What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in? (page 1)

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LovesDubs	What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	I came in in 1984. At that time they were beating it into us not to have kids or go to college because the end was soooo near and the Generation that saw 1918 was about all DEAD and we couldnt go much further. They were touting the whole Peace and Security cry and then there was the Peace and Security Convention in like 1985 that had us all abuzz after which of course NOTHING happened. Then they went and changed the definition of the Generation in 1994 saying of course since Armageddon DIDNT come after the 80 years had gone by that defined the old one that They basically had to go to Plan B...or Plan M by now, and that the Generation was now everybody since 1918 who has or will live during the time of the END ad infinitum!!! That my friends was the absolute end for me. I had been telling my children that WE WOULD NEVER DIE and now I had to tell them that we would live and die like everybody else does because jehoover is taking his sweet time bringing the end of the system! I was in TEARS! - They changed the baptismal questions in 1985, the year I was baptized to make us vow to follow the Borg and not Jesus - They stopped making food at the conventions, then stopped selling food at the conventions, then made us BRING our food to the conventions which in my opinion was a BIGGER hardship to the sheep than making it available to them was. Now young families had to tow baby supplies, books and bags, food coolers, drinks, strollers, blankets....gawd it was awful. :And somehow jam all that crap into the space you were sitting in at the convention which barely under normal conditions would accommodate your LEGS in front of you. :( - They didnt charge for the magazines at the doors any more but told us to ask for a donation to the world wide work which was NOT so that more people could get the good news but so they could avoid paying TAXES on the sale of their literature and totally lied about it to us - They changed their stand on blood to rediculously stupid nonsensical excuses for allowing PARTS of blood as long as it wasnt WHOLE blood and redefining different processes and surgical procedures ad nauseum until it was so damn confusing that nobody understood what they could or couldnt do any more where blood was concerned which caused in my opinion MORE deaths because people just said "if in doubt leave it out" and watched their loved ones die when they could possibly have HAD that surgery with blood expanders or with platelet treatments. And they have different standards for different countries depending on where you lived and what the political climate was in that country. We cant disfellowship you in your country for taking blood...fine consider yourself DISASSOCIATED. - They condemned the United Nations and yet were a part of it all those years and were disfellowshipping people for such inane things as belonging to the YMCA. What really rocked your JW world?
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Dorktacular	What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	My biggie was the 1994-95 change about the "Generations". Um... yeah, base everything in your life around the promise that the 1914 generation won't pass away before "the end" comes. Fast forward to 1994.... Um.... yeah, it turns out that 99% of those people are dust now, so we gotta change the rules. Sucks to be you guys who wasted your whole life waiting for our prophecies to come true! What a load of crap. I immediately stopped paying attention to anything at the Kingdumb Hell. Guess what? It's 2008, and the end. ain't. here. yet. I guess there's still one old guy somewhere who was alive in 1914 desperately clinging to life in a nursing home somewhere. But, after he takes the eternal celestial dirt nap, Joe Hober is gonna get us all! Buwahahahaha!!!! NOT!
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WTWizard	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	The "complete donation" arrangement. In of itself, it wasn't a major issue. What was a big deal was the blatant lie that you are not paying for littera-trash twice when you donate upon picking it up and then again after placing it. That blew my faith in their math, since it is transparent that something is being paid for twice if you pay upfront, and then again after distributing it.
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sspo	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	1995 generation change. I saw right then that jehovah had nothing to do with the organization and it was nothing but a man made religion like the rest of them. Realized the GB was full of crap and deceiving millions.
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lesterd	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	Old School...1935,, close of the anointed being selected, 1967, rotating elder arrangement, 1975 I'm still here and so is Satans world, did he beat the WT society? Looking at the lost love of beloved brothers and sisters who had thier lives torn apart by this cult bothers me most.
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oompa	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	Lovedub: I came in in 1984. WOW! must a been a doozy!!..............oompa
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RubaDub	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	The One-Towel Rule pushed me over the edge. Rub a Dub
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Casper	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	They stopped making food at the conventions, then stopped selling food at the conventions, then made us BRING our food to the conventions which in my opinion was a BIGGER hardship to the sheep than making it available to them was. Now young families had to tow baby supplies, books and bags, food coolers, drinks, strollers, blankets....gawd it was awful. :And somehow jam all that crap into the space you were sitting in at the convention which barely under normal conditions would accommodate your LEGS in front of you. :( It all bothered me at one time or another, but the above really ticked me off. I had an infant when this took place and I really enjoyed working in the food service... so much for comfort or feeling useful...!!! Cas
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yknot	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	Everything since leaving my liberal KH back in June 1980. I wasn't taught to have the loyalty to the Slave over the Bible. I knew the Slave could mess-up BIG & capable of being WRONG! List: Baptism into a spirit-directed organization. Knowingly causing death to protect corporate coffers. Image above all else even if that means protecting and encouraging criminal and immoral behavior. The UN thing... while I understand why they joined, the lack of remorse and the lies told to R&F shows the true spirit of the WTS. Restrictions of the 80's and anything that falls under personal choice. Financial scams to fleece the flock. The impossibly broad application of unity. Pharisee law versus spirit. Not inspired or infallible but expectated under judicial penalty to obey them as if they were. Guess if I had been an adult I would have left like many others in 1980, looking back I am not Watchtower material. That pesky bad habit of thinking keeps getting in the way. But alas I was only 6 1/2 yrs old.
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Jewel	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	Dates me, but 1975 was a biggie for me. Then, in 1977 when I started college and all my "theocratic" friends stopped talking to me. So much for "...by this you will know them - that they love one another." I don't think college is a big deal anymore--now that the "light" is getting so darned bright...
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greendawn	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	That's a very cunning and ruthless elite running the JW brain dead drones. I didn't see any changes in the short time I was there but if I were a dub in 1995 I would have left right away after the generation change. That destroys any point in being a dub since the end may well be centuries away. And no apologies for messing up so many lives with the belief that the end is coming any time now. Such a sense of urgency.
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neverendingjourney	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	I was really bothered by the child abuse changes of the mid 90s, but not for the reasons you probably think. I was 100% believer when I was in. I really thought this was Jehovah's organization. When the "Abhor what is Wicked" WT article came out somewhere around 1997, I was genuinely confused. I was well aware of the sexual abuse scandals that had rocked the Catholic Church. After all, the WT had prominently advertised them. The only genuine reasons I could think of for the changes were legal ones. Men with sexual molestation in their background could no longer serve in positions of responsibility in the congregation. It was most certainly a good idea, but where was the scriptural support for it? Where in the Bible did it disqualify "known" child abusers from serving as ministerial servants or elders? You see, I always believed that the FDS did things according to the Bible only. Regardless of the pressures the world might bring as a result of our beliefs and practices, the FDS would stand firm and rely on Jehovah's backing. Surely Jehovah would bless his organization for following His scriptural arrangement in the face of potential lawsuits, but this wasn't the case. The FDS caved to legal pressure and instituted changes in their congregational responsibilities to protect the organization from potentially having to pay out millions of dollars in settlements. Again, from a purely practical matter, the changes were welcome. Kids need to be protected from pedophiles, but the only issue I cared about at the time was whether there was scriptural support for what they were doing. I could see that there clearly wasn't any. They went to the extremes to twist the Bible into requiring that all former child molesters be kept from serving in any position of responsibility in the congregations. Part of the problem for me was that the article required that the elders disclose the child abuse to the authorities. All this time I had been brought up to believe that the most important thing was to protect the organization, and now we were doing a complete about-face for seemingly no other reason than to protect the society's coffers. In fact, I kept thinking about the scripture where Paul said we should not be bringing lawsuits against one another and I couldn't reconcile the new arrangement with that principle. In short, I could plainly see that the Society was twisting the Bible to support a policy designed to protect its financial interests. That really bothered me. I could see that extra-biblical factors were influencing doctrine. I could keep telling myself that the people in the congregation were imperfect over and over with no problem, but if I ever thought the society was corrupt, than that would have completely shattered my faith. It also bothered me that they attempted to portray the change as being based on Biblical reasons instead of being based on financial concerns. They were insulting my intelligence. However, as JWs are wont to do, I buried my head in the sand and refused to give the matter much thought. It wasn't until a few years later that I was mentally and physically prepared to make an exit that I started to think about this some more. This child abuse arrangement change was the first matter that really began to open my eyes. I saw the society changing its doctrines due to non-Biblical reasons and then trying to pass it off to the sheep as having been part of some magnificent revelation from God. A few years later, I began to add up all the loose pieces and discrepancies and saw that the entire religion was a sham. I allowed myself to truly investigate the religion, something I didn't do before I got baptized, and I became convinced it was all a farce.
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garybuss	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	The year text for 1974 pissed me off. I kicked the Kingdom Hall door on the way out.
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grey matters	Re: Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	I could see a lot of internal politics going on that really bothered me, but the higher education change was the "beginning of the end" for me. As I recall, it was in November of 1992 or 1993. There was a Watchtower article that said we could go ahead and pursue a higher education with a view to earning a "decent living", but only if we did so with a goal of regular pioneering. So, if I don't pioneer, I shoudn't be able to earn a "decent living"? I that was a bunch of crap. What right did they have to micromanage my life like that? They had no idea what it was like in the real world. Half of the idiots writing this garbage hadn't even had a real job. Why, why, was I taking career advice from them? It took a long time for me to fade completely, but I never looked at anything they said the same way after that. I could see that they didn't give a crap about me. Only their interests.
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LovesDubs	Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	The year text for 1974 pissed me off. I kicked the Kingdom Hall door on the way out. Gary what did this say? Or was it the fact that they said the world was ending in 75 so why the hell did they NEED a year text? LOL!
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garybuss	Re: Re: What big changes made by the Borg bothered you when you were in?
	LovesDubs, The year text for 1974 was written and printed in 1973. It said "If the fig tree fails to bloom . . . " The genie was out of the bottle the minute I saw that year text.
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