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DawnBeing Deceived


Hi all:

What an interesting group here!

I have a question to toss out to those of you who were once active JW's that are now born again.

I was a "zealous" JW - raised as one and was an aux pioneer, etc. My whole family is JW's (elders, etc.). I was absolutely convinced that I had the truth, and I felt a real relationship with Jehovah.

So now - jump ahead to today. I was DF'd a number of years ago, and started searching the bible for answers about 2 years ago. I found a great church where I started learning what I believe is the actual truth. I was baptized last November and am now born again.

So here's the question - I believe I was deceived before, but how can I be sure that I'm not being deceived now? Since I was so completely deceived at some point. Does anyone out there struggle with this uncertainty? It seems so obvious to me now that the JW's are a cult - but then again...I was sure it was so obvious they were the truth 15 years ago.
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josephusRe: Being Deceived
with all due respect, you are being fooled, IF you think they are especialy clost to the truth.

all religions have flaws good luck if yours admits to its own.

anythings better than jws except scientologists.

josephus
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WildHorsesRe: Being Deceived
Dawn, Read 1st John 2:27 I don't believe we need a religion, period.

Welcome to the forum.

Lilacs

I don't want someone in my life I can live with. I want someone in my life I can't live without.
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ISPRe: Being Deceived
Yep...get ready for disappointment, Dawn. Because it is all make believe. Mind you if it makes you feel better...it is doing you some good. Just don't expect it to work out or be true!

ISP
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Seeker4Re: Being Deceived
I was a JW for 35 years. I took a good long look, not just at the Witnesses, but at the Bible and all religion in general. I'm afraid I'm not going to be very encouraging to you. All you've really done is just traded in one sad translation of the old mythology for another sad translation.

Maybe that's all you want out of life, just a good story to make this all seem easier. You know, that there's a big daddy or mommy up there watching over you, going to give you salvation and life in heaven (whatever) if you play by his or her rules, going to punish you if you don't.

You really ought to look a little deeper.

S4
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RanchetteRe: Being Deceived
I believe there is no true religion on this earth.

Any religion that claims to have a monopoly on truth is really a cult.

If you just have to have religion in your life look at it for what it can give you, a sense of belonging,companionship an organized way to perform community and volenteer work.


But religion can't buy you salvation or approval from God.

Personally, I'd rather live a good life and accompolish these things through groups outside of religion.
I feel safer and so much happier.

Just my opinions.

Edited to say hello and welcome to the board.


Ranchette
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garybussRe: Being Deceived
Hi Dawn,

I like the mainstream religions much better than the Watch Tower Corporation version. With the Watch Tower religion the promised rewards and punishments are are promised within the life and consciousness of the followers. The reward of good behavior is living through the Apocalypse and the punishment for bad behavior is a trial by elders and shunning.

With mainstream religion, the reward is promised after death and so is the punishment for bad behavior. Nothing to expect or fail in the natural lifetime of a human. All relatively safe from criticism and dissent due to failed predictions and unmet expectations.

I think if I am having a good time, making friends, having a fulfilled life and nobody is getting hurt, an involvement in a religion can't be too harmful. It's just when I start to take the philosophy too seriously, or when someone is channeling messages from ghosts or gods or goblins, and I start doing unsmart things like declining medical treatment or beating my kids, because of my belief without proof in another person or group, I am back in trouble again.

Just my thoughts . . . .

gb
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KDRe: Being Deceived
Welcome aboard Dawn,

I have been out for about 20 years now and have either investigated or have been involved with many different organizations. I still have not found the right one nor do I beleive now that the true religion even exists. It seems that whenever a teaching is being shoved down my throat that I questioned, I was aways told to "Pray About It and God will show how it is true". After being told that by several different organizations, I realized that it was a type of mind conditioning by that church.

Other things to look at is the fact the Holy Bibles was once a pile of individual books and letters. After the time of Christ, someone took all these documents. At least the ones that survived time and assembled them into a group. Then it was decided (by man)which ones to keep and which to set a side. The ones kept were compile to what is now our bible. This was done long after Timothy said in 2Tim 3:16 about "all scriptures". I wonder if the letters and books tossed aside were once the ones considered benifitial by Timothy? This book is now considered to be God's word and reinforced this belief by quoting 2Timothy. But the scripture I like the most is 2Cor 11:12-15. Remember that one while at someone's door talking about a different religions!

To sum it up Dawn, if you are happy, then go for it. But be very carefull and don't get caught into some you will be sorry for.

Good luck in your search....
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tdoggRe: Being Deceived
Well, that is the million dollar question. I ask that same question to anyone who tries to preach to me. The problem with religion is that sooner or later there comes a point when you are asked to believe in a man. Yes, all of them. All religion requires that you have faith in some other human that knows how to explain or traslate the dogma to you. You do not even know that the revered words written down are from God, you musdt believe that some other human wrote down what God wanted to say. Some faiths dont even hide it, you will outright worship other people. Men are wonderful at deception, even if they dont mean to.
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BluesBrotherRe: Being Deceived
Lets put a word in for Christianity.

it is the message that has moved mankind above all others. I believe that is truth,, Why? because it makes sense ,it is a beautiful concept that stikes chord with me . So yes, it is my choice and I have to stand by my own judgement. At the end of the day that is what we all do . The atheist sees nature as a triumph of evolution, I see it as a wonder of creation - a personal choice decision.

If Dawn is happy and fulfilled in her new church, then fine! I am sure Christ is satisfied with her worship. I could never trust any one organisation that said it had the exclusive hold on salvation.. not again!
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DawnRe: Being Deceived
Guess I should clarify one point..

I have found a new church I love (definately) - but it doesn't claim exclusive right to the "truth". There's no one who has the only channel to God on earth - I just happened to find a church that felt comfortable to me. (plus - I can wear jeans to church and they serve coffee & donuts....what else can you ask for?!!)

So my questions is more general in nature - not about this specific church.
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funkyderekRe: Being Deceived
So here's the question - I believe I was deceived before, but how can I be sure that I'm not being deceived now?
You were deceived before because the group you were part of controlled your access to information. Anyone who doesn't want you to read contrary opinions doesn't have your best interests at heart. Check everything and you can't be deceived.

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Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you're a mile away and you have their shoes. - Jack Handey, Deep Thoughts
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WildTurkeyRe: Being Deceived
Hi Dawn, I think religion, because of its church rules will conflict with your personal decisons to do what you think is right. Religion can make a peson proud and self-righteous, byt in reality you fail to be kind, honest, humble,loving.
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BodhisattvaRe: Being Deceived
Jesus said that the sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath. To me, this should be extended to all religious activities. If you're finding the fellowship you need, if you're getting more out than you're putting in, and everyone else is doing the same, then you have found a promising situation.

Any church that serves coffee and donuts is cool with me.
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LibertyRe: Being Deceived
Hi Dawn,

You really hit the nail on the head about knowing what is really the "truth". We ex-JWs know it is possible to be completely fooled, something that alot of mainstream Christians have never experienced. I think for all of our pain this is a great advantage because, for most of us ex-JWs, our confidence/arrogance levels are at least modified for the rest of our lives into a healthier humble skepticism where I would be very reluctant to force someone to accept a belief or be willing to hurt or kill to convince someone I was right.

I am now content to openly debate about philisophical disagreements in a friendly manner because I know I have been wrong before. I think the most dangerous people in the world are those who believe they can't be wrong. I have strong opinions but not a die hard commitment beyond all other considerations. The World is huge and complex and there are no simple answers in black and white for me anymore. I'm still an arrogant bastard but now I'm not willing to be 100% on any idea ever again.
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NameWithheldRe: Being Deceived
Hey, I'm the first one to say that I personally don't buy into the entire 'holy book'/christianity thing ... anymore than I do that the Torah or any other holy book is any more than ancient man's religious manuscripts born of legend and story. I don't feel the need for a sky-daddy or momma to fulfill my life.

All that said however - many people do have the need for something like that in their lives. If they can find a religion that doesn't demand absolute loyaty then go for it. Just be sure not to become so involved that you could not walk away at any time. Church can be a nice social setting.
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Will PowerRe: Being Deceived
Well put Liberty.
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