Finally received our "shepherding call" today

by Jourles 47 Replies latest jw friends

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    It was inevitable. After dodging the bullet for a few weeks, the elders finally made their way to our house today. At first I thought I wanted to get them to come sometime after March, you know - put a kink in their 'theocratic arrangement,' but they were too insistent on coming this month regardless of our circumstances.

    We started off with a little chit-chat about this and that and the one elder who led the call informed us directly that the visit was primarily for my benefit, not the wifes. He said that they were there under the direction of the Society to visit all inactive ones. He handed out to us a homemade typed piece of paper with a few lines and scriptures annotated on it. The topics were simple and to the point. He had in his hand an original document which looked like something given to him from the CO, I'm guessing, as there was no Corporate print at the top. His paper seemed to be the outline for what he gave to us. Quite simply, our sheets contained various examples of "lost sheep" and refered to Acts 20:28 three times.

    ***

    Rbi8 Acts 20:28 ***

    28Pay attention to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the holy spirit has appointed YOU overseers, to shepherd the congregation of God, which he purchased with the blood of his own [Son].

    The overall theme of the paper was that the elders were making these calls because they did not want to be bloodguilty by not reaching out and finding inactive ones and helping them. Which then led into the reason for the call... Unbeknownst to me, it seems that the lead elder already took it upon himself to assign me to an elder in the hall(the one accompanying him today) to go over topics in the new Worship book. What irked me about it was that he practically said that I was going to study this book with my assigned elder. He went into how we didn't have to study each chapter in succession from beginning to end, but I could pick out whatever I wanted to study. He then asked for my opinion on the matter.

    Here was my crisis of conscience. After he asked for my opinion and all eyes were then on me, I paused and looked down for what seemed to be like a minute or so.(At this point, soooo many thoughts were running through my head as to what I was going to say. Should I just say "no, thank you" and leave it at that? Should I speak right up and say I don't believe this and that anymore? Why in the hell did he automatically presume that I would study this book?) I raised my head and said(paraphrasing here), "I really have a good foundation on the topics in this book already. It is almost a word-for-word copy of the United in Worship book which I have been through several times. I have other topics that I am interested in that I would rather go over which are not covered in this book. Topics that I have been researching myself." Both elders looked a little worried after I said that, and they did somewhat of a nervous shift in their chairs. They didn't ask me what it was that I wanted to go over, but instead, the lead elder told his fellow elder(my assigned one) that we should make arrangements on the side to meet up and discuss whatever it is that I want to bring up. He did stress that we meet weekly and to not miss hooking up.

    In the end, the lead elder talked about how he had to make a report back to the CO on all the visits. It seems that in these reports, the elders have to write down the 'heart condition' of those inactive. The reason I think this to be so, is because he asked me what he should write down for my report. He was being jocular the way he said it, but I know it was true. He said, "So it would be ok with you if I wrote down you were doing cartwheels over this visit?" I didn't care one way or the other what he wrote down. I knew he was simply following orders from the top. Nothing more, nothing less.

    In the past, I recall shepherding visits that encompassed more material than today's visit. I remember getting encouragement to attend the meetings, to go out in field service, hold family studies, and to pray more. I was expecting those very same encouragements today. But they were never brought up. The basis of their visit was shrouded in a "shepherding call." That is what they called it. This was no shepherding call. Here I am inactive, yet they did not ask me if I needed help in going out in service. No encouragement to rejoin the school. No questions to see if the wife and I study regularly or read the bible together. Like they said, this call was directed towards me, not my wife. But in the end, they only wanted me to study a book. That was it.

    And by the way, I did record the visit. Nothing exciting happened, but you never know.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Jourles:

    Both elders looked a little worried after I said that, and they did somewhat of a nervous shift in their chairs.

    Oh yeah. Move outside their "assignment," and they don't know what to do. Talk about automatons; really, it's pathetic. You handled that visit quite well, imho.

    This was no shepherding call.

    I agree. I suspect that, in spite of your judicious dissembling, they will be back in the form of an "investigative committee."

    And by the way, I did record the visit. Nothing exciting happened, but you never know.

    It may well be that your recording will have greater usefulness than you anticipate. There have been some comments, which I suspect you may already have seen, that preliminary moves are being taken in the direction of class action suits against the WTS.

    If I'd only kept similar records.

    Continued good luck to you.

    Craig

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    Hi Craig,

    I suspect that, in spite of your judicious dissembling, they will be back in the form of an "investigative committee."

    I really don't think so. The visit didn't come across that way by the time it ended. The brother assigned to me is one that we do quite a few things with normally. His family was the first that we took to when we moved into the territory. Knowing this elder, I can already see our "studies" fizzing out within a few weeks. He is the type that if I don't bring anything up, he won't ask. He will just plug along like everything is ok.

    It may well be that your recording will have greater usefulness than you anticipate. There have been some comments, which I suspect you may already have seen, that preliminary moves are being taken in the direction of class action suits against the WTS.
    I don't know. As I mentioned previously, there was no debating whatsoever or emotionally charged statements made by anyone. This was a quick one-hour visit with them trying to get me to study the new Worship book. Nothing was said that could be used in a suit, at least nothing that I remember.
  • onacruse
    onacruse

    Jourles: I certainly do hope that this all turns out well for you. I was speaking only from my personal experience. If I may comment a little more:

    The brother assigned to me is one that we do quite a few things with normally.

    The elder that eventually turned on me and spear-headed the (ultimately) efforts to get me DFd was also a friend. He often sincerely praised me for my intense interest in Bible study, and I took him into my confidence. In response, he transformed into a dispassionate enforcer of WTS policy. I paid the price for being a wysiwyg.

    Nothing was said that could be used in a suit, at least nothing that I remember.

    It never occurred to me, in the heat of the committee battles, that so many violations of published WTS policy were happening. For example, when I asked for the names of the "witnesses" against me, they not only refused to identify the accusers, but also refused to allow me to call my accusers to a subsequent meeting. Also, previously "resolved" issues were brought back to life, in a very legalistic format.

    My only concern here is for your safe course past what, hopefully, will be nothing more than a bump in the road.

    As you already have been, please watch your 6.

    Craig

  • blackout
    blackout

    This is very interesting.

    We recently had a phone call from elders in our new congregation which we have never attended after moving into their territory. They wanted to do a 'shepherding call' we were immediately suspicious and thought somone had 'dobbed us in' for something.

    My husband told them in a very polite and friendly tone that we were quite happy and fully understood our current position and don't really need a call, thanks all the same. The Elder said ' I will have to see if we can accept that.' or something very similar. So now we are not sure whats going to happen but we hope that's the end of matters.

    I wonder what they'll put about our heart condition?

  • blondie
    blondie

    The elders are being pressured big time to call on the inactive ones. Some congregations had the habit of not even including the inactive cards in the publishers record card box for the CO visit. The last CO chewed out all the elder bodies that did that and demanded that the cards be put back. Evidently, the secretary thought it made the congregation record look better if the inactives were ignored statistically.

    Next week's WT study article is hammering the lost sheep out of 100 and the lost coin out of ten, saying the elders and the rest of the congregation should value these.

    Talk, talk, talk, that is all it is, TALK. Even the elders calling on you, Jourles, are just going through the motions so the stats they turn in look good. Just the appearance of righteousness but not heartfelt. If someone were to hand me a photocopied list of scriptures, I would hand it back. If they wouldn't take it, then it should rip it up and say that Jesus would never hand someone a photocopied list of scriptures. It is like someone inviting you for dinner and handing you a frozen TV dinner.

    Well, Jourles, do what you need to do. We came home and found March's KMs shoved under the door. We missed an unannounced visit by some elder(s) even though I have requested that they call first. But I am just a lowly sister with an attitude.

    Blondie

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    For those who've expressed some caution, I believe it's warranted. Think about it, under what circumstances do two elders make a call together? It's the routine practice for investigating elders as a precursor to a JC.

    Appearing pleasant is all part of the act. It's standard practice.

    There's no getting away from the instructions that BOE have been given to 'regularise' the inactive files. Either they're "in", and or they're "out" (DA). These are the instructions that branches have been passing on to BOE and COs.

    Sooner or later those friendly visitors will have to ask for your opinion of the role of the WTS i.e. ido you recognise it as the FDS? That's what they're instructed to ask. There's no hiding from that.

    Cheers, Ozzie

  • Shakita
    Shakita

    Heart condition............they wouldn't even be in your home unless they were being told from the society to be there. They could care less about your heart condition. What they do care about is how they look at the next meeting with the CO when they discuss how the meeting went with the inactive ones.

    We have had a few visits from the elders in recent weeks. We are not opening our door. These are people who we thought were our friends. We will not subject ourselves to a barrage of questions that are none of their business. What our heart condition is, is none of their business. When we were going through some tough times recently, these friends were no where in sight. So, we are only giving them the same attention that they gave to us....non-existent. JW friends are no friends at all.

    Blondie said:

    If someone were to hand me a photocopied list of scriptures, I would hand it back. If they wouldn't take it, then it should rip it up and say that Jesus would never hand someone a photocopied list of scriptures. It is like someone inviting you for dinner and handing you a frozen TV dinner.

    Right on the money.

    Mrs. Shakita

  • Aztec
    Aztec

    Wow Jourles! I don't get into these discussions much because it's been so long since I attended a meeting, I wouldn't know what to say if I got a shepherding call. But I do care about you and hope the best for you so please take care and contact me on yahoo if you need to okay? ~Aztec

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    Mrs. Shakita Wrote:

    JW friends are no friends at all.

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