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truthseekerWatchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years


But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

It took WT 72 years to open the kingdom of heaven to anyone professing to be of the anointed.

 

Until recently, a WT article a couple of years ago actually suggested that partakers check their medication to be sure they were of sound mind.

Strong talks were given about the qualifications to be one of the remnant.

Memorial talks spent more time on identifying the little flock than the meaning of Jesus' sacrifice.

 

 

 

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oompaRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
OMG Truthseeker, I have been posting for many months about this, under oompa and another name killed by my wife/dad/elders, but never even thought of this scripture. and yet you chose to not even tell us where the hell it is from, which will force me to look for it.....what the hey?!?!?!?!!?...................thanks..........oompa......I could have been a flyer maybe
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tulaRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

 

 

Strong talks were given about the qualifications to be one of the remnant.

Please tell me the qualifications.

I would like to know if I am a 2 out of 3.

Thanks, Tula.

 

 

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truthseekerRe: Re: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Oompa,

Matthew 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, because you shut off the kingdom of heaven from people; for you do not enter in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in."

 

http://bible.cc/matthew/23-13.htm

Cross reference!

Luke 11:52 "Woe to you [Bethel] lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge; you yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who were entering." (NASB ©1995)

 

13. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men-Here they are charged with shutting heaven against men: in Lu 11:52 they are charged with what was worse, taking away the key-"the key of knowledge"-which means, not the key to open knowledge, but knowledge as the only key to open heaven. A right knowledge of God's revealed word is eternal life, as our Lord says (Joh 17:3; 5:39); but this they took away from the people, substituting for it their wretched traditions.

 

perhaps this is more appropriate

 

Matthew Henry's Concise Commentary

23:13-33 The scribes and Pharisees were enemies to the gospel of Christ and therefore to the salvation of the souls of men.

It is bad to keep away from Christ ourselves, but worse also to keep others from him. [Follow The Christ, means follow the Governing Body]

Yet it is no new thing for the show and form of godliness to be made a cloak to the greatest enormities. [Jehovah's name people]

But dissembled piety will be reckoned double iniquity. They were very busy to turn souls to be of their party.

Not for the glory of God and the good of souls, but that they might have the credit and advantage of making converts. [Are you doing all you can to pioneer?]

Gain being their godliness, by a thousand devices they made religion give way to their worldly interests. [NGO, real estate scam, RBC]

They were very strict and precise in smaller matters of the law, but careless and loose in weightier matters. [Blood, fractions, time sheets]

 

 

 

 

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What-A-CoincidenceRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
good catch!!!
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truthseekerRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

An old post from two years ago proves the Governing Body acted with HINDSIGHT and not FORESIGHT

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/99963/1.ashx

 

definitely food for thought....

http://e-jehovahs-witnesses.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=176

There are around 50 anointed brothers in Brooklyn Bethel who the GB consult with and some of these are under 55 years of age . . . as well as . . . humm . . .shall I be so bold to say it . . . . who a few have not been partaking for 15 years or longer!

Did you notice the revised "Worship" book completely took out the chapter on the 144,000 and the heavenly calling?

Did you also compare the two books and notice that all the references to 1935 having been the year that the heavenly calling ended was also taken out??? And . . . there is another little goodie in the new Worship book . . but . . I will have to share that with you

In the United in Worship of the Only True God, page 83, there is a question for meditation that reads: "The gathering of the final members of what group was given prompt attention after Christ was enthroned?" The supporting scriptures were Matthew 24:31 and Revelation 7:1-4.

Now, in the Worship the Only True God, page 98, the question for meditation reads: "The gathering of the remaining members of what group is being given attention since Christ was enthroned?" The supporting scriptures are Revelation 14:1-3.

The question as it stands in the United book reflects the thinking that the gathering of the anointed was in the past before 1983 when the book was written; the verb tense is past perfect ("was given"). However, the question as it stands in our new Worship book is in the present - imperfect verb tense ("is being given"). This means that the gathering work of the anointed is still going on and has not been completed as of yet.

 

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changelingRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Though I no longer believe, so it's irrelevant to me, that was a brilliant observation on your part. One to remember and perhaps use in a discussion with JW's.

changeling

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AGuestYES!!!

Praise JAH, some are now paying attention!!!  I am SO glad you are getting this!

May JAH bless and may you ALL have peace, not as the world gives it, but as my Lord gives it!

WHOO-HOO!

SA, a slave of Christ

 

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Wasanelder OnceRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
I was thinking about this scripture myself when I saw that they'd done this in 1899 and again in 1935. The door to heaven seems to revolve for these boobs. W.Once
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yesididRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Excellent point Truthseeker.  Thank you for that.

yesidid

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NarkissosRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Once again, our JW doctrinal background gives an unsuspected (yet powerful) ring to a NT passage, which was not prioritarily about heaven as a destination (and certainly not as compared to another destination, i.e. earth).

The Lukan version of the saying which substitutes "knowledge" (gnôsis) to "the kingdom" is particularly interesting in view of the parallels in the Gospel of Thomas (logia 39 and 102): notice the comical Greek topos about the dog in the cattle's manger.

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas39.html
http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/thomas/gospelthomas102.html

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truthseekerRe: Re: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Hi Narkissos,

Thanks for the info...I guess there is a big difference between heaven and knowledge.

 

BLATZ

(39) Jesus said: The Pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (and) have hidden them. They did not go in, and those who wished to go in they did not allow. But you, be wise as serpents and innocent as doves.

LAYTON

(39) Jesus said, "The Pharisees and the Scribes have taken the keys to acquaintance and hidden them. They have neither entered nor let those who want to enter enter. You (plur.), then, be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves."

DORESSE

44 [39]. Jesus says: "The Pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge and hidden them: they have not entered, and neither have they permitted <entry> to those who wished to enter. But you, be prudent as serpents and simple as doves!"

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uninformedRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

Truth seeker,

What a great topic.

No joke, I am truly humbled by how damn smart and tuned in some of you folks are. 

Great Scripture, and makes absolute sense.

When I was young, 20 and 21, I was in prison for the draft.  I studied over 2000 hours in one year out of the JW library that had accumulated at the prison for several decades. 

I was truly on a spiritual 'high', and sometimes at night I would wonder whether or not I should partake of the emblems.  The WT was clear that the door was shut in 1935, but I felt like an adopted son of God.  But I gave in.  For years I would nearly cry inside at Memorials as I felt like I should partake, but I didn't.  They shut the heavens up to me.

Now, I realize that the WT never had a link to God or Heaven and I should have partaken back then.  I partake now, not in recognition that I am going to heaven or part of a special class of people, but because I have accepted Christ as my SAVIOR.  Where I spend eternity is not mine to take. 

But---I sure enjoyed your post and your reasoning.

Brant

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GregorRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
It's always nice to have the official blessing of AGuest. We are a bunch of fucky luckers.
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AGuestDearest Gregor...

May you have peace!

My sincerest apologies if I offended - that truly was not my intent. I just felt a bit... ummmm... rejoiceful... that some are now understanding the significance of what the WTBTS has done. So MANY of their followers wish to know the Christ (which is part of the “gnosis” that Thomas wrote about and Narkissos mentioned here), but these don't allow it. They have "divided" the Christ... to the detriment of millions. If even ONE "gets it," however, how can I not rejoice? If even ONE can see the result (if not the very purpose) of the WTBTS' lying propaganda on this particular issue, how can I not acknowledge that? I could not stay silent, I am sorry.

It is true that "gnosis" (knowledge) is the "key" to that part of the spirit realm/heaven where the Most Holy One of Israel resides. The problem lies in the truth regarding what that "knowledge" is/consists of. Some believe that it is knowledge itself, so that they conclude that knowledge is what was being withheld from Adam/Eve by means of a restriction from the Tree... of Knowledge. This is an error, because it was not knowledge that we being withheld; indeed, nothing was being "withheld" other than death. The Tree was of the knowledge... of good... AND bad. Life... AND death. Adam and Eve "knew" good... life; they did not know bad... death. Nor did God want them to "know" death... for obvious reasons.

By his statement that, if they ate they would "become like God, knowing good AND bad...," however, our Adversary exploited Adam's desire to be able to know death... and yet live. Like God. He LIED to Adam, however, by telling him (Adam) that although he (Adam) would indeed know death... he would not be BOUND by it ("you will NOT die"). The TRUTH was that Adam not only came to know death - i.e., know the experience and result of death - but once he came into its grips, he could not release himself so as to live again. Only the Most Holy One of Israel, JAH of Armies, had, at that time... the "keys"... to death.

Others (the WTBTS in particular) believe that it is “taking in knowledge of” and/or the “knowledge of” God and Christ that is the “key” to heaven. This, too, is an error. Even bad spirits know of God and Christ; yet, they are unable to enter. And a great many of earthling man (indeed, most, if not all) know of God and Christ; yet, most of these do not enter, either. Those who are said to be “shutting up the kingdom of the heavens before men” know of God and Christ; yet, “these do not enter; neither do they permit those on their way in to go in.”

The TRUTH is that in order to enter into the MOST Holy, the place where the MOST Holy of Israel, JAH of Armies, resides/dwells… one has to KNOW… Christ. Not, “knowledge/gnosis” in general, not “know of”… not “take in knowledge of.” And not know… as in be familiar with. The word “know”… as in knowing the Christ… means being JOINED to… as in a man “knowing” a woman. “Having knowledge of” her… in a CARNAL way.

The word “know” (“ginosko”) means:

1)    to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
       a) to become known
2)    to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
       a) to understand
       b) to know
3)    Jewish idiom for sexual intercourse between a man and a woman
4)    to become acquainted with, to know

It is the third definition that is correct and is meant in the following:

“THIS… means everlasting life: that they might KNOW you… the only TRUE God… [by means of] the One you sent, JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH."

Narkissos graciously gave us verses from various versions of Thomas’ account that mention “keys” to knowledge. The accounts, however, don’t mention what such “keys” are. But it is not difficult for us to know, because while the scribes and Pharisees “hid” them from (fleshly) Israel, they are not hidden from SPIRITUAL Israel. The “keys” are:

1. FAITH
2. LOVE
3. MERCY
4. FORGIVENESS
5. JUSTICE

The scribes and Pharisees “hid” these because they neither practiced them… nor allowed their followers to practice them (although they TAUGHT that they should: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the seat of Moses. Therefore, all the things that they TELL you, do and observe, but do NOT do according to THEIR deeds, for they SAY… but do not PERFORM.” Matthew 23:2)

By means of these “keys”, however, one can access the DOOR… Christ (through whom ALL who wish to enter must go)… who, in turn, dispenses HOLY SPIRIT, the semen of God, by which we have a “union” with God… and the blood of God… by which we are able to transfigure so as to enter (we become flesh, with HIS blood, vs. flesh with ITS blood).

Those who wish to enter into the Most Holy, therefore, must have such a KNOWING of (union with) Christ… and be known BY (joined to) him in this way, because… while many can enter into the spiritual realm by “climbing up some other way” (rendering such “thieves” and “plunderers” – having entered a “man’s house” without permission!)… NO ONE comes to the Father… except THROUGH the Son. Those who enter THROUGH Christ… the Door… can do so because they are IN UNION with him and so of ONE SPIRIT with him… in the same manner as a man in “is union” with and of “one flesh” with a woman he knows carnally. In this way, by means of this union with Christ, they are, by RELATION… in UNION… with God.

They KNOW Him… and are known BY Him. (“Everyone who has been born from God does not carry on sin because His sperm remains in such one and he cannot practice sin because he has been born from God” - 1 John 3:9)

Anyway, again, I apologize if you felt I was giving my personal sanction: again, that was not my intent. I was only voicing my happiness that folks are even interested. I bid you peace.

Your servant and a slave of Christ,


SA

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ninjaRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
hey truthy....I asked this very question last year....see this topic...http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/130995/1.ashx......as usual.....there was a bucketload of replies.....he he
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ninjaRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years
p.s look at matthew 23 verse 15....(Matthew 23:15) . . .“Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU traverse sea and dry land to make one proselyte, and when he becomes one YOU make him a subject for Ge·hen'na twice as much so as yourselves.

looks familiar eh?
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V"shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" (Generation Understanding)
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justhumanRe: Watchtower "shut off the Kingdom of Heaven" for 72 years

The WT has actually shut the Kingdom of Heaven ever since 1931. The limited number of the 144.000 hasn't changed at all so again those who supposed to inherit God's Kindom are an Elite Group.

This is what I wrote in one of my recent posts:


He also said woe to you scribes and pharisses because you shut the doors of the Kingdom in Heaven before men, beacause neither you can enter, and you do not allow others to enter...What modern class of Scribes and Pharisses are shutting the doors of heaven? We all know who they are: They are the Elit Club of the WT called Faithfull and Discreet Slave. All those years they shut before us the Kindom of Heavens, by keeping the 2 class Christians doctrine. Jesus said that if you do not eat my flesh in drink my blood you there is no life within you. Now we know why did the WT all those years kept away from us that privelege to be with Jesus, and condemn us to be apart from our Lord Jesus.
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