I was just browsing the officail WT site...hmmm I thought we were, but just for the sake of this post I'll admit going there. They have an article at the URL below which I thought was hillarious. It talks about how the Native Americans are facing more and more assimilation and the destruction of thier indigenous culture by "the world". They neglected to mention that any Native American that joined the org would have to renounce thier beliefs in thier own gods and would have to give up rituals and related icons of thier spirituality. We all know how demonic those dream catchers are....I thought this was quite ironic and wondered what you folks thought. Read for yourself if you can stomach going to thier website for more than five minutes.http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1996/9/8/what_does_their_future_hold.htm
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| Valis | The WT and Native Americans | |
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| Jankyn | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
I noticed the link for "What does their future hold?" is inactive. I supposed that's because the WT thinks their future is to either become Borg automatons with the loss of all their remaining cultural identity, or final destruction at Armageddon. What a bunch of crap. Jankyn | ||
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| freeman | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Valis, As you know, the Watch Tower god is a jealous god and would not allow for any other deity or any questionable local customs to remain. All that makes the Native American Indian what they are must be converted for the sake of the TRUE faith. It reminds me of a people closely related to these Native Americans and their plight, the Alaskan Eskimos.Many years ago as the missionaries indoctrinated them in this religion called Christianity, they destroyed their graven images of false worship, their totem poles. Only thing is totem poles were not part of their worship. Totems celebrated legends, events, or simply the wealth and crest of the family for whom it was created. The poles were neither worshipped nor had any religious significance. What a tragic loss. Ignorance of cultural values is not unique to the Watch Tower; it is but one part of the composite sign of their stupidity and insensitivity. Freeman | ||
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| picosito | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
The assimilation of the Native Americans and destruction of their cultures (speaking only about what's now called the United States) began as WhiteMan started bamboozling them with trinkets and expropriating their property, say, somewhere close to where the WT now stands in Brooklyn (including Patterson and other holdings) some time ago. And the WT has the gall to blame "the world." They also have the gall to give complete worship to what's called "legal", even if what's now "legal" was begun by illegal means, such as the property expropriated from Indians that the WT says they now have "legal" claim to. They have their OWN particular bloodguilt. | ||
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| Commie Chris | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
I am an Indigenous Canadian (I am Metis). The article refered to is indeed ironic. The JWs have made few inroads in recruiting Native people for a variety of reasons. One reason is the Dubs' insistence on conformity and rules. Most Native cultures emphasize personal freedom and autonomy, even for children. Most Native people today are nominal "christians" (mostly Catholic) and most want nothing to do with missionaries of any kind. Missionaries played a large role in the colonization of our people and the attempted cultural genocide. Native communities are only now just beginning to recover from the destructive effects of "christianizing".BTW, totem poles are not Inuit ("Eskimo" is derogatory). They were and still are built by the Pacific coast First Nations. | ||
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| jst_me | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
What a weird tone this article has. Like they are reaching out to embrace all of the noble savages that may be left in America.I know for a fact that my mother and grandmother became JWs because of the earthly hope. Its almost like the article is saying, well your ways are doomed, of course none of your prophecies about the future could be true, you should be jws so you can live forever on the earth.Ick. | ||
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| OUTLAW | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
The Jw`s have done nothing but mess up the first nations people in this part of the country.They turn there back on the old ways,and the WBTS rules do nothing to make their lives any better.Just more WBTS casualties...OUTLAW | ||
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| Commie Chris | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
The JW's are not even close to being the worst offenders. Christianity, in all it's forms and sects, has been an unmitigated disaster for First Nations. They are guilty of massive crimes against humanity. | ||
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| OUTLAW | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Hey Cris ,I know.Jws are the only ones I have any first hand information about.My first nations buds tell me about the other stories though.And the first nations elders are always eager to help me understand their ways...OUTLAW | ||
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| LDH | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
As usual, the WT comments on an issue that is so in depth as to require several PhD. And they manage to sum it all up in one neatly little packaged article.Which, of course, the rank and file thinks makes them an authority on the matter. Which, of course, is why the rank and file is "Jack of all trades, Master of none." They only know enough to be ignorant about these issues.Lisa ps--from what I know, the "Native Americans" don't like to be referred to as Native Americans, but would rather go by the name of their Nation or tribe. As in, the Anasazi, the Sioux, the Onondaga, etc. Am I right or wrong? | ||
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| OUTLAW | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Hey Lisa,I`m not First Nations but I have friends and family who are.How I descibe them depends on who I`m talking to.If it`s someone I`m talking to from Europe I say Native Americans,or Canadians.If I`m talking to some one in North America I say First Nations.If I want to speak of one nation,I will say Sto-lo Nation or Cree Nation...OUTLAW | ||
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| Commie Chris | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Lisa: you are right - most "Natives" do not like that term. I am a Metis, not a "native". My friends are Mohawk, Nishnawbe, Dene, Cree etc… Our cultures and languages are as different from each other as French from English and it is somewhat offensive to be lumped into a homogenous "Native" label. | ||
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| plmkrzy | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
I remember reading an artical not long ago, I'll try to find it, where they stated that Native Americans , Some Native Americans, religious beliefs were closer to the true meaning of Christianity then modern day Christians. So, if columbus would have stayed away then North America would be full of real Christians living in peace and harmony for the most part. All except for those pagan Pawnee. | ||
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| picosito | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
If I wuz a "Injun" I would not take too kindly to be referred to as a "Native American" becuz it means "Native Americo Vespuccian," some dude from Itly. | ||
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| sableindian | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Hensci, Greetings, I find this post intriguing. I was reprimanded because I did not leave my love of my people while I was studying. Some sisters asked to study with my daughter. I found later that they were prying about my life away from the meetings. I was on the council of the Potawatomi Nation although I am (Hvtschi) Mvscogee. One day at a book study they were talking about witch craft. One sister who was studying with my daughter raised her hand about the witch craft of the Pow Wow. My mouth flew wide open. This woman had NEVER been to a Pow Wow. She did not know that she would have been warmly welcomed. And that we do not PUSH our ways on anyone. We, infact have our worship at the beginning of Pow Wow so that we can talk privately to their "nature". I see no difference in Abraham talking to angels than us talking to the spirits of God's creations. Hvtschi are peaceful, fun loving people. She missed the whole point. Needless to say, that was my daughter's last study and my last time setting foot in the Kingdom Hall. | ||
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| Stephanus | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
I noticed that article and thought "What cheek! Like the Native culture would be tolerated by this lot!" After all, we all know that they allow you to have a culture of whatever colour you like, as long as it's "Brooklyn beige"! | ||
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| D8TA | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Article quote:I bet there is an equal number who aren't pleased as to KINGDOM HALLS being on THEIR sacred land also. Hello? WTBTS? Welcome back from last century. | ||
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| ISP | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
Typical WTS double-speak....they try to show outwardly some sympathy but in actual fact the WTS solution so far as the culture of all peoples will be devastation at the big 'A'........ISP | ||
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| nilfun | Re: The WT and Native Americans | |
http://www.watchtower.org/library/g/1998/3/8/article_01.htm "How do you view Christendom's religions?"
"We are not pleased with the churches' trying to convert our people from the traditional beliefs.%The Lutherans and the Catholics have had missions here for over 100 years. There are also Pentecostal groups that have some emotional appeal.
"We need to restore our cultural identity through the family and bring back the use of the Apache language. At present, it is being lost."
Jehovah's Witnesses visit the Apache people to tell them of the new world that Jehovah God has promised for our earth, so beautifully described in the Bible book of Isaiah: "For here I am creating new heavens and a new earth; and the former things will not be called to mind, neither will they come up into the heart. And they will certainly build houses and have occupancy; and they will certainly plant vineyards and eat their fruitage. They will not toil for nothing."—Isaiah 65:17, 21, 23; 2 Peter 3:13; Revelation 21:1-4.
The time is near when Jehovah God will take action to cleanse the world of all selfishness and corruption as well as abuse of the earth. (See Matthew 24; Mark 13; Luke 21.) People of all nations, including the Native American nations, can now bless themselves by turning to the true God, Jehovah, through Christ Jesus. (Genesis 22:17, 18) Jehovah's Witnesses offer free Bible education for any meek ones who wish to inherit a restored earth and are willing to obey God.—Psalm 37:11, 19. *krchk* Reality to WTBTS *krchk* *krchk* This WTBTS, over *krchk* *krchk* WTBTS, people aren't stupid, Reality over and out *krchk* Indeed.
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| Guest 77 | mie Chris, can you tell me who your Mohawk fRe: The WT and Native Americans | |
Commie Chris can you tell me who your Mohawk friends are from Kahnawke? The article mentioned Ray Halbritter from the Oneida Nation. This so-called educated Native from the Five Nation Confederacy has been bullying the local 'Longhouse' people. He has set himself up as a GOD. Guest 77 | ||
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