I unerstand that in the 1975 runup, they said 6,000 years were almost ending.
HOWEVER IN THE WAYTO PARADISE BY VAN DE AMBURGH ,IT SAYS 7,000 YEARS HAVE PASSED.
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| badboy | ||
I unerstand that in the 1975 runup, they said 6,000 years were almost ending. HOWEVER IN THE WAYTO PARADISE BY VAN DE AMBURGH ,IT SAYS 7,000 YEARS HAVE PASSED. | ||
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| badboy | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
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| Nathan Natas | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
You are correct, of course. In 1975 the WTB&TS said that 6,000 years of human existence were coming to a close. The implication was that this would be followed by the 1,000 year reign of Christ, and then the 7th creative day would end. Recall that each creative day was pronounced "good" by Jehovah when it had concluded. Supposedly, we aare living in the seveenth creative "day" and it could not be pronounced "good" unless Christ's Kingdom had cleansed it of the not-good effects of sin. CTR accepted and taught the belief that was popular in his time that each day of creation was 7,000 years long, but this idea can be traced further back in history, even to pre-christian times. | ||
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| DT | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
I have heard that the Epistle of Barnabas mentions the 6000 year doctrine and may be the earliest Christian reference to this. I haven't read it yet. It's on my to do list. | ||
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| deaconbluez | Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
As far as Watchtower theology goes, the first appearance of this teaching came in the 1966 release Life Everlasting in the Freedom of Sons of God. That was the first time the glorious new light was shared. | ||
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| Nathan Natas | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
The Epistle of Barnabas is not in the canon of the new World Translation which was set by the Catholic Church, so is it worthy of consideration? Barnabas says in chapter 15: 3 Of the Sabbath He speaketh in the beginning of the creation; And God made the works of His hands in six days, and He ended on the seventh day, and rested on it, and He hallowed it. 4 Give heed, children, what this meaneth; He ended in six days. He meaneth this, that in six thousand years the Lord shall bring all things to an end; for the day with Him signifyeth a thousand years; and this He himself beareth me witness, saying; Behold, the day of the Lord shall be as a thousand years. Therefore, children, in six days, that is in six thousand years, everything shall come to an end. 5 And He rested on the seventh day. this He meaneth; when His Son shall come, and shall abolish the time of the Lawless One, and shall judge the ungodly, and shall change the sun and the moon and the stars, then shall he truly rest on the seventh day.
I think ol' Barny was doing crack. | ||
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| Nathan Natas | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
As far as Watchtower theology goes, the first appearance of this teaching came in the 1966 release Life Everlasting in the Freedom of Sons of God. That was the first time the glorious new light was shared. Which teaching do you mean? 1975? If so, that is not quite correct. The 1943 book "The Truth Shall Make You Free" pointed at 1972. " ... From Adam's creation to the end of B .C. 1 was 4,028 years From beginning of A .D. 1 to the end of 1943 is 1,943 years From Adam's creation to the end of 1943 A.D. is 5,971 years We are therefore near the end of six thousand years of human history, with conditions upon us and tremendous events at hand foreshadowed by those of Noah's day .-Luke 17 : 26-30." -- "The Truth Shall Make You Free," chapter XI "The Count of Time" page 152 If 1943 was 5,971 years from Adam's creation, then 29 years later - 1972 - would be the 6,000th year. Certainly the "brothers" in 1943 were able to do the math. | ||
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| shopaholic | Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
Nathan Natas, Am I missing something here? According to archeological finds, man existed more than 100,000 years ago. So is 6,000 years based on human existence or just Adams existence? | ||
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| Nathan Natas | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
Shopaholic writes: Nathan Natas, Am I missing something here? According to archeological finds, man existed more than 100,000 years ago. So is 6,000 years based on human existence or just Adams existence? C'mon now -- who are you going to believe, your own rational mind or the self-appointed "faithful and discreet slave"? The WTB&TS teaches (or taught - they may be running from this even as we speak) that each of the seven creative days was 7,000 years long. So the earth was formed less than 50,000 years ago, according to this popular Bible-based chronology. Likewise, man was created only some 6,000 years ago, so the archaeologists, geologists and paleontologists are all deceived by SATAN. Let the record show that I do not believe this crap. I was raised in it and spent more than two decades wallowing in it, so the stank of it is still with me. | ||
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| Leolaia | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
Noncanonical stuff is always worth considering if you are tracing the history of an idea, or getting a sense of what people at a particular time believed. Here are a list of ancient references connected to the belief under discussion:http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/147353/2668841/post.ashx#2668841 | ||
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| mcsemike | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
To Nathan: I agree with you 100%. When I studied astro-physics in college, it was proven beyond any doubt that the animals and mankind were here millions of years ago. I know the WT tried to play games when questioned about dinosaurs and what happened to them. One speaker said they died off before the animals we see today were created. If they weren't wouldn't the dinosaurs had eaten most of the life we see around us now? Another speaker said the dinosaurs drowned in the flood of Noah's time. So why didn't Noah bring 2 or each into the ark? Doesn't the WT know how big these animals were? Even if we leave out the dinosaurs, all of the animals he was supposed to have put into the ark, the food needed for them (and remember that some are carnivores and they weren't going to be happy with a salad made of straw and cow's milk to drink. None of the animals reproduced, thereby crowding the ark even more? How did 8 people clean up all the waste from these animals? It has been estimated by some that it would take 50 men working 24 hours/day to shovel and dump it all outside, and even then they couldn't keep up. So when the ark settled and the water went away, there would certainly be a mess all around them. I hope these points help to tie together the whole "date issue" about how long man or animals were on the earth and when they were created. | ||
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| badboy | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
INTERESTINGLY, 7,000 ROM 1925 MAKES IT 5,100 BC FOR ADAM'S CREATION. | ||
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| badboy | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
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| jam | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
my bible states., in vs 3 of genesis there was evening and there was morning one day. Each created day ended with evening, morning and the next day. I turn 60 this year. A year for me today seems like one month. The older I get the faster the time pass. But a day is still 24hrs. Anyone that reads today knows that this earth is lot older then 50000 yrs. | ||
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| shopaholic | Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
Nathan Natas, I asked because I am really starting to see how brainwashed I am...I was having a "moment". I never payed attention to the fact that the WTBS claims that mankind started 6,000 years ago. If you met me on the street as a stranger even before my fade and you asked me how long man had been around I would have said that its more than 100,000 years. I never put 2 and 2 together. I'm realizing how blind I really was to everything that I was being taught. I was so busy underlining my watchtower that I forgot to stop and ask questions.
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| Nathan Natas | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
NN (bowing graciously to shopaholic): Madame, the pleasure is mine! | ||
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| smiddy | Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
If I rememember correctly,and I was baptized in 1961,jw`s allowed for an undisclosed amount of time,maybe even milleniums for the creation of the universe including our solar system,the 6000 yrs.relates to the preparing of the earth for mankind (sorry ladies and womankind ) So each of the 7 creative days of 7000 yrs began when the almighty decided to create a home for humanity.Remember that first sentence in the bible states:In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.(full stop ) I`ve been out 14 yrs now so god knows what changes they have made since then.Just a thought though. | ||
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| palexisls | Re: Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
shopaholic, the 6000 years figure is very old. christians came out with it a while ago by supposedly adding up the dates and timeframes derived from the stories and geneology in the bible.
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| Leolaia | Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
Interestingly, the epistle of Barnabas is thought to have originated in Alexandria, the same place where the LXX was produced, and early Christians generally used the LXX, particularly those speaking Greek. That put the date of creation at c. 5586 BC and the end of 6,000 years around AD 415. | ||
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| badboy | Re: Re: WHEN DID 6,000 YEARS DOCTRINE ORIGNATE | |
THE BOOK BY VAN AMBURGH SAYS THAT MANKIND IS 7,000 YEARS OLD NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH CREATION DAY | ||
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