Reasons why we hate JW's (as an org)

by ashitaka 63 Replies latest jw friends

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    Francois: I am not aware of any community centers for the Elohim on any other planet. I don't deny that these things may have occured. However it seems to be that many forget that these are imperfect humans, the holy writings of the saints tell us that we should expect to be offended. In these circumstances, as I have stated to Amarie, those that ignore the counsel of being reasonable will face the judgement of King Yeshua.

    Worf: The leaders of the servants of Elohim try and give application to the words that the Holy Saints wrote down for us so many ages ago.
    What many view as rules are simply an attempt at application of principals. Many tend to forget that in the end, the Elohim will Judge all. And Any witness to Yeshua will tell you that. It appears that many may tend to get cuaght up as pleasers of men. The leaders of the witnesses of Elohim have published the fact that sometimes the servants that work with them side by side, would make worship to Elohim difficult.

    Waygooder: I suggest you research Elohim.

    Syn:
    Although you seem to have animosity towards me. I do find amusement in your post.

  • worf
    worf

    Xenu,

    I appreciate you posting an answer to me but the simple fact is that all this talk about Elohim does nothing to address what any of us has PROVEN TO YOU, about the control of lives by the borganization known as the watchtower society. Therefore if you are going to answer on this subject, address the issues raised and do it with PROOF, like the rest of us has done. You are simply trying to make excuses for the leaders of the borg with unprovable imaginary doctrine using some other vague belief system.
    Guess what: IT DOESN'T WORK!!!!
    Respectfully,

    worf(warrior class)

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    Worf:
    Thank you for your appreciation. May Elohim Bless. With, all due respect, you havent proven anything. What I have acknowledged is that there are some amongst the leaders of those that give testimony, who have overstepped the boundaries of what is written in the Holy Sayings of the Saints. And as someone else stated such overstepping never comes from those that profess to be of the annointed, those that write for the Leaders of the Jehovahs

  • Valis
    Valis

    Xenu, I suggest YOU research the word Elohim. It refers to the spirit and nature of God, not a moniker, like Jehovah by any means.

    HMMM....wondering which troll Xenu really is...

    Sincerely,

    District Overbeer

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    Valis:
    I suggest you research other views of the Holy Title Elohim. For those that claim to have an open mind, I am beginning to question your ability to exchange views without attacks. One viewpoint is this.

    'ELOHIM was, at one time, prior to the formation of Yis_ra'EL, the MOST HIGH GOD of Canaan / Kh_na'an . The supremacy of 'ELOHIM was cherished and maintained by the people of the Levant and later with Abraham , the ancient "patriarch" of the 'Ivriy / Hebrews, cherished and maintained by the standard employed within the term or embodiment surrounding the now mythical Melchizedek , which, seemingly appearing to take on a seperate life of its own ascending to these mythical purportions, was even legendary in the time of Abraham. This legendary tradition of Melchizedek is very ancient, its original meaning virtually lost until this time. As for "Abraham", the name, in its variations, was a relatively common name in the ancient period in question, common especially among the clans of the ancient caravan routes of the Levant and Mesopotamia. Melchizedek, Mal_khiy-tzehthehq , mentioned in Genesis 14, was a titular designation meaning roughly "my righteous, or my just king", etc., referring to someone, a priest-king, perhaps, or an individual whose name has been lost to time and history, for whatever reasons might be in order. Another understanding, according to THWORAH 'ELOHIM (which you will come to learn), equally valid, is that of the term, mal_'akkh, an "angel", messenger, herald, prophet, or priest of honorable and correct righteousness under spiritual justification and the proper reflection before the ETERNAL, 'ELOHIM , both feasible and nurturing interrelation. Mal_'ahkh, the foundation stone of the name or term, Mal_khiy-tzehthehq , rises from the following root verbal terms: mahlai' to be full, to become full; to overflow, to be filled, to be complete; to make full, to fill; to be filled, to become full, to be satisfied, to be completed; to make full, to fill in or up [as in a set or domain, of categories or regions or bases]; to be filled in [as if to complete or evolve], to be set [of gems]; to make one another full, to assist each other [to love one another]; mahlai', filling up; full, filled, abundant; strong, pregnant; substantive fulness, abundance, adverb fully; m_lo' fulness, what fills up; multitude; m_lai'ah, fulness, abundance; tithes of grain and wine; millu'ah, a filling in, setting [of gems, as in the Aaronic breastplate of the twelve regions; and finally millu'iym, installation [of priest], consecration; setting [of stones]. Certainty will remain elusive without the employment of THWORAH 'ELOHIM , as given to the world through H'al_mahshiyach . Aside from the importance of the concept, of who Mal_khiy-tzehthehq was, all that will be known without the METHOD of THWORAH 'ELOHIM is that it signified the highest calling one could aspire to in becoming the high priest or standard-bearer of the MOST HIGH GOD , 'EL , who, fully capable and proficient, could then serve to unlock the secrets and ancient verities that were carried in this language and culture. Through such a person, or through the standard contained within this title, Mal_khiy-tzehthehq, the sacred was introduced and preserved.

    Your statement of calling me a troll is viewed as an attack on my character. This appears to be a common trait among many who post here. It appears to be some sort of defense as a final answer. It is indeed sad. I will no longer respond to your post. I ask that you do the same with mine.

  • worf
    worf

    Zenu,

    If I haven't proven anything, then neither have you.

    If you want, tomorrow I will post to you, the references of control.

    worf(warrior class)

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Well, well, well, getting completely off subject, are we? Not surprising. When the hard questions come up, debating meaningless doctrine is always of benefit.

    Religion should be about people, Xenu, PEOPLE. Taking care of them, loving them.

    And when you abandon love for rhetoric, then you are not a God-fearing man, but a man looking to raise himself up in the name of God.

    If you truly want to know the truth about JW's take a good look into the books they make you give people. Read between the lines...you'll see the real truth soon enough, if you're willing to look with your eyes and not your fear.

    ashi

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Another thing I hate...trying to reason with people who are beyond reason...some of us do it every day with JW relatives.

    We could show them irrefutable evidence about the hypocrisy of JWs and still they would believe.

    That's another thing I hate:

    The conditioning the mind so well so as to be shut, and if the mind can be reopened, terrible emotional consequences await the person, from disfellowshipping, general shunning, guilt, etc.

    It's a no-win situation that makes me very angry. Even now my wife deals with the emotional baggage from being a JW.

    ashi

  • Xenu
    Xenu

    Worf:
    I appreciate your candor. May Elohim Bless.

  • Waygooder64
    Waygooder64

    Xenu,Elohim sounds like quite the dude,but can he pat his head and rub his belly at the same time?

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