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NAZI SS Chief Himmler was an admirer of the JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

According to Rudolf Hoess, Commandant of Auschwitz, SS Chief Heinrich Himmler often used the 'fanatical faith" of Jehovah's Witnesses as an example to his own SS troops. In his view, SS men had to have the same 'unshakable faith' in the National Socialist ideal and in Adolf Hitler that the Witnesses had in Jehovah. Only when all SS men believed as fanatically in their own philosophy would Adolf Hitler's state be permanently secure.

- http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/people/ushmmjeh.htm

The source is an unimpeachable educational institution, with no trace of anti-WTBTS bias. For those of you less knowledgeable about world history, Auschwitz was the largest Nazi extermination camp... over a million innocent people, most of them Jews, and two-thirds of them women and children, were butchered within its perimeter.

Surprised at the connection? The recognition of JW fanaticism? Why should you be? Or did you not know that the precious, holier-than-thou Watchtower had sucked up to the Nazis (in full knowledge of what the Nazis represented)? Each entity, on the face of it so different from the other, was only too aware of the other's existence and "qualities".

The admiration was mutual. And some ideals were truly shared. I'll prove my assertions.

Here is an accurate translation from an official letter in 1933 from the Watchtower Society H.Q. to German Fuehrer and Nazi leader ADOLF HITLER, where the Watchtower actively associates itself with the Nazis:

The Brooklyn headquarters of the Watchtower Society is pro-German in an exemplary way and has been so for many years. For that reason, in 1918, the president of the Society and seven members of the board of directors were sentenced to 80 years in prison, because the president refused to use two of the magazines published in America under his direction for war propaganda against Germany. These two magazines, 'The Watchtower' and 'Bible Student' were the only magazines in America which refused to engage in anti-German propaganda and for that reason were prohibited and suppressed in America during the war. In the very same manner, in course of the recent months the board of directors of our Society not only refused to engage in propaganda against Germany, but has even taken a position against it. The enclosed declaration underlines this fact and emphasizes that the people leading in such propaganda (Jewish businessmen and Catholics) also are the most rigorous persecutors of the work of our Society and its board of directors. This and other statements of the declaration are meant to repudiate the slanderous accusation that Bible Researchers are supported by the Jews... the Bible Researchers of Germany are fighting for the very same high ethical goals and ideals which also the national government of the German Reich proclaimed... The conference came to the conclusion that there are no contradictions when it comes to the relationship between the Bible Researchers of Germany to the national government of the German Reich. On the contrary, referring to the purely religious and non-political goals and efforts of the Bible Researchers, it can be said that these are in full agreement with the identical goals of the national government of the German Reich.. What is written in our literature - no matter whether from a financial or political point of view - is only directed towards the oppressors of the German people and their country, and by no means refers to Germany itself, which is trying hard to fight against the imposed burdens. Therefore the ban imposed upon these books is completely unjustified.. we ask Mr. Reichskanzler to appoint a commission of men who do not have any religious prejudice against us - men who do not have professional religious interests but are solely interested to comply with the just principles as they were set up by the Reichskanzler himself - to investigate our situation impartially. For the principles mentioned, refer to paragraph 24 of the program of the National Socialistic German Party of Workers, which reads: '.. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit inside and outside of us ..' .. Yours faithfully, Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, Magdeburg.

An image of the original may be examined on the Watchtower Observer website. The "Reichskanzler" is the Reich Chancellor, Adolf Hitler.

And now this is from pages 130-8 of the Jehovah's Witnesses 1934 Yearbook, published by the Watchtower in New York, in the section dealing with Germany:

In June, the president of the Society visited Germany to take some action to get the Society's property restored to our possession ... on the 25th day of June, 1933, more than 7,000 of Jehovah's witnesses assembled at Berlin and unanimously adopted the resolution, millions of which were printed and distributed throughout Germany. That resolution is as follows, to wit: 'Declaration of Facts'.. The greatest and the most oppressive empire on earth is the Anglo-American empire. By that is meant the British Empire, of which the United States of America forms a part. It has been the commercial Jews of the British-American empire that have built up and carried on Big Business as a means of exploiting and oppressing the peoples of many nations. This fact particularly applies to the cities of London and New York, the stronghold of Big Business. This fact is so manifest in America that there is a proverb concerning the city of New York which says: 'The Jews own it, the Irish Catholics rule it, and the Americans pay the bills.' ... we are compelled to call attention to the truth concerning the same ... the British Empire and in America the common people have suffered and are now suffering greatly because of the misrule of Big Businesses and conscienceless politicians, which misrule has been and is supported by political religionists ... the present government of Germany has declared emphatically against Big Business oppressors and in opposition to the wrongful religious influence in the political affairs of the nations. Such is exactly our position ... Instead of being against the principles advocated by the government of Germany, we stand squarely for such principles, and point out that Jehovah God through Christ Jesus will bring about the full realization of these principles ... there are no opposing views .. but that, to the contrary, respecting the purely religious and apolitical goals ... these are in complete harmony with [those of] the National Government of the German Reich.. A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained ... Let us remind the government and the people of Germany, that it was the League of Nations compact that laid upon the shoulders of the German people the great unjust and unbearable burdens. That the League of Nations compact was not brought forth by the friends of Germany.

The Watchtower would ally itself with Satan himself if that would preserve or increase its wealth and property... How different was Jesus!

A full NINE YEARS prior to the Watchtower's alignment of themselves with the apolitical and religious ideals and goals of Hitler and the Nazis (the abbreviation for the German rendition of "National Socialists") Adolf Hitler had in 1924 written and published his book "Mein Kampf", an immediate bestseller (and soon after an international bestseller), which set out with perfect clarity his goals, political and apolitical. Let us have some samples of some of Hitler's religious and apolitical ideals that the Watchtower endorsed - and which they GUARANTEED "JEHOVAH GOD" WOULD DELIVER TO THE NAZIS - from Hitler's hugely circulated words from 1924:

Was there any shady undertaking, any form of foulness, especially in cultural life, in which at least one Jew did not participate? On putting the probing knife carefully to that kind of abscess one immediately discovered, like a maggot in a putrescent body, a little Jew who was often blinded by the sudden light.. In standing guard against the Jew I am defending the handiwork of the Lord.. To claim that in the presentation of facts and views its attitude was impartial seemed to me to contain more falsehood than truth. The writers were - Jews.. that parasitic nation which, particularly at the present time preys upon the honest portion of mankind; I mean the Jews.. the Jews had actually become 'indispensable'. Like leeches, they were slowly sucking the blood from the pores of the national body.. There is no such thing as coming to an understanding with the Jews. It must be the hard-and-fast 'Either-Or.'.. the Jews, with their unqualified capacity for falsehood.. completely lack the most essential pre-requisite of a cultural people, namely the idealistic spirit.. betrayers .. inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they are more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie .. one of the greatest thinkers that mankind has produced has branded the Jews for all time with a statement which is profoundly and exactly true .. called the Jew 'The Great Master of Lies'. Those who do not realize the truth of that statement, or do not wish to believe it, will never be able to lend a hand in helping Truth to prevail.. It is just at those junctures when the idealistic attitude threatens to disappear that we notice a weakening of this force which is a necessary constituent in the founding and maintenance of the community and is thereby a necessary condition of civilization. As soon as the spirit of egotism begins to prevail among a people then the bonds of the social order break and man, by seeking his own personal happiness, veritably tumbles out of heaven and falls into hell.. In times of distress a wave of public anger has usually arisen against the Jew; the masses have taken the law into their own hands; they have seized Jewish property and ruined the Jew in their urge to protect themselves against what they consider to be a scourge of God. Having come to know the Jew intimately through the course of centuries, in times of distress they looked upon his presence among them as a public danger comparable only to the plague.. If the Jews were the only people in the world they would be wallowing in filth and mire and would exploit one another and try to exterminate one another in a bitter struggle.. He will stop at nothing. His utterly' low-down conduct is so appalling that one really cannot be surprised if in the imagination of our people the Jew is pictured as the incarnation of Satan and the symbol of evil. The ignorance of the broad masses as regards the inner character of the Jew, and the lack of instinct and insight that our upper classes display, are some of the reasons which explain how it is that so many people fall an easy prey to the systematic campaign of falsehood which the Jew carries on. While the upper classes, with their innate cowardliness, turn away from anyone whom the Jew thus attacks with lies and calumny, the common people are credulous of everything, whether because of their ignorance or their simple-mindedness. Government authorities wrap themselves up in a robe of silence, but more frequently they persecute the victims of Jewish attacks in order to stop the campaign in the Jewish Press.. The destruction of the concept of personality and of race removes the chief obstacle which barred the way to domination of the social body by its inferior elements, which are the Jews.. Look at the ravages from which our people are suffering daily as a result of being contaminated with Jewish blood. Bear in mind the fact that this poisonous contamination can be eliminated from the national body only after centuries, or perhaps never. Think further of how the process of racial decomposition is debasing and in some cases even destroying the fundamental Aryan qualities of our German people, so that our cultural creativeness as a nation is gradually becoming impotent and we are running the danger, at least in our great cities, of falling to the level where Southern Italy is to-day. This pestilential adulteration of the blood, of which hundreds of thousands of our people take no account, is being systematically practised by the Jew to-day. Systematically these negroid parasites in our national body corrupt our innocent fair-haired girls and thus destroy something which can no longer be replaced in this world. The two Christian denominations look on with indifference at the profanation and destruction of a noble and unique creature who was given to the world as a gift of God's grace. For the future of the world, however, it does not matter which of the two triumphs over the other, the Catholic or the Protestant. But it does matter whether Aryan humanity survives or perishes. And yet the two Christian denominations are not contending against the destroyer of Aryan humanity but are trying to destroy one another. Everybody who has the right kind of feeling for his country is solemnly bound, each within his own denomination, to see to it that he is not constantly talking about the Will of God merely from the lips but that in actual fact he fulfils the Will of God and does not allow God's handiwork to be debased. For it was by the Will of God that men were made of a certain bodily shape, were given their natures and their faculties. Whoever destroys His work wages war against God's Creation and God's Will.. The black-haired Jewish youth lies in wait for hours on end, satanically glaring at and spying on the unsuspicious girl whom he plans to seduce, adulterating her blood and removing her from the bosom of her own people. The Jew uses every possible means to undermine the racial foundations of a subjugated people. In his systematic efforts to ruin girls and women he strives to break down the last barriers of discrimination between him and other peoples. The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate.. That is why the Jew systematically endeavours to lower the racial quality of a people by permanently adulterating the blood of the individuals who make up that people.. But the final consequence is not merely that the people lose all their freedom under the domination of the Jews, but that in the end these parasites themselves disappear.. If the beauty of the body were not completely forced into the background to-day through our stupid manner of dressing, it would not be possible for thousands of our girls to be led astray by Jewish mongrels, with their repulsive crooked waddle.. negroid ideas, represent a threatening menace to the existence of the white race in Europe.. It is revolting to think how much damage is indirectly done to German prestige to-day through the fact that the German patois of the Jews when they enter the United States enables them to be classed as Germans, because many Americans are quite ignorant of German conditions. Among us, nobody would think of taking these unhygienic immigrants from the East for members of the German race and nation merely because they mostly speak German.. The constructive principle of Aryan humanity is thus displaced by the destructive principle of the Jews, They become the 'ferment of decomposition' among nations and races and, in a broad sense, the wreckers of human civilization.. Jews here and Jews there and Jews everywhere. The trend of development which we are now experiencing would, if allowed to go on unhampered, lead to the realization of the Pan-Jewish prophecy that the Jews will one day devour the other nations and become lords of the earth.. But it is not only the old world that he holds in his snare; for a like fate threatens the new world. Jews control the financial forces of America on the stock exchange. Year after year the Jew increases his hold on Labour in a nation of 120 million souls.. In short, the results of miscegenation are always the following: (a) The level of the superior race becomes lowered; (b) physical and mental degeneration sets in, thus leading slowly but steadily towards a progressive drying up of the vital sap. The act which brings about such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator. And as a sin this act will be avenged. Man's effort to build up something that contradicts the iron logic of Nature brings him into conflict with those principles to which he himself exclusively owes his own existence. By acting against the laws of Nature he prepares the way that leads to his ruin.. How devoid of ideals and how ignoble is the whole contemporary system! The fact that the churches join in committing this sin against the image of God, even though they continue to emphasize the dignity of that image, is quite in keeping with their present activities. They talk about the Spirit, but they allow man, as the embodiment of the Spirit, to degenerate to the proletarian level. Then they look on with amazement when they realize how small is the influence of the Christian Faith in their own country and how depraved and ungodly is this riff-raff which is physically degenerate and therefore morally degenerate also. To balance this state of affairs they try to convert the Hottentots and the Zulus and the Kaffirs and to bestow on them the blessings of the Church. While our European people, God be praised and thanked, are left to become the victims of moral depravity, the pious missionary goes out to Central Africa and establishes missionary stations for negroes. Finally, sound and healthy - though primitive and backward - people will be transformed, under the name of our 'higher civilization', into a motley of lazy and brutalized mongrels.. It is evident that a people which is endowed with high creative powers in the cultural sphere is of more worth than a tribe of negroes.. in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all ideals of human beauty and nobility and all hopes of an idealized future for our humanity would be lost for ever.. It is especially the cultural creativeness which disappears when a. superior race inter-mixes with an inferior one, even though the resultant mongrel race should excel a thousandfold in speaking the language of the race that once had been superior.. if twelve or fifteen thousand of these Jews who were corrupting the nation had been forced to submit to poison-gas, just as hundreds of thousands of our best German workers from every social stratum and from every trade and calling had to face it in the field, then the millions of sacrifices made at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: If twelve thousand of these malefactors had been eliminated in proper time probably the lives of a million decent men .. might have been saved.

The emphases are mine. I apologize for reproducing the words of that monstrously evil man; I have done so only to expose the Watchtower's hypocrisy and immorality. I have drawn from the standard English translations of "Mein Kampf" whose authenticity is unquestioned - and was undisputed by Hitler (who authorized them and grew wealthy on the royalty receipts).

You should feel real disgust at the material. Of the c600 (yes, I counted) explicit references to Jews in Mein Kampf not one is complimentary - I have omitted some of the most hateful in my brief extract above. Hitler's view on the Jewish religion clearly involve explicit fantasies of seeing thousands of Jews gassed to death.

And these were the ideals and goals which the filthy Watchtower had allied themselves with.

Mein Kampf contains much more - an Anglo-American alliance is identified and calumnied, and one is left in no doubt as to the desired fate of the "negro" and "mongrel" races. The stench of religiously-justified racism pervades the whole evil work. It is impossible to separate the inhuman fate which Hitler clearly intends for all who oppose him, with his "ideals" and "goals".

Now read again the extract from the 1934 Watchtower Yearbook I presented above: any doubts that in their haste to pander to Reich Chancellor Hitler, the Watchtower had combed his writings or speeches and used terms which they thought would place the Society in his favor, must vanish - the same stuff that Hitler had written in Mein Kampf about the Jews owning and controlling the U.S. Stock Exchange (located in New York) is reproduced in the Watchtower publication.

Making it very clear that the Watchtower was aware (whether through Mein Kampf or other Nazi writings) of the true stated ideals, goals and views of the Nazis at the time they published their 1933-4 material sucking up to Hitler.

Of course as events progressed, and Brooklyn lost its German real estate, and the war that then ensued (which they had prophesied would be won by the Nazis and would lead on directly to Armageddon) turned against Hitler, the Watchtower rewrote their own history and condemned the Nazis. They kept very quiet about their own shameful record with the Nazis and hoped no one would remember.

Indeed, 10 years after the defeat of Hitler, the Watchtower began to repeat his sick fantasies about joyously spraying its enemies with poison chemicals or bombs to selectively kill them!

War from Heaven Brings Peace to Earth.. Men can spray a field with chemicals that kill weeds but spare crops; too bad they cannot spray cities with bombs that blow the bad to bits but leave the innocent intact.. Men have a saying about 'dying with your boots on.' At Armageddon Jehovah God will grant their wish and let them 'die with their boots on.' He will allow them to build up to peak strength and go down fighting.. And what about Jehovah God? Does he prepare for Armageddon? Well, would you prepare to kill a fly? Would you prepare to squash a bug? Would you do calisthenics every morning for weeks to get in condition to swat a fly? Would you train with barbells for months to make your muscles bulge and give you strength to step on a bug? Would that be necessary?.. So let this old world die with its military boots on if it wishes, but let us live with our theocratic boots on, preaching the good news of peace and singing the praises of Jehovah God!"

The above is from the July 15 1955 issue of The Watchtower (pp436 etc.) - and there are literally dozens of similarly bloodthirsty fantasies (involving the torture or slaughter of those who have mocked or dismissed the Watchtower) expressed in the hate literature spewed out from Brooklyn. Now if we switch back to Adolf Hitler:

if twelve or fifteen thousand of these ... who were corrupting the nation had been forced to submit to poison-gas ... then the millions of sacrifices made ... would not have been in vain. On the contrary: If twelve thousand of these malefactors had been eliminated in proper time probably the lives of a million decent men .. might have been saved.

A seamless divide: hard to tell where Hitler ends and Brooklyn begins.

And when "apostates" in the late 1960s and early 1970s began inconveniently to highlight the Watchtower's shameful attempts to ally themselves with the Nazis, Brooklyn came out with the following amazing piece of revisionism, denial (and some abuse to be hurled at Catholics too) - to show that only in 1941 (i.e. long after the Watchtower had published their pro-Nazi material in 1933-4) had the world become aware of the nature of Nazism:

Shortly after the United States was plunged into World War II [i.e. December 6, 1941], information on this Nazi plan was gleaned from seized Nazi documents.. This plan aimed at a Nazi world order that Hitler, if successful in World War II, would mercilessly enforce upon the world and mankind.. Hitler .. evidently had in mind the Germanic Holy Roman Empire.. At any rate, there was no re-establishment.. as many people of Hitler's religion had hoped.

The above is from "God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years Has Approached", 1973, pp8-9. Here and elsewhere, I use square brackets to facilitate abbreviation. Note how the WT's complete unity with Hitler's religious goals has been swept under the carpet, and instead Hitler's religion has been identified as Catholicism!

This outrageous lie and attempted whitewash from the Watchtower (that Hitler's plans were really not known until 1942 - instead of 1924, as I have proven above) may be best refuted by the following words from the closing speech, in July 1946, of Robert Jackson, the Chief U.S. prosecutor at the Nuremberg War Crimes Trial, addressed to those criminals in the dock who, like the Watchtower, basically claimed that Hitler's plans were unknown to them:

The plans of Adolf Hitler for aggression were just as secret as Mein Kampf (Hitler's political manifesto), of which over six million copies were published in Germany [alone]. He not only openly advocated overthrowing the Treaty of Versailles, but made demands which went far beyond a mere rectification of its alleged injustices. He avowed an intention to attack neighboring states and seize their lands, which he said would have to be won with "the power of a triumphant sword." Here, for every German to hearken to, were the "ancestral voices prophesying war."

And I have shown that not only was the Watchtower very aware of either Mein Kampf (how could it not be?), or equivalent Nazi publications, at the time the Watchtower produced the disgraceful 1933-4 material - it virtually quoted from it!

And it was not merely pretending to share beliefs with Hitler. Ever since the death of Watchtower founder Russell, the Society had increasingly embraced anti-Semitism. Here are but a few examples from around the time of the Yearbook's embrace of Hitlerian ideals:

PROFITEERING, CONSCIENCELESS, SELFISH JEWS CONTROLLING FINANCE
"Be it known once and for all that those profiteering, conscienceless, selfish men who call themselves Jews, and who control the greater portion of the finances of the world and the business of the world, will never be the rulers in this new earth. God would not risk such selfish men with such an important position"
- The Golden Age Feb 23 1927, p343

The above also seems to have been inspired by identical sentiments expressed in Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf.

JEWS UNDESERVING AND UNIMPORTANT TO GOD
"Jews [are] no longer important to God.. the Balfour Declaration, sponsored by the heathen governments of Satan's organization, came forth, recognized the Jews, and bestowed upon them great favors.. The Jews have received more attention at their hands than they really deserved."
- Vindication II, 1934, pp 257-8

THE JEW AS THE CHARACTER ASSASSIN
"The Journal of the A.M.A. is the vilest sheet that passes the United States mail.. Nothing new and useful in therapeutics escapes its unqualified condemnation. Its attacks are generally ad hominem. Its editorial columns are largely devoted to character assassination.. Its editor (Morris Fishbein) is of the type of Jew that crucified Jesus Christ."
- The Golden Age Sep 26 1934, p807

Indeed the Watchtower's neo-Hitlerian beliefs should not be minimized. Leaving aside its hated Jews, the "Jehovah God-directed" Brooklyn has:
* commended the giving of inferior seats to negroes {WT Apr 1 1914 p110-1}
* described colored ones as vicious, depraved and unworthy of pearls of wisdom {WT Apr 15 1900 p122}
* described how God's elect would have to be overwhelmingly white {Old Theology Quarterly No. 43 p30}
* described how prayer might turn black people white {WT Oct 1 1900 p296}
* described the negro as gross, immoral, deceitful, adulterous, false, lying, cowardly and drunken {WT Aug 15 1901 p266}
* described American Indians as ignorant, superstitious, degraded barbarians {WT Jul 1 1902 p165-6}
* described negroes as degenerate, degraded, servile {WT Jul 15 1902 p215}
* described negroes as being specially degraded {WT Aug 1 1898 p230}
* associated negroes with servants automatically {WT Nov 1 1903 p410}
* showed God might bring negroes to perfection by whitening them" {WT Feb 15 1904 p52}
* commended separateness of races {The New Creation circa p490 till 1927}
* openly promoted racial hatred for Asians/Orientals {WT Sep 1 1905 p260}
* ridiculed negro and Latin superstitiousness {WT Apr 1 1908 p99}
* "warned" negroes to stay in their own crowd only {The Golden Age Oct 1 1919 p8} and elsewhere described Harriet Beecher Stowe's magnificent "Uncle Tom's Cabin", which exposed the wickedness of slavery and in many ways prompted the actions which led to the freeing of the slaves, as the work of Satan!
* ridiculed southern negroes for drunkenness {The Golden Age Oct 15 1919 p44}
* supported phrenology, which science had totally discounted by 1920, and which teaches that the negro's sloping forehead shows a lack of intellect {Golden Age Feb 15 1925 p332 etc.} - WTBTS only recanted this Aryan-superiority belief in 1978
* Hispanics described as backward {The Golden Age Nov 30 1927 p141}
* Negroes encouraged to be meek, and told to submit to total segregation even in the Watchtower's own Kingdom Halls {WT Feb 1 1952 p94-6}
* gave scriptural justification (Ham) for cursing negroes and using them exclusively as slaves or servants {The Golden Age Jul 24 1929 p702}

Please remember that the Watchtower declared on oath in Court (Olin R. Moyle v. F.W.Franz, et al, 05 10 - 05 27 1943, New York Supreme Court, Appellate Division, sections 2596-7, 4420-1 (Moyle v. Rutherford et al., 261 App. Div. 968; 26 N.Y.S. 2d 860; Moyle v. Franz et al., 267 App. Div. 423; 46 N.Y.S. 2d 607; Moyle v. Franz et al., 47 N.Y.S. 484), first listed Kings County Clerk's Index No. 15845, 1940 Vol 2 p795) that "Jehovah God" was been the editor of their publication and had been guiding it since its inception.

I present explicit quotes of some of the above material as a footnote post.

Later, some JWs suffered in German concentration camps while following the edicts and commands of their Cult leaders (who were, of course, safe in Brooklyn, making capital out of the persecution their own rules had brought upon the brainwashed rank and file). The number has been vastly exaggerated by the Watchtower, whose own official published claims on this matter have utterly contradicted each other over the years - see - http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=19553&site=3 for an expose of this. But while the survival rate for German Jews and gypsies who failed to flee the country once Hitler came to power was under 2% (as can be seen from studying the many sites relating to the Holocaust), the survival rate for German JWs in the same period was about 90% (by the Watchtower's own "final" figures). And the survival rate for Jews and gypsies sent either to concentration or extermination camps was far less than 1%, the same figure was about 80% for Jehovah's Witnesses. This refutes the Watchtower propaganda, which seems if anything to suggest numbers the opposite way around (without explicitly stating anything like that, of course - the Watchtower is a master of deceptive prose "we never quite said that"). Nonetheless, the Watchtower Society has for years scrabbled hard to maximize its share of compensation payouts in respect of German atrocities - and the more they take, the less there is for more deserving or more legitimate claimants. And yes, the Watchtower wants this money for itself, and not to disburse to the "untraceable" original JWs - it claims to be their "representative". Truly scandalous rapacity. How much innocent Blood is there on this monster's filthy altar?

Reminds me of the issue of the Watchtower where they adjacently presented articles on filling in the Blood Card (denying doctors the chance to save JW lives using transfusions) and on how to efficiently leave money and other property to the Watchtower in your will, so they get it after you die. They don't really mind if you die (having lived as their slave magazine-peddler) - as long as they profit.

And that the Watchtower should so emphatically and unequivocally align itself with the NAZIS, after their racist terror campaigns against the Jews and others had been announced, bears WITNESS to the whole world the very sordid and inherently EVIL nature of the Watchtower Cult. Both Nazism and Watchtowerinsanity both sprung from the same father, Satan the Devil, so such kinship is not surprising at all.

Of course cult apologists may try to twist things and try to present the above into some attempt by me to discount the enormous suffering of individual JWs at the hands of brutal regimes. It is no such thing. It is an exposure of the cynical, callous, disgraceful attitude of the Watchtower bosses in Brooklyn and elsewhere to the suffering they bring upon their brainwashed, duped, tricked, lied-to and betrayed followers. And proof that they will ally themselves with anyone if there is a reasonable prospect they can profit thereby. Truly, disgusting.

To try and just gently reform this barbarous Great Whore is only the dream of those who do not (or cannot) comprehend the degree of foulness within the Jehovah's Witnesses New World Society. Did the Allies try and "reform" Nazism? No, they crushed it and destroyed it utterly.

And so it must be with the Watchtower, Satan's Organization on Earth.

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Focus
(Destruction of Evil Class)

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FOOTNOTE

BARBAROUS, DEGRADED NEGROES "Is there anything in the claim of a pre-Adamic race? or that some of the more barbarous nations are not Adam's offspring?.. all the peoples of the earth are descended from Adam, no matter how different in color, stature, intelligence, etc.. The negro race is supposed to be descended from Ham, whose special degradation is mentioned in 'Gen. 9:22,25'" - The Watchtower, 8/1/98 page 230

THE HOLY ELECT WILL BE CHIEFLY WHITE "God .. evidently has been a respecter of races, and has specially blessed and favored certain branches of the Aryan race in Europe and America.. the white race has been more abundantly blessed with the light of the Gospel than others .. the elect Church will probably be composed chiefly of the highly favored white race" - Evolution, 1898, pages 30-1

GOD DOES NOT CAST PEARLS BEFORE NEGRO SWINE "We advise, therefore, that where the Watch Tower literature is introduced to colored people it be not by promiscuous circulation, but only to those who give evidence of some ear for the truth. We avoid, so far as possible, putting the pearls of present truth into the hands of the vicious and depraved" - The Watchtower, 4/15/00 page 122

GOD CHANGES DESERVING FROM BLACK TO WHITE "From Black to White He Slowly Turned.. Rev. William H. Draper .. gave a living affirmative answer to the famous Biblical question, 'Can the Ethiopian change his skin or the leopard his spots?' Though once as black as charcoal, the Rev. Mr. Draper is now white. His people say that his color was changed in answer to prayer. Many years ago Draper was employed by a fair-skinned man, and he was often heard to remark that if he could only be white like his employer, he would be happy. While in the white man's service Draper 'experienced' religion. From that day forward he prayed constantly and fervently that he might become white.. He first experienced a prickling sensation on his face, and upon close investigation found a number of small white spots scarcely larger than the point of a pin. He became alarmed, thinking he had some peculiar disease but he did not suffer and aside from the prickling sensation felt nothing unusual. Gradually the white spots became larger and extended themselves, until now, after the change has been in progress for over 30 years, Draper has not a single dark spot on his body." - The Watchtower Reprints, 10/1/00, page 2706 [Poor Michael Jackson was raised as one of Jehovah's Witnesses]

SAVAGE, FALSE, COWARDLY IS THE NEGRO - IMMORALITY AND DECEITFULNESS ENDEMIC "'It too often happens that, while the negro rapidly masters the rules and regulations of the Christian religion, he still continues to be gross, immoral, and deceitful. They (missionaries) may have succeeded in turning their disciples into professing Catholics, Anglicans, or Baptists; but the impartial observer is surprised to find that adultery, drunkenness, and lying are more apparent among the converts than among their heathen brethren.' And again: 'I regret to say that, with a few - very rare - exceptions, those native African pastors, teachers, and catechists whom I have met have been all, more or less, bad men. They attempted to veil an unbridled immorality with an unblushing hypocrisy and a profane display of mouth-religion which, to an honest mind, seemed even more disgusting than the immorality itself. While it was apparent that not one particle of true religion had made its way into their gross minds, it was also evident that the spirit of sturdy manliness which was present in their savage forefathers found no place in their false, cowardly natures" - The Watchtower, 8/15/01 page 266

NATIVE AMERICANS IGNORANT BARBARIANS "A Christian minister and his wife .. report: 'We cannot either civilize or Christianize this tribe of [Navajo] Indians.. a single one .. We cannot overcome the barriers of ignorance, superstition, barbarian language' .. We heartily sympathize .. Lord Jesus and his apostles did not carry the gospel to the most degraded nations, but to the most intelligent people they could find." - The Watchtower, 7/1/02 pages 165-6

SERVILE DEGRADED NEGROES - PUNISHMENT BY GOD - ALSO, WITHOUT ANY INTER-BREEDING, WHITE MAN LIVING IN CHINA BECOMES RACIALLY CHINESE AFTER FEW GENERATIONS (THROUGH LOOKING AT CHINESE PEOPLE!) "The NEGRO not a Beast .. that Ham's characteristics which had led him to unseemly conduct disrespectful to his father, would be found cropping out later, inherited by his son, and prophetically he foretold that this degeneracy would mark the posterity of Canaan, degrading him, making him servile. We are not able to determine to a certainty that the sons of Ham and Canaan are negroes; but we consider that general view as probable as any other.. we are not to forget the strong pre-natal influence of the mother's mind upon her offspring, - co-operating with the influences of climate and soil. To illustrate: Suppose a missionary and his wife removed to China; not only would the influence of the climate and soil be manifested upon themselves, but the same would be still more manifested in their children. Whoever will give careful attention to this matter will notice that each succeeding child born in that foreign country will have increasingly more resemblance to the Chinese - the hair, the skin, the shape of the eyes, and in general all features will bear closer resemblance with each succeeding child. We can readily suppose that if so much change occurs in a few years, ten or twenty centuries under similar conditions would turn any white people into regular Chinese, even supposing there were no intermarrying. The mother, while carrying her unborn child, has continually before her the Chinese type of countenance - eyes, hair, color, etc., and the continual impress of these upon her mind could not fail, according to the law of our being, to influence her offspring in the manner noted. Indeed a traveler, a scientist, has lately reported to the civilized world that he found in China a district where there were ruins of a very ancient Hebrew temple, and tablets in Hebrew. The people of the district informed him that they had a tradition that their fathers once spoke and understood the language of the tablets (Hebrew), had emigrated thither many centuries before, adopting the Chinese customs and language and, gradually, their appearance also. The effect would be similar in India. Undoubtedly the stronger contrast between the white and the black would require a longer time to be brought about.. We are not to forget, either, that Africa is inhabited by various tribes or nations of negroes - some more and some less degraded than the average.. While it is true that the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other, we are to remember that there are wide differences in the same Caucasian (Semitic and Aryan) family.. The secret of the greater intelligence and aptitude of the Caucasian undoubtedly in great measure is to be attributed to the commingling of blood amongst its various branches; and this was evidently forced in large measure by circumstances under divine control. It remains to be proven that the similar commingling of the various tribes of Chinese for several centuries would not equally brighten their intellects; and the same with the peoples of India and Africa." - The Watchtower, 7/15/02 pages 215-6

A NEGRO - THEREFORE A SERVANT "The second runner, Cushi, or literally a Cushite - that is, a negro - was probably one of the king's household servants" - The Watchtower 11/1/03 pages 410-1

MORE RACIAL PURITY VIA GOD'S ACTION - NEGROES CAN ASPIRE TO BECOMING WHITES "Can The Ethiopian Change His skin color? No. But.. what the Ethiopian cannot do for himself God could readily do for him. The difference between the races of men .. have long been arguments against the solidarity of the human family. The doctrine of restitution has also raised the question. How could all men be brought to perfection and which color of skin was the original? The answer is now provided. God can change the Ethiopian's skin in his own due time.. Julius Jackson, of New Frankfort, Montana, a negro boy of nine years, began to grow white in September, 1901, and is now fully nine-tenths white. He assures us that this is no whitish skin disease; but that the new white skin is as healthy as that of any white boy, and that the changed boy has never been sick and never has taken medicines" - The Watchtower, 2/15/04 pages 52-3

SEGREGATION NECESSARY - NO INTERRACIAL MARRIAGES WANTED "hence, the several races of humanity will probably find their spiritual interests as New Creatures best conserved by a measure of separateness." - The New Creation, 1904, page 490

THE YELLOW PERIL FACING THE WHITE RACE - AND HATE THE AFGHANS TOO! "It is a fact that in Central India hundreds of Afghans are loafing and skulking alone or in couples. This is considered to be an ominous sign, for the Afghans do not wander so far south with any peaceful purpose in mind .. THE YELLOW PERIL .. the peril of the white race at the hands of the yellow" - The Watchtower 9/1/05 page 260

GOD DID NOT FAVOR THE NEGROES OR LATINOS "superstitions transplanted from faraway lands would flourish among the foreign and negro elements.. The negro and Latin races will probably always be inclined to superstition." - The Watchtower 4/1/08, page 99

THE COLOR LINE FOUND NECESSARY IN CHURCH - BLACKS NOT HUMBLE ENOUGH "WE might have anticipated that many colored people would be deeply interested in THE PHOTO-DRAMA OF CREATION. But it did not impress itself upon us until gradually their number increased to about twenty-five per cent of the whole audience. Of course, we were glad to see them, glad that they were interested in the DRAMA. We had the same feeling respecting them as others; but it was quickly discerned that it was not a case of feeling, but that, whereas the colored people of New York City are about five per cent of the population, in our audiences they are about twenty-five per cent and the number increasing. What shall we do? As the attendance of the colored people would increase, proportionately the number of the whites would decrease; for explain it how we will, a majority of whites prefer not to intermingle closely with other races. Recognizing that it meant either the success or the failure of the enterprise of the DRAMA as respects the whites, we have been compelled to assign the colored friends to the gallery, which, however, is just as good for seeing and hearing as any other part of The Temple. Some were offended at this arrangement. We have received numerous letters from the colored friends, some claiming that it is not right to make a difference, others indignantly and bitterly denouncing us as enemies of the colored people. Some, confident that Brother Russell had never sanctioned such a discrimination, told that they believe it would be duty to stand up for equal rights and always to help the oppressed, etc. We were obliged to explain the facts, assuring all of our loving interest in the colored people, and of our desire to do them good, and not injury. We again suggested that if a suitable place could be found in which the DRAMA could be presented for the benefit of the colored people alone, we would be glad to make such arrangements, or to co-operate with any others in doing so. Our explanations were apparently entirely satisfactory to all of the fully consecrated. To these we explained that it is a question of putting either the interests of God's Cause first, or else the interests of the race first. We believed it our duty to put God first and the Truth first - at any cost to others or to ourself! We explained that we thought that all the colored brethren should know our attitude toward them - they should know that we love to serve them in any way possible and to give them the very best we have to give of the Gospel Message; and that it is only a question of whether our giving to them in one way would deprive us of giving the Truth to others. Some who were still tenacious and quarrelsome we merely reminded of our Lord's declaration that in inviting visitors into the house it is the place of the host to say where they shall sit, and then we showed them the parable of the man who chose the chief seat of honor and was given a lower one. In answer to the query as to how our course of conduct squared with the Golden Rule, we replied that it squares exactly. We would wish others to put God first. If our personal interests are or ever have been in conflict with the real and apparently best interests of the Lord's Cause, it is a part of our consecration vow to ignore our interests in favor of the interests of the Lord's Cause. This is what we mean by the declaration that we are dead to self and alive to our God as New Creatures. We reminded one dear sister that the Lord enjoins humility, and assures us that unless we humble ourselves we shall not be exalted. If nature favors the colored brethren and sisters in the exercise of humility it is that much to their advantage, if they are rightly exercised by it. A little while, and our humility will work out for our good. A little while, and those who shall have been faithful to their Covenant of Sacrifice will be granted new bodies, spiritual, beyond the veil, where color and sex distinctions will be no more. A little while, and the Millennial Kingdom will be inaugurated, which will bring Restitution to all mankind - restitution to the perfection of mind and body, feature and color, to the grand original standard, which God declared "very good," and which was lost for a time through sin, but which is soon to be restored by the powerful Kingdom of Messiah." - The Watchtower, 4/1/14 pages 110-1

RACIAL SEGREGATION ADVISABLE "NEGRO EDUCATION IN CINCINNATI. Blacks from all over the city go to this school by preference. They feel that they can get the best chance by staying in their own crowd, and they are probably right.. While it is true that 'of one blood God hath made all nations of men,' nevertheless under present imperfect conditions a wise segregation is probably an advantage to all concerned." - The Golden Age, 10/1/19 page 8

ASTOUNDING WATCHTOWER RACIST HYPOCRISY, BLAMING MORMONS! "Mormons and Racism.. at a news conference, Mormon president Spencer W. Kimball was questioned on the Mormon practice of excluding blacks from full and equal privileges in their religion.. Thus the question of racial discrimination was evaded. In refreshing contrast, the Bible plainly says that 'God is not partial' and 'makes no distinction at all' among those sincerely seeking him.-Acts 10:34, 35; 15:7-9." - The Watchtower, 11/1/74 page 656 [Amazing hypocrisy given that the Watchtower also practised the very same thing, as we have seen in these extracts (no mention made in the article, of course)]

SOUTHERN NEGRO IS A DRUNKEN SOT "..from a criminal viewpoint the desirability of sobering the southern negro speaks volumes for national prohibition." - The Golden Age, 10/15/19 page 44

ARYAN HEAD SHAPE IS THE ADVANCED AND DESIRABLE ONE (DOGS ALSO)! "The Power of the Mind.. the character of men can be described in terms of facial features, known as Physiognomy, or cranial characteristics (a field) with the scientific term of Phrenology.. body shapes [tell] our story of life .. the body's .. vibrations show what we are and do not lie.. vibrations [reveal our] personality [and] true self [as do our] palms .. spine .. feet .. fingernails .. [if we were] only sufficiently intelligent we undoubtedly could determine what a person thinks or does chiefly, his qualifications etc., merely from a piece of his skin, a hair, or a drop of blood .. Pastor Russell .. discussed the mysteries of .. mental telepathy, mind reading, and women's intuition" - The Golden Age, 2/15/25 pages 332-3 [Phrenology correlated a well-developed (stated to be Aryan) forehead with intellectuality, not so a sloping (negroid) forehead. Phrenology was scientifically discredited by 1920; the WTBTS did not recant until 7/15/78 in the Watchtower of that date (page 17) and even then did not admit they had ever touted phrenology, just that it was false. So, yet again, they have become what they once condemned, and now condemn what they once were! Some of the wise teachings of phrenology as expounded by the Watchtower: "God breathed into his nostrils the breath of lives (plural), the breath common to every living creature. The difference between Adam and the other creatures was not in the breath, or spirit of lives. Man had the same kind of spirit of life. The difference was that man had a finer organism. How do we know? Stand a man alongside of a dog. Look at their heads. The one slopes back; there is no place for the intellectual qualities at all, or at least a very small place for the thinking apparatus man has. He has more brain than the dog. If we could make a dog with the same head as a man, he would think the same as a man." - What Pastor Russell Said Q666-3]

LATINOS VERY BACKWARD "Spaniards .. and other backward races [came to settle in America under the influence of Rome]" - The Golden Age, 11/30/27 page 141

NEGROES SHOULD BE IN A ZOO AND BE LAUGHED AT "careful observations in a London school showed that children enjoyed the heartiest laughs, not from slapstick comedies, but from .. watching a negro miner enjoying a square meal" - The Golden Age 7/25/28 page 684 [no adverse comments at all on the implications of this]

NEGROES ARE INFERIOR, SUITABLE ONLY AS SERVANTS - ONLY GOD CAN CHANGE THAT "Is there anything in the Bible that reveals the origin of the Negro? It is generally believed that the curse which Noah pronounced upon Canaan was the origin of the Black race. Certain it is that when Noah said, 'Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,' he pictured the future of the Colored race. They have been and are a race of servants.. There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant, and the joy that he gets from rendering faithful service is one of the purest joys there is in the world." - The Golden Age, 7/24/29, page 702

AND MORE AMAZING WATCHTOWER HYPOCRISY TRYING TO BESMIRCH CATHOLICS [the view that Blacks were cursed by God] "apparently survived until 1873 when Pope Pius IX attached an indulgence to a prayer for the 'wretched Ethiopians in Central Africa that almighty God may at length remove the curse of Cham (Ham) from their hearts." - Awake! 10/8/77 page 29 [It is hypocrisy then that the Catholic church is chastised by the WTBTS for having put aside these beliefs at least 56 years earlier than did the WTBTS, whom we have seen espoused those same beliefs up to 1929, if not even later.]

NEGROES MEEK AND TEACHABLE - SUITABLE AS SLAVES "Really, our colored brothers have great cause for rejoicing. Their race is meek and teachable, and from it comes a high percentage of the theocratic increase." - The Watchtower 2/1/52 pages 94-6

The idiocy (and in some cases the unintendedly funny nature) of some of the above material does not mitigate against its foulness.

Edited by - Focus on 2 November 2002 19:31:43

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KennesonRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

The most comprehensive information I have seen on the topic of the Watchtower and Nazism can be found at

http://watchtower.observer.org

Look at the left-hand of the page and click "JWs and Hitler"
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Focus  Re: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
Kenneson wrote on Nov 2, 2002 22:10:
The most comprehensive information I have seen on the topic of the Watchtower and Nazism can be found at
http://watchtower.observer.org

Thank you for your "Echo" service, "Jedi" Kenneson!

I had already written, three hours prior to your post, in the post that starts this thread:
An image of the original may be examined on the Watchtower Observer website

The reference to Kent's site appears immediately after the quote from the 1933 letter.

Had you properly read the post before replying, you would have:
(a) spotted that Kent's site had already been mentioned by me; and
(B) observed that I have supplied above plenty of relevant Nazi-connected material that is ADDITIONAL TO what is on the Watchtower Observer website (and which in due course will be incorporated into it, I imagine), as well as material which corrects (insignificant) translation errors therein.

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Focus
(Jeez Class)

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sheraRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

jjrizo,I'm extremely interested,could you send me the info?Please and thanks

 My e-mail is in my profile
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freemanRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
 What a well-documented and annotated indictment of the Dark Tower you have presented Focus; well done!

 Freeman
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Focus  Re: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
Hi Jim! What follows is meant to be upbuilding, and should be read in that light.

Jim Rizoli wrote:
Your information is correct in a lot of points here

Yes.

but your understanding of what transpired in Germany is not corrrect.

No.

On the contrary, IMO my understanding thereof is quite correct, based as it is on decades of study and contemplation.

Show me what I have written that is WRONG or misleading, please (having first carefully read what I have written) The board is the right place for that, and not email. We all benefit, then. Have no fear of embarrassing me! We of the Viprous Apostate Class thrive on loving correction and admonition (administration of, and receipt). And I am sure I have things to learn, as we all do.

If what you meant when you wrote "not correct" was "not complete", and where you wrote "understanding" you meant "presentation", then I agree with you. The post was too long as it stands! This is a discussion board, not a website.

I have deliberately omitted, to keep this relatively short, inter alia:
(a) the background: what conditions led to (and enabled) the Nazis legally seizing power; and how, subsequent to Hitler's writing of Mein Kampf in 1923-4, there was never (right up to the storming of Berlin) any climbdown or significant shift in the aims of the Nazis, let alone any retraction of the explicit and implied promises of that book - on the contrary, its message was oft-repeated, enlarged upon - and Hitler's clear agenda of conquest, domination and genocide finally implemented, and of the Nazi government's position as Hitler's tool (his control being absolute);
(b) the climate in Germany (and Austria) once they did come into power but prior to WW2; the "national spirit" then and thereafter, and the widespread informer culture and other evils inculcated in, awakened, given opportunity to reveal itself and fostered among the general public (as distinct from just the Bibelforster) - relevant to what follows below;
(c) the despicable conduct (at the cost of many rank and file Bible students) of a small number of self-serving, cowardly JWs in Germany, at least one of whom wholly got away with it (this criminal managed to collaborate, destroy those who had trusted him, and not only evade any subsequent censure or sanction by Brooklyn but enhance his own power);
(d) the fate of what happened to any who tried to get justice done, even retrospectively, or the record set straight, as to expose what had happened would simultaneously expose the whole scandal and cost the Watchtower dear;
(e) the attempted whitewash by Brooklyn, making white into black, perpetrator into victim, and gentile into Jew; and
(f) the amazing chain of post-war Watchtower claims (I supplied a reference to one of Norman Hovland's pithy exposes of this one, though), capitalizing with typically breathtaking audacity and shamelessness on the blood on their own altar, and keeping on changing the numbers according to whim - and later, with a view to participation in compensation funds.

Do you still believe that my understanding is "incorrect?

If I really thought what you seem to think I must have thought, then when I stated in the original post:
It is an exposure of the cynical, callous, disgraceful attitude of the Watchtower bosses in Brooklyn and elsewhere

why on New Earth would I have added "and elsewhere"? Riddle me that, please!

The Writing Department of the Watchtower is known for its vigilance and careful (ab)use of language. And I belong to their more advanced jubilee antitype, my craftsmanship is at least as ..

And if some residual doubts remain, Jim, then I am afraid you have only yourself to blame. In the post above I had written (a short way above my "sig"):

Had you followed that link you would have seen from my post of Jan 19, 2002 18:22 (i.e. nearly a year ago) in the thread pointed to, that I was very familiar with the issues of what transpired in Germany (which is not to say I know everything about it, which would be absurd an d nonsensical to claim) at that time.

What I have done, I believe, is what I have set out to do, that is:

1. Provide clear evidence of "God's sole visible organization on earth" pandering (formally, at both branch and international level, so this cannot be ascribed to errant individuals as the Watchtower otherwise would wriggle out, implicitly blaming God for not making it clear to Bethel that they were being misled) to the Nazis (in order to safeguard material possessions and to continue preaching work, one may surmise);

AND

2. Provide irrefutable evidence that the foul nature of the Nazis, including their apolitical and religious goals (words chosen with such care by these dealers in verbal pornography!), was without question known to those in the Watchtower who so pandered, and at the time they so pandered if not long before; indeed, their panderings even paraphrase key Nazi material;

AND

3. Give the lie to the 1973 whitewash attempt that "we in Brooklyn never knew the nature of the Nazi agenda until much later";

AND

4. State (links to the math available) that incarceration and death rates among hapless German JWs were, even using the Watchtower's own figures, far, far more favorable than the ones for other target groups (Jews, the Romany peoples) among the native German population, giving the lie to the belief that the suffering among JWs was so high;

AND

5. Show that chicken farmer Himmler, at least, openly admired the JWs - damnation indeed when Satan's agents love you. As Himmler had ultimate control of both concentration and extermination camps (the latter not relevant to the JW issue), I speculate that he may not have been inclined to press for really harsh treatment of the incarcerated JWs - as is supported by the death rate statistics.

AND

6. Anecdotally illustrate that Nazi-type racist kookery and mispeculation (down to fantasies of eugenics and a hatred of "miscegnation") was far from foreign to the Watchtower, who had published reams of material that would have put smiles on the face of many Nazis - and while many such beliefs were widely held in those darker times:
(a) this was God's sole visible organization (they boldly claimed again and again);
(b) God was their editor-in-chief (they claimed under oath); and
(c) Many, many people who did not claim to be inspired or "inspired" nonetheless received the New Light that racism was wicked and wrong centuries before the watchful Tower did.

Have I done 1.-6., Jim? If not, what part have I not done, or not done correctly, or not done completely?

As I am sure you appreciate, we write here for the benefit of the Future Lurker Class, and for material to be drawn from the repository and used elsewhere. For this reason I try to focus on one issue per thread. Would you like me to explore these other issues too? I am currently muzzled on JWD, so Simon perhaps prefers flavors of ice cream to be discussed, rather than sexually abused JW kids, Watchtower Nazis etc.

I look forward to seeing your material in public. If names have still to be protected, anonymize as needed.

With warm a'gaping christian fellowship,

Your most 'umble, dutiful and hard-working brother who believes in and practises Progressive Revelation,

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Focus
(The Watchtower Bible & Tract Society Hypocrisy Appreciation Class)

Edited by - Focus on 3 November 2002 9:59:45

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PerryRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Excellent, excellent work Focus! Thank you very much. This post is a keeper.
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larcRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
I have read some material that Penton has written on this subject. For the doubters here, Focus is right on the money on this one. On another subject, about a year ago, I wrote about my research. Focus, you wrote some insightful comments. So, Focus, would you be kind enought to e-mail me, since your e-mail is not open? I would like to explain what I have found since our last dialogue.
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Focus  Re: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
Now, what sort of borderline WT-apologist (in the style of AF and Farkel) would write:
What a well-documented and annotated indictment of the Dark Tower you have presented Focus; well done!
?

But I am not fooled so easily with that parousiacal Theocratic War Strategy! It may well have been written to encourage me to be overly satisfied with what I had set forth, and in this complacency to forget to include the two astounding examples of Watchtower shamefulness from the 1960s:

The Great God Who Is 'Doing Wondrous Things' .. the stand of Jehovahs witnesses in Germany in refusing to salute the Nazi swastika or heil Hitler ... brought upon them one of the cruelest persecutions in history. One writer describes ... a campaign of terror was launched against them which surpassed anything perpetrated against other victims of Nazism in Germany... The sufferings of Jehovahs Witnesses in the camps were even worse than those meted out to Jews

That is from the January 15, 1960 WT (page 43). And three years later, from page 550 of "Babylon the Great Has Fallen! God's Kingdom Rules!":

Pouring Out the Seven Last Plagues Begins .. verify by authentic recorded history .. the holy year of 1933. Informed persons know that in that same year Hitler became dictator of Nazi Germany, a horrible Nazi persecution of Jehovahs witnesses, worse than that on the Jews, began

So we see that the death at the hands of the Nazis of between six- and seven- hundred JWs is worse than the slaughter of over five million Jews. So each JW life (precious as it is) equates to well over 8,000 Jewish lives (quite possibly over 10,000 Jewish lives) in value, according to the Watchtower revisionists....

Typically Nazi-type thinking, though of course it was not Brooklyn slaughtering the Jews (except by words). Even Nazi reprisals ("for each German life taken, we will take so many more lives from among your people") did not run to such astounding ratios, though!

And can one at all still doubt the common "Satanic" origin shared by the Nazis and the Watchtower Society? At John 8:44 their own shocking mistranslation of the Bible (the NWT) yields:
"You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the desires of your father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of the lie."

So with the Nazis, and so also with the Watchtower. As expressed in the very words of Brooklyn. ".. by thy words thou shalt be condemned".

Thank [[here insert name of suitably paranoid, fictitious deity (e.g. "Jehovah", "Baal", "Jove" etc.) to maximize New Light - or, failing that, offense - to Watchtower supporters]] that I did not relax my vigilance, thereby falling for anyone's masterly ruse. Whew!

--
Focus
(freeman aid to Progressive Revelation Class)

The Watchtower Society and the Jehovah's Witnesses Cult is the very embodiment of SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY, a WOLFISH TRICK, a MOST FILTHY LIE, a CHEAT, a SCAM, a DISGUSTING ABOMINATION, a BLASPHEMOUS INSULT, a WICKED FRAUD, a DISGRACE, a SCANDAL, a PEDOPHILE PARADISE - and a DAMNED OUTRAGE from start to finish.

Edited by - Focus on 3 November 2002 11:11:48

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sfRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Jim...

"and came across the brother who was used by WT to do research on the JW's who were in the camps, and when he presented his findings to Bethel they were not too happy with his conclusions."

Please don't keep 'us' in suspense.  What is the full name of this 'brother', please?

FOCUS, it's time honey.  Call me soon.  I have a 'treat' just for you.

sKally
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sfRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

I just wanted to go ahead and add this thread I created on this topic a few weeks back, in which I pulled from 'usenet':

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sfRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Jim,

Did you not see my question to you above?

sKally
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sfRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Excellent!  Thank you.

sKally...1959 class
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A few 'hits':

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FocusRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
Jim, I told you that I am very familiar with the matter.

Rizoli wrote:
I'm beyond the Jw stage here, [you Focus are] only on step one

You are being unclear in your words. If you are implying I ever was one of Jehovah's Witnesses (and am still in stage 1 of recovery) upon whose statement(s) do you base this?

Or, if you are implying my knowledge of the background to these matters is limited (by reference to, say, Kent's) - well, you are wrong.

Ditlieb Felderer

Really? A reliable source? Felderer is known to me to be the guy who was a non-hostile witness for the defense in the trial of the disgusting Holocaust-denier Ernst Zundel: read about this here on Zundel's own repulsive "Holocaust Minimization" website. Take a puke bag, gentle reader.

I am very familiar with the actions of Zundel and his sort...

Among other things, ex-jW Felderer had published:
Please Accept This HAIR OF A GASSED VICTIM!
* NEXT TIME YOU CUT YOUR HAIR, DO NOT DISCARD IT! NO, MAIL IT INSTEAD TO MR. SMOLEN AT THE AUSCHWITZ MUSEUM OR TO ANY OF THE ADDRESSES FOUND ON THE NEXT PAGE - TO BE EXHIBITED IN THE DISPLAY OF HAIR OF GASSED VICTIMS. YOU HAIR HAS A MUCH BETTER CLAIM TO BE EXHIBITED THERE THAN THE PHONY SAMPLES OF COMMERCIAL WIGS AND HAIR HITHERTO EXHIBITED. ALSO COLLECT TOGETHER THE HAIR OF ALL YOUR FRIENDS, DOGS, AND OTHER ANIMALS. SEND IT ALL IN A PLASTIC BAG TO MR. SMOLEN. HE WILL REMEMBER YOU FOR IT. IT CAN BE MAILED AS "PRINTED MATTER" BY PLACING THE TERM "SAMPLE" ON THE PRECIOUS DELIVERY.
TO: Mr. K. Smolen and Staff, Auschwitz Museum, Oswiecim, Poland
Dear Mr. Smolen,
In appreciation of your deep concern for gassed victims, I am hereby forwarding my personal trophy for your permanent Museum exhibits. I understand that you are intensely involved with the subject of gassing. Personally I feel rather miserable. Not even Zyklon B would cure me!

Truly disgraceful garbage. Zyklon B has been shown beyond any reasonable doubt to be the principal gas used to kill Jews in the gas chambers and mobile extermination units. Felderer's justification (in Court) of this as comprising "satire" adds insult to injury. The Watchtower were right to remove Felderer. However, whether they did it for the correct reason is questionable: Felderer would have ended up embarrassing them no end, and that became apparent to the Borg.

So what is your point? This issue is irrelevant to the analysis of the Watchtower and the Nazis, Jim. Felderer (obviously!) had no role WHATSOEVER to play in the quoted 1933-4 Watchtower publications and other racist materials emanating from the Watchtower around that time. And, sadly, the world is full of Holocaust deniers. They are either crazy, or wicked, or seriously deluded, or some combination thereof. To give them more publicity and oxygen is no intention of mine.

To state that not many jWs were murdered by the Nazis is a fact. To state that anything other than an enormous number of Jews, Romany people, homosexuals etc. were murdered by the Nazis is vile defamation. I take it you concur, Jim.

--
Focus
(Anti-Defamation League Class)


[Edited as I see sf has been busy too, and so probably does not need various other links I have ready when identifying and refuting Holocaust-Deniers]

Edited by - Focus on 3 November 2002 14:2:4

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KennesonRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Focus,

You mention the Watchtower Observer site in passing, I mentioned it because of the number of articles on the topic I found there.  I wasn't intending to offend you.  Sorry if I did.
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Focus  Re: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
Dear Kenneson:
I wasn't intending to offend you. Sorry if I did.

Of course you were not, and of course I wasn't offended* in the tiniest bit!

But thank you for your kindness.

What did you make of the issue?

Watchtower Observer's site is a mass (and morass) of valuable information to the researcher, and a store to which I have contributed - but it can be intimidating to the casual browser or lazy semi-jW. I present articles rather as does my friend Norm, in byte-size (or perhaps even bite-size) chunks.

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Focus
(Amityville Class)

* Dealing, from time to time as I must, with various Spiritual-Pimps who support the Watchtower's fiendish agenda, I speak directly. Amazing as it may sound, some bystanders misconstrue what I write as being a little aggressive (preferring the gentleness of the Watchtower message, which in summary is "Join us immediately and enter into lifelong slavery or our Leader will soon swoop down and massacre you and your little children"). Of course, that is an error you would not make. I am but a mild puss, snoozing in the sun until aroused.

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CoolBreezeRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

I'm totaly lost here ... Most of this stuff I allready knew from my own research. What I'm lost about here what Jim and focus are disagreeing about. All I see is a bunch of inuendo and veiled statements. Will somone please clue me in???? Maybe I just need more coffee.

 

Anton

 
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sfRe: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...

Roflololol!  Oh kontraire FOCUS...

Links please.  Everything you got.  Hold nothing back from The sKallywagger.  Even Tom Knows 'this'.

sKally
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Focus  Re: Real EVIL - the Watchtower and the Nazis. B...
CoolBreeze wrote:
I'm totaly lost here ... Most of this stuff I allready knew from my own research. What I'm lost about here what Jim and focus are disagreeing about. All I see is a bunch of inuendo and veiled statements. Will somone please clue me in????
... Anton

I really do not know what Jim is on about either!

No innuendo or veiled statements from me, as you will have observed (maybe some Progressive Revelation, I grant you, but not related to what Jim seems to be on about).

1. I published the article. No real New Light in it, just a collation of provable facts, threaded together logically. Extra material (compared to the Watchtower Observer repository) included:
* "pro-jW" sentiments (expressions of admiration, perhaps grudging, perhaps not) from SS Chief Himmler; and
* my own analysis of Hitler's Mein Kampf, showing the concurrence of some of the sentiments and beliefs expressed therein with what the Watchtower placed in the 1933-4 literature, refuting their later claim that they did not fully know what the Nazis were about;
* a better compilation of racist Watchtower kookery; and
* some very minor corrections to the translations from German.

2. Rizoli commented on Nov 2, 2002 23:36:
.. your understanding of what transpired in Germany is not corrrect.
If you really would like to see my research on the matter I will be glad to show you, I will do it off line and personal.
I've done some pretty intense research on the subject matter, and came across the brother who was used by WT to do research on the JW's who were in the camps, and when he presented his findings to Bethel they were not too happy with his conclusions.
The numbers didn't jive with what the WT was telling everyone in their literature, so to not look like liars they Dfd him and his information was not seen by the rank and file JW, and obviously not by you.
I have seen his information and it opened my eyes to a lot more than just what happened to the JW's.
If your interested let me know.

3. When pressed for more, by sf, and being replied to by myself, Jim told me on Nov 3, 2002 12:29:
I'm beyond the Jw stage here, [you Focus are] only on step one, your research has reached a dead end, old hat as they say. [snip] your just scratching the surface. To be quite honest with you I don't trust you with anything I have to say, because whatever I say you will misconstrue it.

and, then 27 minutes later, Jim supplied the name of "Ditlieb Felderer", together with (IMHO) a very flattering and materially incomplete thumbnail description of Felderer:
Ditlieb Felderer was born in a Nazi internment district in in 1942. His mother was of Jewish descent and religiously a Jehovahs Witness. To escape persecution, his family hiked over the mountains into . They lived there as refugees for many years until the emigrated to Sweden when his parents felt that sufficient time had passed after the end of the war and the internment. Felderer himself became interested in the Holocaust at age 13 in 1955 (Lenski 129). He did not begin to visit camps and conduct his extensive research until 1976, when he was working for the Jehovahs Witness publication Awake!
During this time, Felderer was assigned research on the history of the Jehovahs Witnesses and their internment by the Nazis during World War II. When he began his initial research on the holocaust, it was thought that 60,000 Jehovahs Witnesses were killed by the Nazis in death camps. After visiting the headquarters o the Jehovahs Witnesses in and the archives in , and the Scandinavian countries, Felderer discovered that in actuality, only approximately 200 Jehovahs Witnesses were killed. These findings upset the leadership of the sect and members were warned not to talk to Felderer.
He was actually DF'd for his findings. In a later Jehovahs Witness Yearbook, the leadership acknowledged Felderers research and conceded that only 200 were killed in death camps. But too late he was out on his ass!

The assumption has to be that Felderer is the person about whom Jim was speaking, apparently approvingly but perhaps ironically, in the Nov 2, 2002 23:36 post.

4. Perhaps Jim was only trying to provoke more research. I pointed out that, as Jim obviously must know already (having told us many times that my understandings are incorrect and he has abetter insight) - and as I did:
(a) Felderer is a notorious and thoroughly discredited revisionist Holocaust-denier, having been convicted of at least one related crime and who is the author of some of the most nauseous material which minimizes Nazi guilt; and
(b) Felderer was completely irrelevant to the matters raised in the lead post of this thread, as he was only 3 years old at the time the Nazis were beaten (the WT material pandering to Hitler having been written 9 years before Felderer was born), and Felderer had not done any of his "scientific analysis work" until 1976, i.e. well after the time of the Watchtower's 1960, 1963, 1973 and 1974 (whose Yearbook entry shifted the blame falsely from Brooklyn to the German JW Balzereit, a smear only 24 years later retracted by the WTS) publications on this subject.

5. I wrote:
.. the world is full of Holocaust deniers. They are either crazy, or wicked, or seriously deluded, or some combination thereof. To give them more publicity and oxygen is no intention of mine.
To state that not many jWs were murdered by the Nazis is a fact. To state that anything other than an enormous number of Jews, Romany people, homosexuals etc. were murdered by the Nazis is vile defamation. I take it you concur, Jim.
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Focus
(Anti-Defamation League Class)

To know where I am coming from, I should add that I have done work - anonymously - for the Nizkor Project in the past, and have completely satisfied myself - having looked at any amount of published evidence from "both sides" - that the Holocaust certainly occurred and that, in all major aspects, occurred as the major history books say it did.

6. Jim replied on Nov 3, 2002 14:39, edited on 3 November 2002 14:40:26, 14:45:8 and 14:54:27, that I had proved his point that he was quite right not to trust me (which is of course his prerogative), and:
I won't even bother to discuss this issue with you It's obviously where your comming from.
> Foscus said "They are either crazy, or wicked, or seriously deluded, or some combination thereof.
This statement sounds like you. ^
Your a sick puppy man!

How extraordinary! Which of my sentiments suggest I am crazy, wicked or seriously deluded sick puppy?

7. I repeat:
To state that not many jWs were murdered by the Nazis is a fact. To state that anything other than an enormous number of Jews, Romany people, homosexuals etc. were murdered by the Nazis is vile defamation.

You are obviously too clever for one or both of us, so please expand. If this is a Gullibility Test, may I make it clear that I really have no idea of what Jim's immuendo or veiled statements are about.

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Focus
("Enquiry Mode" Class)

ps: Dear sf and Tom - all will be satisfied in a little while. And yes, Tom, it took one crazy fanatic Himmler to recognize an organization founded on crazy fanaticism (for the rank and file, that is).

Edited by - Focus on 3 November 2002 16:34:41

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