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betweenworlds  We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

I read this quote at Tom's site (Thanks Tom!) and then looked it up for myself on the WT CD. This is truly disturbing and shows their true mindset....
This is from the Nov. !5th 1952 question from readers. This is directly from the CD btw:
 

Questions from Readers

• In the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?—P. C., Ontario, Canada.

We are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from God and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of Israel in the wilderness of Sinai and in the land of Palestine. "Thou shalt surely kill him; thy hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people. And thou shalt stone him to death with stones, because he hath sought to draw thee away from Jehovah thy God, . . . And all Israel shall hear, and fear, and shall do no more any such wickedness as this is in the midst of thee."—Deut. 13:6-11, AS.

Being limited by the laws of the worldly nation in which we live and also by the laws of God through Jesus Christ, we can take action against apostates only to a certain extent, that is, consistent with both sets of laws. The law of the land and God’s law through Christ forbid us to kill apostates, even though they be members of our own flesh-and-blood family relationship. However, God’s law requires us to recognize their being disfellowshiped from his congregation, and this despite the fact that the law of the land in which we live requires us under some natural obligation to live with and have dealings with such apostates under the same roof.

 

So if it wasn't for the pesky laws of the land in which we live, and that most inconvenient new covenent that Jesus brought about to get rid of the old law, we'd just kill 'em!! But well seeing as we can't (drat) We'll just make em WISH they were dead.

Those evil, evil old men who still wish they were living by the law code! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR. THey are SO blood guilty for all the lives they have controlled and destroyed with their law making. This is truly the most disturbing thing I've read yet. Their own words are truly their worst enemy.

 

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bittersweetRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
WTF?!    Is this for real? Gosh, guess we should be lucky we have laws nowadays that don't allow stonings,eh? Sheeesh
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NameWithheldRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Hey I used to get the 'you better be glad we aren't in Isreal because we would have to stone you for what you just did' speech all the time when I was a kid.  Usually for things like hiding evil demonic cassette tapes (like Depeche Mode, INXS, etc) from them.  Or (gasp) watching R rated movies.  Them Jehovers seem to have a great desire to stone people, oh if it weren't for those pesky USA laws that forbide parents from killing children.

Boy, I got such warm fuzzys from the love I felt in those statements...
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betweenworldsRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Unfortunately it is very real...I couldn't believe it myself until I looked it up on their very own 2001 Watchtower Library CD. The quote I posted is taken directly from that CD, their own publication.

bw
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ashitakaRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

LOL......could someone use this in a court case please...perhaps a  court case that has a person who was sexually abused and is now officially called an apostate?  This could be some interesting stuff.

ash
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wednesdayRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Between,

would u post Tom's site URl?

yes but for the laws of  the free world, we would all be stoned.

What a hateful religion ,then and now.
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NameWithheldRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
Oh and silly me thought that the whole Jesus thing did away with the Mosaic "sacrifice everything that moves" Law thing.  But of course the WTBTS wishes it could bring back the old law, then they could complete their metamorphesis into the Pharasies of old. 
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betweenworldsRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Sure thing... here's his site:

http://www.intrex.net/talley/WT_Love.html
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rocketmanRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
Yep, it's a very real statement, quoted previously on this site and others. Nice people, huh?
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GerardRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Any doubt left this is a harmful cult?

 
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onacruseRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

BW, I distinctly recall that QfR, from my "read every WTS publication I could get my hands on" youth. There have occasionally been threads started here about whether JWs would kill if the WTS told them to, and generally the posts have been "no way, impossible, ridiculous." Your quote makes it clear that, at least at one time, the WTS did in fact propose such a scenario. The same subliminal message in the following quote:

*** w66 11/1 p. 672 Missionaries Who Give Free ***

The program also included upbuilding music and singing by the student body, the showing of slides by President Knorr in which the missionary accomplishments of the Society thus far were depicted, and finally an excellent dramatic presentation by the students entitled "Let Us Conform Ourselves to God’s Eternal Principles." At the gate of an Israelite city it showed three judges hearing a case involving the alleged accidental death of a fellow Israelite. God’s laws had been broken. There had been false testimony, bribery, blackmail, bloodguilt. The older men listened to witnesses, sifted the evidence, and brought in a judgment against the wrongdoers—death by stoning for two of them.

As those judges of Israel conscientiously administered God’s righteous requirements for his congregation, so congregation committees of our day have to do. The backdrop provided by artists and the realistic costumes worn by the student actors served to make this powerful drama live. The same deep-lying and eternal principles of God apply in our day. Only by conforming our lives to Jehovah’s will can we gain peace and happiness.

"Kill them all, and let God sort them out."

Craig
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betweenworldsRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
As those judges of Israel conscientiously administered God’s righteous requirements for his congregation, so congregation committees of our day have to do.

Thanks for that quote Ona!

More proof that they want to live by the old law!
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JamesThomasRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
There are many people who would harm no one. Then there are those who will fly airliners into buildings, or separate themselves from their families and rejoice at the deaths of those not like them, all in the name of their tiny and flaccid god.
 
I have said it here before. In my view the belief and worship of an anthropomorphic god of war, is the root cause of mans inhumanity to man. If the one you worship, the "most high", is a killer, then the door is left wide open for you.
 
 
JamesT
 
 
"Religion as practiced today deals in punishments and rewards.
 In other words, it breeds fear and greed -- the two things
 most destructive of spirituality."  -- Anthony De Mello
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betweenworldsRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
I have said it here before. In my view the belief and worship of an anthropomorphic god of war, is the root cause of mans inhumanity to man. If the one you worship, the "most high", is a killer, then the door is left wide open for you.
Amen to that JT! When you speak in the name of that blood thirsty god nothing that is done is surprising.
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calamityjaneRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
Geez, I sure hope I don't run into my parents while shopping, might be bloodshed, but maybe the evil looks are enough to kill me.
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OUTLAWRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
WBTS would kill us if not for the laws of the land..Now there`s a suprise....WBTS dosen`t mind supplying the military machine with engines to fly their "smart bombs" to kill people..WBTS dosen`t mind watching JW`s die so they don`t break WBTS rules..It`s a whole lot easier for WBTS to kill JW`s than so called apostates..JW`s willingly walk to the slaughter,so called apostates fight back...WBTS dosen`t mind killing people in a war,or allowing people to die for the WBTS religion..It`s legal....If your going to slaughter people make sure it`s legal..WBTS does...OUTLAW
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cruzanheartRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
 realistic costumes worn by the student actors

You'll notice that no mention was made of their acting talents.

Nina
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Makena1Re: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

Some might argue that the Borg has become kinder and gentler since that 1952 WT was written.  NOT!  If anything it's become more hypocritical - saying publicly that they do not break up families by shunning - while in practice at the local KH families are breaking up, people are committing suicide etc.

Yes, let me put my life in the hands of "cheese and cracker men (love that line JT)" who cannot even wash a window without leaving streaks:  "As those judges of Israel conscientiously administered God’s righteous requirements for his congregation, so congregation committees of our day have to do

Scarey stuff.  Not unlike the follow link that alludes to that awful slogan - "Kill a queer for Christ"

http://www.whosoever.org/editorial/terror.html

Lord, save me from your followers,

 

Mak
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anti-absolutistRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....

JT,

     I like your comment regarding how they view God.  My own personal opinion is that most ORGANIZED religions do this to a certain extent.  JW's are way up near the top in the degree to which they celebrate the evil atrocities of their God (past and present), but most religions also do.

     I 'm not against people needing to look to a higher power for guidance to help them through life, but when it involves hate and even the love of pain (emotional or physical),  these people truly are living very shallow lives spiritually.  It is frustrating, for sure to be shunned by my family, but I also feel for their evident lack of a deeper understanding of what spirituality is all about.

Brad 
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mattnoelRe: We'd Like to KILL the apostates, but we can't....
My God ! I could not believe what I was just reading ! how dare they feel that they have even the right to think about "exterminating" us.  They are the ones to be wiped out. 
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