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blondieCategories of Friendships


While reading minimus' post on whether some of us miss our friends at the KH, I remembered something I studied in sociology. We choose our friends for a variety of reasons and at different levels of closeness.  I personally feel friends at the KH are mostly "convenience" friends, in that if we changed to another congregation, we would have little further contact with them even if that congregation is in the same city. Its the convenience of seeing each other 2 to 3 times each week at a central location.

Then there are the "special interest" friends, the Truth being the special interest. It is easy to see that when this is gone, the friendship ends unless there are additional connecting factors such as history.

I thought it might be interesting to see what category our friends tend to fall into and why they do not survive our leaving the WTS.

 

1. Convenience friends

These are the neighbor or office mate or member of our car pool whose lives routinely intersect with ours. [...] But we don't... ever come too close or tell too much: We maintain our public face and emotional distance.

2. Special-interest friends

These friendships depend on the sharing of some activity or concern. [doing something together rather than just being together]

3. Historical friends

With luck we also have a friend who knew us... way back when... [childhood friends]

4. Crossroads friends

Like historical friends, our crossroads friends are important for what was -- for the friendship we shared at a crucial, now past, time of life...

With historical friends and crossroads friends we forge links strong enough to endure with not much more contact than once-a-year letters at Christmas, maintaining a special intimacy -- dormant but always ready to be revived -- on those rare but tender occasions when we meet.

5. Cross-generational friends

Across the generations the younger enlivens the older, the older instructs the younger. [...] And because we are unconnected by blood, our words of advice are accepted as wise, not intrusive, our childish lapses don't summon up warnings and groans.

6. Close friends

Although we may not expose as much -- or the same kinds of things -- to each of our closest friends, close friendships involve revealing aspects of our private self... [...] We reveal ourself not only by telling but also by wordlessly showing what we are, by showing the unattractive -- as well as the nice.
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LarryRe: Categories of Friendships

I love it!  I'll save this one - Thanks.

BTW - I've had many 'crossroad friends' since leaving the BORG.

Peace - LL
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blondieRe: Categories of Friendships

Thanks, Larry.  When I studied this, it helped me put my "friendships" in perspective.  I remember an old woman I helped out told me that she had many friends, but no one left that remembered when she was a little girl (historical friend) and she missed that.

Personally, I have a few friends but my motto is still:

TRUST NO ONE
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LarryRe: Categories of Friendships

Trust no one - Works with me :)

On a more serious note - did you write that 'friend list' based on your sociology notes or is that a quote from a book? 

Peace - LL
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blondieRe: Categories of Friendships

From  a book by Judith Viorst, Necessary Losses, Chapter 12, Friendships.

People in the US use the word "friend" very loosely, just like the word "love." 

Her categories are not written in stone, but they do illustrate how friendships differ, and in my case, why some seemingly melt away without any reason.

Good friendships don't "just happen" any more than good marriages. 

What passes for friendship at the KH many times is a mutual "using" of each other.  When you are no longer useful, they move on to the next usee.

So if you have a good friend, Larry, hang on and nurture that relationship and give at least as much as you get.

I still think changing location and/or congregation sifts out your real friends.   When it is no longer convenient, most will fade away. 
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ScullyRe: Categories of Friendships
This is a valuable list. I'm going to hang on to it, too.

I'd like also to offer an observation regarding the JWs. There were quite a lot of JWs whom I at one time considered to be "real" friends.

I wonder how many of us had those kinds of friendships with other JWs, that were later hindered because of WTS directives regarding loyalty to the organization over friendships within the congregation. It's strange how numbers on a field service report or a person's ability to go through life without questioning their belief system makes someone a better friend than others who don't 'measure up' the same way.

It really is a sad thing that so-called "real" friends allow a few old men living in a far-away place to dictate who can and cannot be their friends. I daresay that if more people practiced Christian love rather than the shunning that's required of JWs against DFd, DAd, and even inactive people or 'bad association' type of people, that you'd eventually have more congregations, and more people wanting to go back. But that doesn't happen, does it?

Love, Scully
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BeautifulGarbageRe: Categories of Friendships

Thanks, Blondie!

I have had friends in all those categories.

I remember a teacher I had in 8th grade say once to my class, "If you have three close friends in your ENTIRE life, you are extremely fortunate!" His definition of close was someone who accepted you completely and if you called them in the middle of the night with your car broke down 100 miles away, they wouldn't ask questions. They would throw on their robe and drive to help you. Of course, being 13 I didn't really understand the implications of what he was saying.  I just rolled my eyes. I would agree mostly with him now.

I just had another memory flash back.  There was a JW women that worked in the office I supervised. She was aware of my former JW affiliation. Every once in a while, she would try to sell me the advantages of being a JW. Her pitch was that she could go ANYWHERE there were JWs and would automatically have a network of friends. Ah, but I had remembered what my 8th grade teacher had said. I asked her if they were true "close" friends and went on to describe what a close friend was. I especially emphasized the "acceptance" part. She got real quiet and changed the subject.

Andee

 

Edited by - BeautifulGarbage on 24 August 2002 12:9:39

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teejayRe: Categories of Friendships
>> People in the US use the word "friend" very loosely, just like the word "love."

I couldn't agree more, Blondie.

Being df'd helped me understand the true meaning of friendship and what a friend really is. I realized that at the hall I didn't really have any. Of course, by it's very nature the atmosphere inside the WTS makes the having of real friends impossible since maintaining the faade of unity forces people to never fully reveal who they are, and that's an essential element in genuine friendship.

I use "friend" very sparingly the older I get, mainly because of what you've already said here about close (real) friends (and all the other categories). I see a friend as one who knows the real you because over time you have trusted them enough to show them the real you... and as they have come to know the real you they have kept on loving you just the same. Based on those criteria, I guess I'm lucky because I have several close friends, including most of my siblings. Not surprisingly, none of my friends are dubs.

Nice thread.
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patio34Re: Categories of Friendships

Great information Blondie!  Thanks.  Most of my friends are common interest friends and that suits me just fine.  Im actually a bit of a loner despite being very outgoing.  But most of the activities I enjoy are alone activities rather than team stuff.  Of course, Waiting is not in that category being my sister and very best friend.  I forget the category that one's in and since not all the posts show up on the reply page....oh, you know what I mean!  --Pat
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blondieRe: Categories of Friendships

Thanks Scully, BeautifulGarbage, Teejay, and Patio34.

I have found it useful in trying to sort out my life. 

Yes, Scully, it is sad that we let anyone dictate who our friends are.  Fear makes people do such unkinds things.

BeautifulGarbage (sure that isn't BeautifulGirl?), how lucky to have that teacher in your life. 

Teejay, no wine before its time, yes, friends take to grow and mature.  So nice to have a close relationship with your siblings.

Patio34, definitely has a close friend in her sister.  I love her posts.  Some think that siblings are automatically your friends.  Not so, it takes love and consideration for them too.

So watch the word "friend"; use it carefully and knowledgeably
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minimusRe: Categories of Friendships
conditional friend: a "friend" when it suits the person.
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blondieRe: Categories of Friendships
minimus, another word for that is a fairweather friend.
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minimusRe: Categories of Friendships
How many of these fairweather friends are our best friends now?
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LarryRe: Categories of Friendships

Blondie - I ordered the book - Thanks :)

I read some excepts off the net that also perked my interest, i.e. -

"It has also been proposed that separation guilt is appropriate, that growing up is a form of homicide and that the assumption of responsibility for ones own life and its conduct is in psychic reality tantamount to the murder of the parents... Thus, by becoming autonomous (instead of remaining dependent), by establishing inner restraints (instead of needing our parents to serve as our external conscience), by cutting emotional ties (instead of seeking our gratifications within the family), by taking care of our needs (instead of surrendering that care to our mother and father), we annihilate our parents roles and take them unto ourselves."

"College-bound Roger, for instance, snarls through his last few months at home, battling with his parents every day. He cant face his wish to stay, but if he arranges to leave feeling mad instead of sad he can avoid the pain of separation."

"Brendas promiscuity appears to be a statement of independence: I am a sexual woman, not a child. Except that the point of the sex is not the during but the cuddles before and after. She probably doesnt know that she is trying not to go away from mother..."

"Drugs can blunt the mourning - why not get high instead of cry? Cults can replace the familial security. Dependent attachments or flights into marriage where mates are made into mummies can keep boys and girls adolescents all their life...

Peace - LL

Edited by - Larry on 28 August 2002 16:29:13

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blondieRe: Categories of Friendships

If you glean anything else, Larry, let me know. 
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