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The Manageable Human

 

Disassembling Personal Boundaries

 

Disassembling personal boundaries clears the way for abusive behavior. It allows the abusers the freedom to violate people who defer to them without expectation of consequences to the abuser.

 

The Watch Tower Publishing Corporate Conglomerate, directing all and speaking for their agents, Jehovah's Witnesses, has honed and perfected a system designed to eliminate almost all personal boundaries of it's members and train them to accept all kinds of behaviors that these members would never accept in a healthy environment.

 

They are taught that healthy human reactions to outrageous or offensive behaviors are a sign of spiritual illness or immaturity.

 

Humility is a favorite catchword and a pivot point. The member with almost no boundaries is the most humble. Members offend other members and cross human boundaries frequently and the offended member is not supposed to resent the offense or break rapport. The offense is most often delivered as "counsel". Those members with the least reaction to outrageous invasive behaviors by other group members are the most humble. Members are constantly tested and those members wanting to be social and accepted must submit to frequent personal inquisition and invasion on many levels.

 

Where's your necktie brother? Your skirt is too short sister!  Anything of a personal nature, like my choice of clothing, hair combing, design of transportation vehicle, or my choice of friends, is protected by personal boundaries. It is never okay to comment to me on any of these choices unless I ask for your opinion. It is never okay for a casual acquaintance to inquire about or judge my sex behaviors, my choices of medical treatment, the food I choose to eat, or my motives for doing anything.

 

The Watch Tower Corporation's first job with a new recruit is to justify the disassembling of those personal boundaries. They do that with statements like this:

 

"The purpose of considering a Bible character is to show what can be learned from his example. Acts of faithfulness, courage, humility, and unselfishness furnish good examples to be followed; unfaithful acts as well as undesirable traits stand as strong warnings to turn Christians away from an improper course." Our Kingdom Ministry,  October 1999 page 3 

 

Dispensing with personal boundaries is seen as faithful, courageous, humble, and unselfish, while healthy offense and dislike for invasion of boundaries is seen as unfaithful and undesirable behavior. Once the group member has accepted this, the way is clear for the workers of the high personal control to move in. Another way to keep the members under the control of the group leaders is to identify normal, healthy human tendencies as spiritual weaknesses.

 

"Am I as eager to engage in the ministry as I am to go on an outing? Am I as willing to spend time preparing for meetings as I am to shop or watch TV?" The Watchtower, April 15 1999, page 20  How to Recognize and Overcome Any Spiritual Weakness

 

Those who are not eager to engage in unpaid distribution of religious literature on their only day off from work are painted as spiritually weak. The same with those who do not really enjoy putting on an IBM business suit or a dress and pantyhose and sit through a two hour meeting on a weeknight.

 

So here we have it. Healthy human needs, preferences, and desires are seen as illness, normal feelings of offense when a personal boundary is breached is seen as pride, and dislike for and loss of rapport with the offender is seen as lack of the fruitage of God's spirit in our activities.

 
"This is reflected in the degree to which the fruitage of Gods spirit is manifest in all our activities." The Watchtower April 15, 1999 page 20

 

Next time a Jehovah's Witness comments to me about my choice of clothing, my car, my home, my music, or my friends, and threatens to shun me unless I allow it to continue, I realize a boundary is being crossed and I am being insulted and abused in the name of God. Is this the essence of religious abuse?

 

 gb

 

 Comments welcome:-)

 
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FrancoisRe: personal boundaries

This is an excellent post. And it makes very valid observations. Compare it to the absence of boundaries of any kind in an abusive family.

My family of origin was and is utterly dysfunctional. There were no boundaries. As a teenager, my parents read my mail, listened in on my phone conversations, told me how to cut my hair, how to spend my time, and on and on and on. My father could and did come home almost every night at least tipsy. But if he smelled any beer on my mother's breath, she "smelled like a brewery." And, "You've been out running the road with Shirley again haven't you?" He was a totally fearful little man, afraid of everything and everyone. He hid this behind this rough, bluff, exterior. And, he was the coward I always thought he was.

The WTBS is just like the abuser in a dysfunctional family. And you know what? You can get the abuser to stop, to come to a screeching halt - just like you can with any other coward - by one very well aimed, powerful punch right in the nose, delivered with all the strength you've got. That is, by establishing or re-establishing your boundaries in no uncertain terms.

I've never seen a coward ever attempt anything else once the boundaries were set.

So how do we apply that to the WTBTS?

francois
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DinoRe: personal boundaries

Wow gb, excellent thoughts and right on target!

I recall with horror my "counseling" a brother on his gowing a beard. Man did I ever violate his boundaries. Especially now that I sport a goatee! Oh well, I did apologize personally to him.

I always enjoy your posts and your kindness.

Dino
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outoftheorgRe: personal boundaries

 Francois in reply to you, I found a good start was to tell the elders that I no longer respected them. Did so by telling them they need the shxt kicked out of them. That got me out of the borg and since then I send every one I know to the internet and or distribute copies of what is on the internet.

This is a really good intelligent easy to understand post. Thanks for all the work and time you put into it.  

Edited by - outoftheorg on 24 July 2002 17:24:57

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XandriaRe: personal boundaries

GB:

   Interesting post, I agree that the WTS. can only walk over you if you allow it. You are in control of what abuse you take as an ADULT.  But a child.. that is a whole other issue. Because you are dependant upon the support your parents give to you.  Yet it should not be that way... your parents love and support should be unconditional. 

Xandria
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garybussRe: personal boundaries
 
Thanks Dino,  Life as a Witness was just a continual double bind.  There never was a good choice. e.g.,  Go to meetings when I am tired and need some rest, or be seen by my friends and family as spiritually weak or ill. It never ended for me.
 
 Francois, The life in the Watch Tower Corporation and life in my parents home was all the same. There was no home and church division. It was the home phase of the religion, and the school phase of the religion, and the book distribution phase of the religion.  My parents kept me overwhelmed all the time with religious threats and personal threats.  I never had a break from it as a juvenile.

They wanted to be sure I behaved as an adult as they tried to educate me as a child and it worked.

1. Make me go to hundreds of boring religious meetings as a child, I grow up to hate boring religious meetings.

2. Beat me and yell at me and I grow up to resent you for beating me and yelling at me.

Anyone add to the list?
 
 
gb
 
 

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HmmmRe: personal boundaries

3. Teach me antiquated, misogynistic views of women, and I will grow up to view you as an antiquated, misogynistic organization.

Hmmm
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DutchieRe: personal boundaries

Gary, I remember those Thursday night meeting when it would have made all the difference in the world if I could have just worn the pantsuit that I had worn to work.  Bu no, I have to put on heels and pantyhose and my long flowing flowery dress so that I would be dressed "appropriately" for the meeting.

Added to that that sometimes I was so rushed getting the kids ready for the meeting and getting something to eat that I would oftentimes just grab my dress and accessories and change in the women's room at the Kingdom Hall. 

I had no personal boundaries, and my choices were all watchtower inspired.

Edited by - Dutchie on 24 July 2002 18:24:55

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SYNRe: personal boundaries
Great post! And a good comment there, HMMMM!
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Nathan NatasRe: personal boundaries

I just want to express my gratitude that you, Gary, are a part of this online community. My only regret is the terrible price you paid for your freedom.

There are several others here for whom I've tried to express my gratitude in the past, and no doubt many more for whom I shall express my gratitiude in the future.

Some have suggested that we ought not be so self-congratulatory and complimentary because of the way the WTS might spin such statements. I've thought about the issue of "how will the WTS view such expressions," and I've come to the conclusion that I DON'T CARE what the WTS thinks or has to say about anything -- they can be assured that they will never see me expressing gratitude for THEM.

I'd rather be judged as "overly effusive" by the WTS than let any witty, talented, funny or long-suffering visitor here wonder if their message struck a chord with anyone.

Edited by - Nathan Natas on 24 July 2002 18:0:7

Edited by - Nathan Natas on 24 July 2002 18:4:38

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libra_spiritRe: personal boundaries

garybuss,

That was a most excellent post!
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Guest 77Re: personal boundaries
Francois, here's one you'll enjoy. My pioneer partner lied behind my back and I was removed as a Book study conductor because of it.

I got a little tipsy one night and I beat the crap out of him! The brother went out in service the next day and the congregation servant asked what happened to his face, he told him the story. The overseer said to me,....... "What you did was not right, but he deserved it!"

Nothing happened to me. I got back my job. I didn't talk about it, I did something about it.


Guest 77
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Nathan NatasRe: personal boundaries

Guest77 -

SWEET!

You Canadians certainly are prone to violence, aren't you?

 - "American Cowboy" Nathan

Edited by - Nathan Natas on 24 July 2002 19:41:25

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CowboyRe: personal boundaries

GB-great post,very good,valid point.

I liked everyone's comments,especially Nathan's,that I don't care what they think anymore.Perhaps that is a sign of placing a boundary on the influence the WTS has in our lives.

Cowboy
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SentinelRe: personal boundaries

gb,

Great post as always.  I suppose we all have questioned ourselves, now that we are "out", as to how we could ever have allowed ourselves to be "taken in" so horribly.  It is a crush to us.  We feel so used and abused.

Perhaps we fall into it, because we are "used" to being abused. Perhaps we come from an abusive, dysfunctional family already, and fit right into the borg, like the piece of a puzzle.  We actually feel comfortable, protected, at peace.  We know nothing else.

The problem many have with "coming to a screeching halt", or "stopping", is that usually, family members are inmeshed in the organization.  If one member even misses a meeting, the others all try to see what's wrong, or invade the privacy of that person.  They do this, not so much because they believe that the person's spiritual life is at stake.  They do it because they fear being "abandoned" by the person trying to leave.  Does this make any sense? 

Long before JW's ever came to our home back in 1959, my mom was an emotional basket case.  She was in a very unhappy, unfulfilled marriage, but she was a good woman.  She tried really hard and got beaten down over and over.  But, she was "used" to existing like that.  She passed that behavior, that acceptance on to her children.  JW's gave her the attention she needed, but she settled into a "similar marriage" with them.  We just followed along as obedient children. 

She was afraid of loneliness and had to control us.  She made all our decisions for us, even up to the time I left at age 21.  The clothes I wore, the style of my hair.  She read ALL my mail, before I got home from school/work/service.  She had to control  us, because dad controlled her and everything else.  They didn't drink.  They didn't do drugs.  And, they thought we had a "normal" family.  All of us kids were suffocating.  To have the JW's settle in and dictate more control through the organization and our mother, we had no boundaries at all.

When we finally see things in the light, we are hurt, angry, frustrated.  We naturally rebel.  Sometimes we hurt ourselves further because we don't get healed first before we try to "make things right again".  We literally have to re-train ourselves and our thought processes.  We have to begin again and that is no easy task. That's why this common bond in places like this Forum do so much good.

I think about all of you on here.  I think about the heartache and pain that we all share as this common bond; but I also see the courage, hope, strength, comfort, love, joy and peace that abounds as well.  Most all of us are adults.  Look how long it took us to "fix" ourselves.  And the work still continues.

Children have no choices.  Parents decide for them.  They are at the mercy of their parents, if their parents don't make wise choices. And, if parents are being damaged by the WBTS, then it trickles right on down. So, that's why there are a heck of a lot of folks out here that are adults trying to fix themselves.  They are trying to repair relationships with mates, children, family and friends. Stuff that has been engrained into their minds from tender years and on through the JW experience.

My brother said to me recently that he hasn't met a "normal" family.  He doesn't think it's possible or that it could ever exist.  Perhaps our society has damaged itself so badly through the years, even without JW influence, that the family unit is falling apart.  Add the JW influence, and the mess is only compounded.

Parents bear a great responsibility to try and get it right with themselves.  They need to allow their children the freedom to choose.  Faith in a peticular belief cannot be "forced".  And, what good is attending all the meetings, and "doing" all the right things, if you don't feel it in your heart?

This means, that "children", should not be getting baptized.  They should not be told that they will die a horrible death at Armegeddon if they aren't baptised.  I've seen posts on here where the person indicates that they have been baptised as young as eleven!  That is outrageous.This type of control and removal of bounderies is the practice of cults.  Personal choice is gone.  Listening to one's own conscience, gone.  Inability to make simple choices--even when "it's ok", is gone.......... We've had a lot taken from us.

Now we are getting it back.

                                                            One day at a time, in love.

Karen/Sentinel

Edited by - Sentinel on 24 July 2002 18:29:54

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SatanusRe: personal boundaries

Excellent, gary.

Nathan

Right on.  I don't care either what the wt thinks of this site.  I don't care much about what those who are concerned about what dubs think, think of this site.  By dragging in the wt comparison, they are also bringing in wt authority.  Since most of us have dumped or are in the process of ridding ourselves of wt authority, why bring it back?

SS
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DanTheManRe: personal boundaries

The WT is the very definition of religious abuse

Franc, I enjoyed your comments.  There is one elder I used to know who was a pioneer and sub circuit overseer, a Society Man if there was one.  His friendly manner masked a vicious contempt of males in the congos he viewed as weak.  "WHY AREN'T YOU REACHING OUT????" was his platform mantra.  If I ever see him, and I have the nerve, he's going to get a big "FUCK YOU" from me.  Or at least the bird.  Uneducated car detailer judging my spirituality - gotta love that borg.
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DiaRe: personal boundaries

What is all that door-to-door rehearsal about anyway?

Lots and lots of practice in how to NOT respect someone, how to NOT take a person's word for anything....how to ignore people.....how to walk all over their communications to you...learning how to assume that you know better than they do what is best for them and how to IMPOSE yourself on them.  How to subvert them, cajole and manipulate them. 

For Jehovah's sake, of course.
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garybussRe: personal boundaries
 
 
Thanks Nathan, libra, Cowboy, SS, All
 
 
The conflict starts when I leave the group and get some recovery behind me. Now when I associate with a Witness, they are still back there in the behavior of dispensing of personal boundaries and invariably they will step over one of my lines and now I will notice it.  I notice it and I do not accept it anymore.

One of my JW mother's favorite violations of my boundaries occurred when she would talk about people who were not there, gossip.  The first time I stopped her when she was trying to gossip to me about someone she just looked at me and said, "What's wrong with you?".

The Witnesses are so conditioned to the elimination of personal boundaries that they do not even know they are doing it.  That is one reason they are disliked by the world so much.  They insult people without even being aware they are doing it.  They think they are hated because of God or Jesus.  The truth is they just piss people off.
 
gb
 
 
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COMFRe: personal boundaries
Nice to see you posting again, Gary.  And something of substance, too!  Got me beat on that one. :)
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