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LieuRe: Questioned for being happy!

If you would have been the Ethopian...ie. joyful and going about your way happy...they would have dried you off and annulled your baptism.

Happiness does conform to being ever persecuted in this day and age....How dare you sin in that fashion!!!
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uggRe: Questioned for being happy!
how sad for you.....to be hit with a statement that you made a year previously....that had to have hurt...alot.....but,,,,it is none the less typical.....
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lastcallRe: Questioned for being happy!

   Jim, that sort of thing happens to me all the time, I'm not df'd or da'd but did the fade.

My old friends just don't get it. ' How can he be happy?  He's left the org!" It does scare them. Yet sometimes I think they are intrigued. Hopefully these friendly run-ins make some think a little.

BTW, I listened to your commitee meeting on your appeal yesterday. You were railroaded bro. It's powerful stuff.

It was cool listening to you. I feel like I kinda know you better.
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Incense_and_PeppermintsRe: Questioned for being happy!

When the elders were tracking me down before I got the boot, they asked me what I meant from a statement I made to a Jw I met in a store a yr or so before, at this point in time I wasn't going to meetings.

holey moley. what is it with people like that anyway? you made that statement a whole year before and then they asked you to justify it? oh brother. i don't know what planet they are from, but it's the same place where all thought police come from...
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hemp loverRe: Questioned for being happy!

I had a similar experience while talking to my father about six months after I was df'ed. Typical phone conversation: he asked how I was, expecting the obligatory "fine." I decided to be more specific. I said, "I'm happy. I'm SO happy right now." Silence.

He never asked why or what I meant, if perhaps something special had happened in my life. It was over a year before he spoke to me again. The way I was treated by my family after I left the religion was actually what prompted me to start researching it.
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ve9graRe: Questioned for being happy!

Hey Jim,

After Lastcall's comment I decided to listen to your tape. WOW is all I have to say! It was just as if I was hearing my cong elders! Once they have something in mind, they won't let any evidence that disproves it or anything else change the way they think. When ppl are using the "borg" term, I'm not sure exactly what it means but me being a Star Trek fan I can't help but think of the Borg... Bunch of mindless drones...

We were one of the biggest cong around, it was just about to be split in two because we were nearing the 150 ppl at Sunday meetings. Beeing a very big cong, there was a lot of kids. I was one of 'em. When all these kids hit the mid-teens, OUCH! They were announcing DFings left, right and center! I lost over half my friends in DFings. Then I started really hating (I know it's a strong term but I mean every bit of it) all the elders of my cong. I rebelled. I said "Screw you guys, they're my friends". I started hanging out with them again (two of 'em being my cousins (brother and sister)). I was reprimanded for that. Lost all my "priviledges" (yeah, right!.. you mean chores ). I was so pissed off at the whole world (I didn't know of anything else, being brought up in the JW) I just stoped going in field service. Then stopped going to meetings. Made friends with worldly ppl, started dating, etc... Then the elders tried to put more pressure on me to come back (there was virtually no teen left in the cong). Putting pressure on my mom and my adoptive dad. Starting sh*t in my family. That didn't go too well. In my last year of HS, things were so tense in my family that my parents were always fighting. My mom taking my side, saying that she was not going to stop me from doing what I thought was right (she had a bright kid , 2nd highest grade in HS and college). She had faith in me but my 'dad' was only thinking of how it reflected on him. Well, one day, fighting got so bad between my 'rents that for fear that he was going to hit her.... I pulled a gun on him (BB gun that is -- hey, it woulda still hurt). Shortly after (after grad) I moved away. Moved over 2500 miles away. When I came back, all was changed.

Get this... I come back, a lot more of my friends have been DF'd, lots have moved (even one elder) for being tired of putting up with all the cover-ups and the back-stabbing happening there. And on top of it all... my mom is DF'd, my 'dad' has moved away, got DF'd and is now GAY!!

I'm not going to give any info about my mom's DF'ing (it's up to her to tell you about it) but all I'll say is they basically acted the exact same way they did at your appeal, Jim. They did the same for my cousin's and my friends. They have their heads so far up their a$$es it's not funny!

Now, the cong is very small... compared to what it once was... there's around 40-50 ppl in regular attendance, half of which are either crooked, too dumb to get out -- totally brain-washed (or should I say cell-washed), or just too old to go anywhere else. The other half are new and still haven't seen all the borg has to offer!

I'm now very happy with being out, the only thing I miss is all the girls I could get to meet in all those hot dresses  Damn I miss that meat market!

Wow... I kinda went on rambling there, eh?? Oh well... I needed to get this out. Maybe this wasn't the thread to do it in, but whatever. That'll give you one tiny piece of insight on who "ve9gra" is.

PS: And, no, it's not  'Viagra'
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Reborn2002Re: Questioned for being happy!

jjrizo-

Where is the link which will provide the access to your committee meeting tape? I would like to hear it and could not find it on either of your websites.

Could you provide the hyperlink?

Thanks

 
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FarkelRe: Questioned for being happy!

j,

: I said to this Nazi Jw that I was the happiest that I ever was

The "Happiest People On Earth(tm)" just hate it when someone says it and actually means it.  THAT REALLY PISSES THEM OFF!

You deserved their wrath and its consequences, you big dummy.

Farkel

 
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ve9graRe: Questioned for being happy!
Reborn2002: I got it from here http://jwinfoline.com/audio/jim_rizoli.mp3
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Tinkerbell4125  Re: Questioned for being happy!

WOW Jim!

I just listened to your audio committee meeting. I've sat here ALL morning, when I have so much to do, but I couldn't pull myself away from it!!!  That takes a lot of guts my friend!!!  I applaud you!

Talk about major flashback!!! 

Hearing and reading these post, only comfirm my feelings of the org. Thank-you for sharing!  I'll post my story one of these days, when I get the nerve up, I guess.

Tink =;o)
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SYNRe: Questioned for being happy!
Welcome, Ve9! What a downright shameful story! It's such a pity that this BORGanization drags people through stupid experiences the way you had it...we never do that to people in UADNA
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MumRe: Questioned for being happy!

Being happy outside the Borg is the ultimate red flag for the typical JW.  After all, I remember being instructed not to waste time on householders who were "happy with their church" or thought life was mostly good or that world conditions could be progressing in a positive direction.

Regards,

Mum, who is happier than ever, too!
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SentinelRe: Questioned for being happy!

JJ,

Thanks for the great post.  For awhile after leaving the JW's, I was just thrashing around trying to find personal direction, but the one thing I was certain of was that I was gonna be alright. Sure enough, the darkness and gloom of living a lie, and indecisive behavior, gave way to light at the end of the tunnel.  I actually began to "feel good", to be able to "enjoy life".  I still had a very long way to go. 

The rumors spread about my so-called decision to "pursue sin" by leaving. I mean, the fact that I would actually leave on my own was totally unacceptable, so they had to figure out a way to deal with the congregation's reaction to my departure ( I was very well know, having been in for many years.)  It didn't take long before my foundation of acquaintences and  friends began whispering about me privately, ignoring me in public places, walking right past me so stiff and stauch.  Other's avoided me like the plague.  Some actually were embarrassed and tried to hide "before they thought I'd seen them". It did hurt, but I knew I was really on my way to healing and happiness.

No more friendly invitations to social gatherings.  No more phone calls from my closest friends. No more invitations for my son to join his "friends" for a movie.   It was actually my own mother who spread the stuff about me, and began the shunning.  She was humiliated that I had made the decision I did.  It made her look bad I suppose. She was very angry with me.  ( I was not even df'd this time.)  But I sure "felt" the loss.  It hurt very much, but not enough to make me regret my decision.

Now, after many years of being out, I have found true joy and happiness, not just the outward smile and laugh, but the genuiene contentment and peace way down deep.  Recently, mom, who began speaking to me again in 1992 (no doubt due to some "new light") absolutely cannot understand how I can possibly be happy. But, knowing that I am happy, she has reasoned  that because I have "so little time left", Jah is "allowing me to be happy, even if it's a false happiness".  Is that sick or what?

Lately, though, she has really begun to inquire a bit more and she is really curious about "me" and what I'm doing personally.  I have been able to tell her that I am spiritual, but that I am not in a religion.  (She had thought that I was going to another church or something.)  Other than the superficial "how are you", I could never express my opinions to her, because she discounted them.  Now, she is listening.  This has been a very big change in our relationship.  At least she is thinking for herself a bit.

I am going to go now and try to check out your audio.

Karen/Sentinel
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