Old Hippie,

I think you bring up and interesting point. Different numbers could result from different criteria for inclusion. I do have one question. In the WT literature, do they provide the criteria used to derive the numbers or the references for their statistics? I ask this question because I do not have access to this WT information, and it seems like you have done some study on this issue.

Hi there OldHippie,

As I have already pointed out, the "historians" are using figures they have lifted from the WT literature. No one told Garbe that the number of people present at the memorial is irrelevant as only reporting publishers are considered Witnesses. This is elementary knowlegde OldH. If a researcher or historian don't even posess such simple details as that, it is bound to go wrong and it does.

As far as I have been able to find out, the number of foreign witnesses was far to small to make allowances for the fantasy figures the WTS conjures up. The WTS is in desperate need to inflate the number of dead as we all underdstand that 635 dead (although 635 is too many) isn't giving the impression of the huge holocaust Brooklyn so desperately want.

The WTS also keep harping on how steadfast and faithful the Witnesses were, not so. If we are nice and say that there was around 15000 Witnesses in Germany when Hitler became Chansellor we know they were not able to scrape together more than 4-5000 for the assembly in Berlin in 1934. And the WT literature even try to inflate that number to 7000, another falsification.

As old Gestapo interrogation documents show, the entire group of WT leaders in Germany were traitors and sang like birds to the Gestapo and betrayed each others left and right.

I have gone through both WT sources and other souches and they all tell the same story. Some individual JW's were remarkably steadfast and faithful however misguided. The WTS organization and it's leaders starting with J. F. Rutherford on the other hand have absolutely nothing to brag about, their track record during the Hitler years remains despicable and cowardly.

More than half (probably two thirds) of those who was publishers in 1933 had evapoted in 1934 when Hitlers goons started to show interest in the Witnesses. Hardly such a story of steadfastness.

The WTS has been falsifying their own history for years as many of us have documented thoroughly, the Nazi era is of course no exception. We are dealing with compulsive liars.

Norm.

Freeman,

The Watchtower ``not anal about numbers?' What have you been smoking? I defy you to identify another religion more obsessed with statistics and overpopulated with ``bean counters'' than the WTBTS!