The "F" word.. (page 3)

teejay

Color me confused. I just don't get it. What is the group fascination with longwinded and condescending posters? Thunder -- Thunder Rider

I like Farkel and, outside of Maximus and AlanF, I don't think anyone has contributed more. – Big Tex

I've been wanting to get this off my chest for a long, long time and here in this thread is as good a time as any.

First lemme say, "Yeah. What Thunder Rider said," and "Yeah... what Big Tex said"... but for different reasons.

Now, the big stuff...

It's true. Over the years folks like Norm, JanH, and kent (the great Norwegian Trinity); Farkel; and AlanF have written many commentaries, exposes, essays... whatever you want to call them, that – like literary laser beams – accurately and pointedly exposed the fallacies of the Watchtower Society's peculiar brand of Christianity. And written them well, I might add. Hundreds of thousands of words, millions maybe – and I haven't done more than scanned any of them.

Ever since the lights went on for me, reading the commentaries of ex-JWs has always been as distasteful as reading the watchtower and awake themselves. And that's what makes me wonder about the thousands who have been "helped" by reading them. After reading the pivotal Crisis of Conscience and learning 'firsthand' what really went on behind the scenes, I personally forever threw off the shackles of allowing myself to ever be guided again by the thoughts—and thought processes—of another human being, no matter how eloquent. Just give me the facts and let me figure it out for myself.

I could be wrong and forgive me if I am, but IMO people aren't really free if seeing new truths can only be accomplished by reading another's words. Such ones have simply exchanged one leader for another. They are in a position of forever allowing themselves to be led – if not by the Watchtower Society, then by another individual or group. I mean no offense, but the Cult of Farkel is no different than the Cult of AlanF. And the Cult of AlanF is no different than the Cult of Charles Taze Russell or the WtB&TS. Until a person is willing to step out on that mental limb and truly risk being "wrong" and thinking for oneself, they are subject to being forever led by someone else.

Why exchange one leader(s) for another? Why not, instead, completely throw off the follower mind-set and think for yourself? It's a widespread aspect of the ex-JW community that I've never been able to come close to understanding.

IslandWoman

Teejay,

I could be wrong and forgive me if I am, but IMO people aren't really free if seeing new truths can only be accomplished by reading another's words. Such ones have simply exchanged one leader for another. They are in a position of forever allowing themselves to be led – if not by the Watchtower Society, then by another individual or group. I mean no offense, but the Cult of Farkel is no different than the Cult of AlanF. And the Cult of AlanF is no different than the Cult of Charles Taze Russell or the WtB&TS. Until a person is willing to step out on that mental limb and truly risk being "wrong" and thinking for oneself, they are subject to being forever led by someone else.
Why exchange one leader(s) for another? Why not, instead, completely throw off the follower mind-set and think for yourself? It's a widespread aspect of the ex-JW community that I've never been able to come close to understanding.

Thanks for a great post. In my opinion, you wrote the most important truth ever stated on this board. As long we follow we will never really be free, free in our thoughts and minds, free to think independently of others. And free to say what we think, even though to others it seems we are going against the current.

IW

Englishman

Teejay is right IMHO. I have never been a follower of anyone since leaving dubdom. You won't find any posts by me praising any of the aforementioned guys. As Hillary Step put it so well, some of us are not remotely team-players, preferring to find our own levels without the need for some sort of group acceptance. I'm a social animal who doesn't look for the approval of his peers, which I guess is slightly unusual. If I think that someone is behaving like an asshole I'm happy to say so, which does occasionally upset one or two people.

Englishman.

SheilaM

Teejay: <now sit down you might faint> I agree completely with you.

Xandria

Good job Brummie,

You got the F word of the Alphabet right .. and C is for Cookie that is good enough for me.

I can tell you are learning from Sesame Street. Kiiddddding .. sheesh don't get your knickers in a twist. Unless of course you want too.

X.

Brummie

hahah Xandria, this thread has been brought to you in association with the letter F and the number 6 (66).

F is also for Fluff...which is the real prank behind this thread.

I agree with TJ 100%.

Brummie

Guest 77

TJ, those were my exact thoughts!

Guest 77

riz

Now there's gonna be a Cult of Teejay

Teej, you are absolutely correct. I, for example, left the jWs all on my own. I had been out for about five years before I even had a computer. I didn't even know these forums existed until I had been out for a long time.

I left because I wanted to, not because of something I read on an internet forum. I'd venture a guess that that's the case with most folks here.

This isn't being said to diminish the time and effort it takes to write those essays. But when the authors are put on a pedestal and basically worshipped, it makes me wonder if these folks didn't learn what is, in my opinion, the biggest lesson to be learned from being a witness. Quit being a follower.

RevMalk

I believe these words are the 'truest' I've ever seen on these boards:

...... people aren't really free if seeing new truths can only be accomplished by reading another's words

Excellent post! How do I sign up?

Rev

nilfun

Who's worshipping Farkel?

The "F" word..

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