"Oooh, the end is getting so close!! We have to keep staying close to the organization or we could fall away too! Satan sure is busy, cause he knows he doesn't have much time left!"

 

etcetera, etcetera

Nice.  Answering a question with a question always leads the conversation.

Sometimes yes/sometimes no means no to them - careful with that one.

The "I don't know, what do YOU think" is a classic, though.  If they ARE bold enough to say you are not, make sure you don't agree with them.  Keep asking questions:

"Really, why not?"

blahblahblah

"But why does that make you think I'm not a JW?"

blahblahblah

"But based on what direction have you made that connection?"

blahblahblah

"But how do you know that is accurate divine direction?"

{angry}BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

"But why does that make you think I'm not a JW?"

BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH

"But based on what direction have you made that connection?"

lololol, etc.

I'm curious how the average JW will perceive this and respond to it.

the way they always do, NEW LIGHT AND JAH IS CLEANING out his house, which means we are DEEP IN THE LAST DAYS -

 

don't miss any meeting , and turn in your time

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this issue was discussed at length right after the wt shifted blood from a DFing offense to a DAing offense

 

 

this is why i keep telling folks don't be writing no DAing letter to wt  - any action taken should be taken from thier end-

 

the entire concept of DAing is the greatest invention to come out of the Legal Dept in years

 

being that blood is such a hot issue legal saw the need to remove any action on the part of their reps the elders as taking an aggressive stand against someone who took blood

 

previously a person could claim if i take blood they will haul me into a judical meeeting no camera, no recorder, no lawyer, etc and then they will grill me to death - with that the normal way it was handled

 

it could be argued in court in some countries that a jw refused blood due to fear and intimidation from the church

it has become so important to legal desk that the writing and service dept impliment new dogma and procedures that dont give the APPEARANCE the the indiviual jw is being corieced or force to comply due to being hauled in to the body of elder

 

as i have tried time and time again to explain the concept behind DAing- so many former jw unbeknown to them too many times ARE DOING EXACTLY WHAT THE WT WANTS

 even on ones way out of wt they still BOW BEFORE THE SERVICE DEPT ALTER ON THE WAY OUT

 

by writing a personal letter it FREES WT OF LIABLE ISSUE

 for if the day everycomes when wt can be sued for it's goofy dogmas the hell if i'm going to sign avway my Civil Rights to get money ,esp since they pimped all of us

but at any rate when this thread was discussed we talked about the clear direction that the service dept is going

 BY  moving more issues from a DFing offense to a DA offense they can get the same results without the same legal issues

and this very thing of asking inactive ones DO YOU WANT HELP

 

I still see the following or a variation of it taking place:

for those of you who were around in sept 81 when we had the DFing Articles where the wt went into 3 study articles on DFing

 

i see the same again - another powerful articles

 WHOSE SIDE ARE YOU ON JEHOVAH'S OR SATAN

 

 and within this article they will use the words of peter to say that a good jw will not be INACTIVE-

AND that we need to decide whatside we are on

in the study article they will go to great lengths to show that jw has always tried to help those who have fallen,but we MUST RESPOND TO THAT HELP and  ANYONE WHO REJECTS it is turning their back on jah who is reaching out to them and should be viewed as no longer a jw for we don't  REJECT ANY OF JAH ARRANGEMENTS AND THIS IS HIS ARRANGEMENT

 

 and what form does that help take place today--the older men--  and how do you respond-

then they will say the elders will be receiving special instructions on how to  REACH OUT TO SUCH ONES -

 

at this point the service dept will inform the elders to  complie a list of all inactive

 

when i was the SEC we had 127 publisher and in the upstairs storage we had a box of old cards of over 200 cards of deceased, folks who moved ,but mainly inactive ones living right in the terrirtory who were never DFed or any thing

 

i can see them breaking it down by bookstudies and calling on everyone and asking them the following

 

 DO YOU WANT HELP and if the answer is yes a publisher will be assigned to you to get you back in the swing of things, the elders will be able to allow TIME TO BE COUNTED BY ANYONE, not just the pioneers, showing just how serious jw is about reaching out one last time before the  DOOR OF THE SYMBOLIC ARK IS SHUT

 If the person says NO THANKS they will be told that they are rejecting jah arrangement and therefore rejecting jah himself and  WE CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT YOU NO LONGER WANT TO BE KNOWN AS A JW

 

 we will inform the congo of your decision not to accept the help that jah is offering 

AND THEY  will be DAed and the elders will not even have to lift a finger to do it

 

and i firmly believe that we will see less and less DFing offenses as they are shifted to the DAing list instead

 

and based on what we are reading here from folks still attending we can clearly see things shaping up in that direction

 

 

It scary to think-  Are they going to start DA'ing the young children who got baptized at 8,9,10 early teens?  What is that going to do to their emotional well being when they didn't have a clue what they were doing in the first place.  That is just pure evil.

As far as hearing lots of DA'ing announcements in the halls, perhaps that will help people think.

WHILE I  agree that for some it will start them to questioning , but based on how the wt indoctrination process works the far vast majority will SHUDDER IN FEAR

  consider this, we are talking about INACTIVE JW folks who are already viewed as being weak, spiritual dead, and doing NOTHING TO BRING -PRAISE TO JAH-

so when they walk up there after being prepared by the wt to expect folks to turntheir backs on jah  they will not be impressed when they read off, sister johnson, who has been inactive for 4 yrs, bro jones who used to be an elder, was deleted and has been inactive ever since and the list will go on- unless the folks getting DAed are movers and shakers in the congo, causing folks to perhaps stop and pause, bro and sister davis, he was an elder and she a pioneer are da, what the hell is going on-

but when they read off the names of folks who are already PERCIEVED to be spiritual Flunkies

 

it will not cause even a stir beyond JAH IS CLEANING THEM OUT, I'M GLAD I WAITED ON JAH

My advice (of course) was to skip the meeting entirely

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EXCELLENT PLEASE FOLKS -

 

do not meet with the Cheese Cracker Men YOU WILL LOSE- if you are not ready to tell them what you think then avoid them  THEY CAN'T FORCE YOU TO MEET if you have something else to do

 

once on their terf, it is very hard to control things- i know i used to sit across the table from apostates and folks trying to slid by and if the elders are sharp they will roast you- and there is no reason to subject yourself to Cheese Cracker Men

 unless they are bringing some wine with that cheese and cracker

then I wonder if their annual Service Report would reflect the DECREASE in the amount of JW's?

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it shouldn't remember wt only counts ACTIVE PROCLAIMERS

 An inactive person who has not been tothe hall in 2yrs is not beingcounted anyway

 

 

so it will not impact their numbers - this focus is on those trying to slip away

You are correct. Thank you for the clarification.

Although we ALL know that those service report numbers are fabrications. (how many people put false hours on their time slip before? I know I did. )

 

That's true, Big Tex.  But then she is not listed officially as inactive on her card and shoved to the back of the box (or in some cases taken out of the box).  It is only the "inactive ones" they are concentrating on, the ones officially listed as inactive on their publishers cards. 

Even the DA'd and DF'd publisher cards are kept.  The elders have been directed to call on these ones once a year to "encourage" them to come back.  They even have a portion of an elders' meeting devoted to determining who the lucky ones will be and which lucky elders get to call on them.

Blondie

PS  It is hard to turn in time when you haven't attended any meetings for 6 months.  Most elder bodies I know require some meeting attendance before accepting report slips.  You can lie about service time, but your meeting attendance is hard to fake unless you visit other congregations frequently.

Edited by - Blondie on 16 December 2002 14:15:53