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sir82Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?


In the January 1 2007 WT, there is the following quote in one of the articles regarding the "first resurrection" (there are a few other posts on that article already):

It seems that resurrected ones of the 24 elders group may be involved in communicating of divine truths today.

This may be the most significant sentence in the article (haven't read it in its entirety yet). I don't recall seeing anything like it in print before.

Seems to be laying the groundwork for a "flash of new light", to be exposed probably whenever the last of the 3 old-timers hanging on (Barr, Barber, Jaracz) drop off:

I suspect the "new light" will be this: Governing body members could be members of the "great crowd" rather than "anointed". If the "faithful & discreet slave" can communicate from beyond the dead, you don't really need any living on the earth, do you?

This resolves the whole issue of the "young anointed", and the paradox of roundly criticizing anyone who who dares to profess to be such in a local congregation, while simultaneously depending on such "young anointeds" to fill positions on the chief doctrine-producing body, the GB.

This could also lead to just entirely dropping the annual report of the (increasingly embarrassing) constant count of 8000+ Memorial partakers. Why bother to count them, if the majority are in heaven and are "communicating" with the GB? That would also take the pressure off them regarding the silly 1935 date, and it could just fade into oblivion.

Jaracz is the youngest of the old-timers, but he's in his 80's with heart problems. He may not last another 5 years. I'm sure they'd like to implement this before another embarrassing date arrives, 2014 (marking the close of the first century of the "last days").

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lovelylilRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

Hi thanks for the information.

Please see my thread in friends "what is the WT up to now?". I have been hearing from my fellow "anointed" friends all over the country that are saying the elders are trying to push them OUT of the congregation. Apparently people are asking serious questions about WHY the number of the "anointed" has not gone down significantly in the last decade when we are supposed to be so very close to the end. The WT may be trying to forcibly lower the count of those partaking (a number I think is much higher than they report anyway) by telling some they are wrong about their hope and harrasing them out of the org. Think about it, if people are paying attention the WT has to come up with a good reason as to why the number has been so high. If they organize a witch hunt against those professing to be heavenly and throw them out - they can tell the congregations that the number was high because some haughy ones were partaking when they should not have been. But now the numbers should be "adjusted". This is a very big issue with people still inside the org.

The WT is also up to some major organizational restructuring which will go along with there being no "anointed" leff on earth. If someone can find the link - ( I am not good at finding links). we discussed this issue a while back here on JWD and I said that the organization will do something drastic to change their organizational structure compeletly, even if this means that older ones will be disgusted and leave or forced out. They don't care but rather are concerned with campainging for new blood to come into the org and the numbers have been stagnant for some time. They are going to sacrifice the current members to try to boost their image and numbers. Just like Rutherford did when he forced out the bible students who came in under Russell and then had the "advertise, advertise, advertise" campaign. Their only survival will depend on whether they can ever increase their converts again. If not, the organization will burn itself out soon anyway. We are only seeing the beginning phase of what I think will be a major change. Lilly

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blondieRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/10/124039/1.ashx

Here's some other thoughts on this same topic.

Blondie

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minimusRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

This is quite interesting.....Think about it! ANYTHING could be channeled (sounds spiritistic, doesn't it?) by anyone that died and went to heaven. Having "new light" would be wonderful as it would prove that the "anointed" are actually calling the shots---not New York! This is BEAUTIFUL! I love it!!!!

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proplog2Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
Wait 'til Jaracz joins the 24 elders in the sky.  What will HE be telling the organization?
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*jeremiah*Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

I agree, it sounds very much like spiritism. Maybe their occultic roots are going to be coming more and more outwardly apparent.

Alice Bailey was a turn of the century spirit medium who wrote a collection of books from a "higher power". She wrote much about a new age or a coming new world and a new enlightenment. The UN cherishes her work too.

I can't help but see parallels and I think the convergance of these type of ideas will only grow closer and closer together.

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TopHatRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
Mat 15:9But in vain they do worship me, teaching [for] doctrines the commandments of men.
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cyberdyne systems 101Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

And how exactly do they communicate these divine truths??? And why is it that the annointed here on earth cant hear them properly!

CS 101

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minimusRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
It's tough to hear from the distance, you know. Sometimes the GB gets a little whisper and being old and hard of hearing, it's easy for imperfect men to err. This PROVES that what comes from above is always correct. It's just the message taker sometimes misunderstands the direction.
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DannyHaszardRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

 

It's tough to hear from the distance, you know. Sometimes the GB gets a little whisper and being old and hard of hearing, it's easy for imperfect men to err. This PROVES that what comes from above is always correct. It's just the message taker sometimes misunderstands the direction.

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Prince can now be among the appointed princes

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M.J.Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

This is taken right from the Revelation Climax book:

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re chap. 20p. 125 A Multitudinous Great Crowd***

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Great Crowd Makes Its Appearance

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From the time of the apostle John and on into the Lord’s day, anointed Christians were puzzled as to the identity of the great crowd. It is fitting, then, that one of the 24 elders, representing anointed ones already in heaven, should stir John’s thinking by raising a pertinent question. "And in response one of the elders said to me: ‘These who are dressed in the white robes, who are they and where did they come from? ’So right away I said to him: ‘My lord, you are the one that knows.’" (Revelation 7:13,14a) Yes, that elder could locate the answer and give it to John. This suggests that resurrected ones of the 24-elders group may be involved in the communicating of divine truths today.

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OnTheWayOutRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
If the "faithful & discreet slave" can communicate from beyond the dead, you don't really need any living on the earth, do you?
They can bring out Freddy Franz ideas again.  I know we keep getting our expectations too high here on JWD, but I will do it again.  WOW, expect some really whacko stuff to come out of "New Light" in the years leading up to the end of the 1st Century of the last days (Oct 2014).
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M.J.Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
*** What Does The Bible Really Teach? chap. 10 p. 103 Spirit Creatures—How They Affect Us ***

So "anyone who inquires of the dead" has been misled by wicked spirits and is acting contrary to the will of God. (Deuteronomy 18:10, 11; Isaiah 8:19)

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gumbyRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

Not to rain on anyones parade.......but the idea that the annointed MIGHT direct matters on earth in the New System isn't a new idea and has been discussed before in past Watchtower study articles......but I don't have a clue as to where it was stated. I remember a picture in one Watchtower where various presidents were shown from Russell to Fred Franz and the article spoke about ones such as these "ruling from heaven". After all, they do  believe these ones will rule as 'kings over the earth'.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach his diciples when he left the earth.......but we all know they put little importance on that scripture.

Gumby

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stillajwexelderRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
I personally think this could be dynamite
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restrangledRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

 Not only are the FDS communicating from beyond, next it'll be Russel sent a personal message that the pyramids really did hold all the clues but it needs to be measured by the metric system. 

Somebody needs to stop messing with the light switch.

r.

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sir82Re: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?

Gumby,

the idea that the annointed MIGHT direct matters on earth in the New System isn't a new idea and has been discussed before in past Watchtower study articles

True that...but the idea that the already-died-and-gone-to-heaven anointed might be directing matters on the earth RIGHT NOW is the point the article makes.

Although it's not a new idea, as I had suspected - it was in the Revelation book, released in 1988.

But I wonder if the thought might gather steam now, now that it is rather eveident that the entire Governing Body will be comprised of "young anointeds" within 5-10 years.

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JourlesRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
the pyramids really did hold all the clues but it needs to be measured by the metric system.
Well if that's the case, 1914 inches/A.D. just became 4861 centimeters/A.D. Will the earth still be habitable by then?
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GermanXJWRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
"8:3. And another angel. - Not the "voice of the Lord," mentioned in the preceding chapter, but the corporate body - the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society, which Pastor Russell formed to finish his work. This verse shows that, though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the Harvest work. The Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society is the greatest corporation in the world, because from the time of its organization until now the Lord has used it as His channel through which to make known the Glad Tidings. (The Finished Mystery 1917 p. 144)
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gumbyRe: Society laying the groundwork for "new light"?
 Watchtower 1930 September 1 p.263

.... But it seems certain that when Jesus came to his temple and began his work of judgment he would direct his holy angles to take the necessary action to cause the separation of the disapproved from the approved ones, and would use his angels to bear messages to them to direct the approved ones as to what to do. (Matt. 13:41) It is the power and authority proceeding from Jehovah God by and through his Christ Jesus to accomplish this work; but the angels are there for this purpose, and it is not the demonstration of the parakletos or holy spirit as a helper that directs men to do the separating work. If the holy spirit as a helper were directing the work, then there would be no good reason for employing the angels.(end quote)

 

These demented old bastards can't decide who directs the preaching work and directs matters on earth before armageddon.....the faithful annointed who have died, Jesus, Jehovah, the Holy Spirit, or the angels.

 In the above article,  they even unemploy the Holy Spirit and employ the angels cuz they hate the fact that the angels might be sitting on their asses and not doin nuthin......and everyone knows how Jehovah hates lazy creations of his

Gumworker

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