the goodwill and intent of the WTS.

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The WTS articles are written is such a way not unlike a person running through a marathon race through a major city.

You run here, then you run over there, then over to the next street. And along the way you are handed glasses to drink of what you assume are filled with water.

But the WTS is really slipping you water mixed with alcohol. Oh, at first you get the water straight up. But eventually alcohol starts to be slipped in. And each glass farther along the race has less and less water and more and more alcohol. By the end, you look back in a drunken stupor not knowing what happened.

You never realize that you were being slipped Mickey Finn’s all along.

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This type of BS propaganda is the first reason I starting Q’ing the WTS. I believed everything they wrote. Not until I started to smell the propaganda did I realize that I’ve been slipped Mickeys all along.

The WTS starts off with some credible sounding info, but then switches gears and starts inserting half-truths. By the end of an article, the WTS is stating complete lies based on the previously mentioned half-truths.

It makes me sick.

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HS, keep us posted on this. And Caspian too. I want to see the WTS called the Spade as they really are.

Winston.
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