I posted this in another section and thought I'd bring it up here to see what people thought. If this has already been discussed, I apologize.

As a businessman, I always connect events to the money. The reason for the Malawi/Mexico seeming contridiction popped right out at me when reading Crisis of Conscience, although Ray Franz never made this connection clear.

You'll recall the society lied about being a religion for the sole purpose of being able to acquire the property holdings from the Mexican brothers. They claimed to be a "cultural" organization and didn't pray or use the bible in their gatherings. No doubt the Mexican officials granted them this status reasoniong that no bona fide religion would go so far as to deny prayer and the bible.

As a side note: Isn't it interesting how all the "false" religions in Mexico could not have concientiously done such a thing? Therefore, although they didn't own their own property; all the "false" religions continued to study the bible, sing their devotional songs, and openly pray together as Jesus commanded; while Jehovah's Witnesses led a life of open rebellion against Christ spurred on by the Society.

Anyway, my point is that if you are presenting yourself as a "cultural" organization and not a religion, you can't have a bunch of religious nuts backing up the court system as contientious objectors can you?

I can guarantee that WT leadership knew full well that if that happened, they would lose their "cultural" status and be forced to fork over millions of dollars in property holdings. They might have been liable criminally as well.

So while they didn't mind people dying for 25 cents in Malawi, they also didn't mind lying and stealing from the Mexican government for their share of the Mexican loot.

It was strictly a business decision. When looked at from this standpoint, there is no contridiction.

Does anyone here doubt that if their status was religious as opposed to cultural, and financial concerns were non-existant; that the brothers would have been forced into filthy Mexican prisons on the cumpulsory military issue?

dear perry,

i agree,...........then later they could use the whole thing as a promotion!!!.........."send letters to malawi"........"we are being persecuted!".........send money to the gov body for "aid for the malawi victims"...............then later....."we proudly announce the purchase of another building in brooklyn".

Yes, its quite easy to send others to the gallows when you are safe and secure under the American constitution with millions of people hanging on your every word as if its straight from the Almighty.

Thanks for the comments.

crawdad2:

I never even thought of that. They must have cleaned up on the blood of the brothers just as they benefitted financially from the Mexicans lying and bribery. Time and time again, money flows in their direction immediately after a crisis or policy change. Funny isn't it. Their crookedness is comparable to Jim Jones.

6of9:

thanks buddy. my server has been down on my web site. I'll send you the pics today from another e-mail account.

Perry

My brother vacationed in Cancoon yearly and confirmed the story in Ray Franz book. That is one of the reasons he left the Dubs. Amazing isn't it. Just Amazing!!!

I just had discussed the Mexico history with a sister that was trying to encourage me to return.  However, I did not cover this bit of history on the military card, I never even made the connection until reading this.  I will share this news with her next time we go for lunch.  It is so sad to think of the cold hearts these men can have and yet be the sole earthly channel of Jehovah.  Yeah Right

I will not darken their doorway again.

Also, a sister that has not been to another congregation in two years was just called up for Judical Meeting on her doing XMAS, they finally got their two witnesses.  I asked the sister I was having lunch with if she thought any brothers bought fireworks in 2005, of which are only sold for certain events, she said probably so.  I asked her if any worked in the trades with out the appropriate licenses and she said probably so, also did any have illegal extra units that they rented out on their property, not meeting building codes, probably because everyone does it here.  So they have to go after the single mother who hangs balls on a tree and spreads good cheer.  I told her that because I will remain a loyal friend, I will most certainly continue my friendship. Plus I know eventually I will be called upon when someone needs to run to the elders and "tell on me" for brownie points.  I told her that I would never go to a Judical Meeting, it is only Jehovah that I go to with good news and bad news. 

SICK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Peace,

Sheri

 

 

Here's what happened in Mexico (best as I can remember from "Crisis of Conscience"). The Mexican government at the time had compulsory military service for its male citizens of a certain age. The WT Society secretly sent letters to the Mexican leaders of JW's saying they would make it a conscience matter if those brothers bribed government officials to get cards that they had served one year in the military.

Meanwhile in far-away Malawi, with the other side of their mouth, the WT Society forbade their members from purchasing an identification card worth 25 cents that said they belonged to the political party. This would not be a "conscience matter".

So in one place they could buy their way out of problems, and in a far away Malawi they couldn't. The Watchtower wanted to have a cause around which to rally their troops, and the situation in Malawi provided the perfect opportunity.

For more information on this you might check out this web page: http://www.freeminds.org/history/crisis.htm

 

Isn't it good to know that God sustained them so that they can continue to convolute or distort the truth.

Faith works in mysterious ways. What's attributed to God turns out to be man's folly.

Hello everyone. I am writing from Turkey, Istanbul. I have been searching the internet these past few months about JW's "dirty clothes". the reason I am doing this research is that, I want to know the truth. I am raised as a JW. I am still a sister (officially). My husband is a very devoted JW. But he is very open to discussion. I have trouble finding concrete facts to prove JW's are wrong. He does not want to trust the books written by ex-JW's (such as Raymond's books). I really would like to prove him, and myself that this military service thing in Mexico is real. I mean the JW's there were "bribing" the officials in order to get the Cartilla. How can I prove this? I thought about writing to the bethel in NY and in Mexico.. Is there anyone here who is mexican or lives in Mexico, and who could give me details about this? I would really really appreciate your help. I am trying to make my decision, I am torn apart. My husband is about to go to military service and he will be in trouble as he will refuse to wear uniform and take weapon. I do not want my husband to waste his 2-3 years in prison for nothing. In Turkey the military service for males is compulsory... My parents has decided JW is wrong; they are not telling anyone just yet, because I told them I could not handle this change for now.(psychologically I mean. I already had some issues, and this was like the final blow..) I am feeling I was fooled my whole life. I missed a lot of good things bec of the organizations stupid rules. I am trying to find concrete proofs to make my final decision. And I want to save my husband as well. I feel in my heart that this religion is false. I need your help...

Just adding a post on here so I can find it easier later.  This is a good thread that I was just thinking about the other day. 

Compare this with Daniel refusing to stop prayer IN FULL VIEW from his window even if it meant his death.