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flipperHaving Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan


    Hey folks. I have been busy reading Steve Hassan's book, " Combatting Cult Mind Control " and just wanted to share several thoughts now that I'm about 25% through the book. It has been a real eye opener of how the power of a cult like the " Jehovah's Witnesses works.

    One thing he mentioned is that in cults, " members are systematically made to feel phobic about ever leaving the group . Today's cults know how to effectively implant vivid negative images deep within members' unconscious minds , making it impossible for the member to even conceive of ever being happy and successful outside of the group. "  He continued, " The unconscious mind is made to contain a substantial image-bank of all of the bad things that will occur if anyone should ever betray the group. "  He said that of course that most of these thoughts are irrational and nonsensical. But, remember most phobias are irrational .

   By the witnesses telling us our lives are doomed if we exit the religion, and that bad stuff will happen if we leave it , it is just another way to control our lives and to get us to stay under the Watchtower Societies controlling spell ! Many of us have found that we ARE much happier being out of the witness cult. So it is an unfounded fear that all will be terrible if you leave the witnesses.

  Also, another trick cults, like witnesses use is appealing to our basic human needs , in order to gain control of us. Quoting Hassan , he says, " Everyone, like it or not , is vulnerable to mind control. Everyone wants to be happy. Everyone needs affection and attention. Everyone is looking for something better in life : more wisdom, more knowledge, more money, more status, more meaning, better relationships, or better health. These basic human qualities and needs are exactly what cult recruiters prey upon. It is important to remember that for the most part, people don't join cults. Cults recruit people. "  So anybody can be coerced into joining a cult , even someone who feels they cannot be coerced into anything. If just one of these basic human needs that people value is appealed to by a prospective cult , it can suck in even the wary.

   So, it has been interesting reading this, quite educational to see how subversive and tricky cults as the Watchtower society can appeal to people, yet control them without even their knowledge of it.  So, what do you folks think? Have you seen this in the witnesses and other cults too? What experiences have you had or seen in others to verify what Steve Hassan is saying here ? I look forward to your comments as always.   Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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skykingRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
Sounds like a book I need to read.
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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
SKYKING-  It is excellent ! I was raised in the witnesses 44 years and I have already learned a lot from reading it. I'll post some more threads on it when I am halfway through the book. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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sspoRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

Read it and it fits the JW's like a glove.

Of course they will apply it to everyone else but themselves.

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whyizitRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

  Love Steve Hassan!!!!

  I think everyone uses these techniques to a certain degree.   I have used some of these same techniques to try to keep my child from dangerous situations.   Not really knowing it was mind control, but after reading up, it surely is!

  Using these methods to control someone unethically, THAT is a whole other story.  

  Religious cults aren't the only ones that use these methods.  There are a lot of pyramid type commercial organizations (er....cults) that do the same thing.  It's all about using what the person longs for the most.  Spiritual security, financial gain, longevity, business success....  lots of groups use the same system of mind control. 

  My in-laws recently went to a "free dinner" in a college town, and it turned out to be a cult-type group.   They offer something free, but they make you feel guilty if you don't listen to their schpeel, and then you feel pressured to get their tapes, videos, etc....  Which are tools to further indoctrinate you. 

  Fortunately, my father-in-law is a sharp cookie, and he didn't fall for any of it.

  How Cults Work . com is a great place to get basic info. about how it works and questions you can and should ask before joining anything. 

   I nearly fell into a commercial cult head-over-heels, and the way they recruit is very much like the WTS does it.   I was actually p.o.'d for quite some time at my husband for not wanting to get more involved.   Am I ever glad I married such a wise man!  (Whew!)

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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

SSPO-   Yeah, that is about right . The witnesses will apply the information to everybody else, not themselves.

WHYIZIT-   I guess your dad and mom found out the hard way that there is always a catch, nothing is free. A good thing that your dad was a sharp cookie and found out before joining . You are right though, I have seen lots of marketing companies use similar mind control tecniques as the witnesses do. Pretty sick stuff.  Peace out, Mr. Flipper 

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What-A-CoincidenceRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
Hassan is the bestest ever!
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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
WAC-  I agree Hassan's book certainly lives up to the hype I recieved about it. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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WTWizardRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

One thing that is certain.  When I became one of Jehvoah's Witlesses, I feel I had jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire in so many ways.  They promised that, if I joined the witlesses, they would take care of my needs for the opposite sex.  Not only they japped on that promise, but they made the problem even worse than it already was.  They also made it difficult for me to earn enough money to make ends meet, while usurping all my time on their field circus.

While I do not pretend that life is perfect outside the Watchtower Society, I cannot honestly say that anything has gotten worse just because I quit.  Nor can I honestly say that anything actually got better just because of joining.

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Witness 007Re: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
Sounds like the book I had read....the section on "Love bombing" new recriuts is very interesting.
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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

WT WIZARD- I agree with you. I too lost income because of having to do the door to door  magazine selling. I'm doing a lot better now financially.

WITNESS 007-  I did read about the " love bombing ". Something cults do when new members come in to make them feel loved. Then as time goes by they stop. Sound familiar ? Peace out, Mr. Flipper

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compound complexRe: Re: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

Hi Mr. Flipper,

I was reading it when I was love bombing a young and ardent "newbie" Bible student at the hall. My love bombing, however, was from our JWD standpoint [I was already on my way out but still attending meetings]. I was telling him to take it slow and easy and ask lots of questions, all the while essentially acting the role of a JW. He was having problems at home and stopped attending prior to my own exit forever. I don't know if he ever resumed. He has some JW relatives.

Thanks for your good topics and for asking how I'm doing. In an earlier post to you that aborted I mentioned I was well and finally busy with all the work I need. The rest of the time I'm here - yes, I do have a life!

CoCo

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ESTEERe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
I was love bombing a young and ardent "newbie" Bible student at the hall. My love bombing, however, was from our JWD standpoint [I was already on my way out but still attending meetings]. I was telling him to take it slow and easy and ask lots of questions, all the while essentially acting the role of a JW. He was having problems at home and stopped attending prior to my own exit forever.

Great work, CoCo! I'm prouda you!

ESTEE

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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
CoCo-   It sounds like a technique that works then. Hopefully the young man got out of the witnesses for good for his own sake. Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
ESTEE- I agree with you CoCo is a jewel among people ! He really cares about others !  Peace out, Mr. Flipper
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R.CrusoeRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan
I feel the reason you find it difficult to dis a cult is because they trade all your thoughts and emotions with any minor positive about themselves. I have noticed some one sided relationships are like this too - with one person reluctantly feeding carrotts to the other for larger pay offs. And the carrott may seem like the ultimate pay off anyone can offer even though the one offering it has little to lose e.g. you will get everlasting life if......etc. Remember the kindness shown you by the brothers and sisters by releasing you from your bondage to worldly mind control of hell fire etc... and so don't you feel compelled to dedicate your life (give a lifetimes obedience) to Jehovah? This kind of cult reasoning binds a person to a way of life - it does not encourage them to search their hearts and minds and continue to meke decisions based upon their human intuition and freewill - the very things they utilised to suck you into their mind control!! 
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DogpatchRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

I always recommend "Combatting Cult Mind Control" by Hassan to my readers as one of the first things they should read upon leaving the JWS, and for an outsider talking TO JWs. It is about HOW you talk to cult members, more so than WHAT to say. Very important!

Randy Watters

http://www.freeminds.org

 

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flipperRe: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

R. CRUSOE- Yes the Watchtower society does everything they can to dictate to witnesses about every aspect of their lives. They leave no stone unturned. They try to take all their critical thinking ability away and rob them of ANY free will. Sick stuff !

DOGPATCH-  I agree with you. My mom used to tell me as a "semi-rebel " teenager ," Mr. Flipper it's not what you are saying to me, it's how you are saying it . " So it goes as you say with getting people out of the witness cult, we have to be careful of the manner we do it in. It is a hard enough proposition, why make it harder, right ? Peace out Dogpatch, Mr. Flipper  Keep your good work up guy ! 

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JK666Re: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan

I have a question. Do you think that the GB and Writing Department have shrinks on staff to craft this mind control? Or do they just come by it naturally?

JK

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compound complexRe: Re: Having Phobias : Negative Images Keep People Cult Controlled- By Hassan


Offhand, does anyone know if the Society has ever discussed mind-control and how it's used upon recruits? It is different from the oft-used term "brainwashing."

It seems it would be pretty self-incriminating if they did publish the techniques employed by unscrupulous manipulators.

Thanks,

CoCo

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