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MaximusFood at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Barbara


Barbara Anderson's attention was called to the thread about the differences in policy of Great Britain and the US regarding child abuse; as you know she has championed a change in that policy. Another post caught her eye, and she expressed the desire to share some thoughts with you.

I'm delighted to share her first post, which I know you will find riveting. She tells it like it truly is.

Maximus
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I would like to share some insight about the now infamous statement in the
Watchtower 1/1/89, p. 12, end of par. 8: "The apostle Paul was spearheading the Christian missionary activity. He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our 20th century."

Such information is be considered by all to be the "food at the proper time" dispensed by the faithful and discreet slave. Now that we are in the year 2001 it is seen to be patently ridiculous, of course.

This statement got its human author into a heap of trouble. This is the same writer who was responsible for the ridiculous Nethinim "given ones" article in the W 4/15/92, and Questions From Readers, Watchtower of June 15, and the Oct. 15, 2000 purposely misleading directives on blood. By the way, everybody in the Writing Department knows who he is.

The Governing Body had vowed never to use dates for the "end" again after the 1975 fiasco, and here was another statement making only more trouble for them to deal with. Many people were phoning and writing the Society. You will notice in the Watchtower bound volume for that year, as one poster pointed out, the statement was changed to "He was also laying a foundation for a work that would be completed in our day."

Why the blatant change? Because they couldn't allow the original statement to add even more to their reputation as "false prophets" when it comes to date-setting. This crackpot writer really got read the riot act because of his prophetic insightful words.

Some of you might wonder how the gaffe slipped by the editors of the Watchtower. Well, Governing Body members Brothers Barry, Barr, and Kline were old, tired men, some of whom suffered exhaustion and jet lag from many zone trips, etc. It was no wonder as they quickly read through drafts of articles that such problematic statements could be missed.

Only Barry was college educated O so long ago, and he was ill and exhausted
most of the time. His mind was divided between putting out fires that were flaring up here and there within the earthly Kingdom he and his fellow GB members ruled, getting through his daily routine and assignments, moving from his room when the walls needed washing, etc.

So the poor man couldn't help but be under pressure. (Once he told me he
couldn't wipe the supper dishes and the counter to his wife's satisfaction.) Unquestionably, if articles passed through the anointed hands of these three men without red marks, they easily passed editors next in line pro forma. When the "20th century" statement passed without being red marked by the three GB members, all the other readers in the Writing Department, including the proofreaders, accepted that it was okay to state "in our 20th century."

After egregious blunders like this, the idea of assistants to the GB in Writing who would do the editing work for the GB sounded like an excellent idea. As to the unfortunate writer, to any reasonable person it would seem that someone would be removed from his position who came up with such "new light" (Nethinim, the teaching that was a hoax), and seemingly highly educated medical information on blood ("four components"), which in reality showed the height of ignorance.

That, however, was not to be so at the top of "God's organization," where blockheads are never in short supply. Remember, a person makes it to the top not because of education or intelligence, but because of one’s obedience and loyalty--and don't forget "seniority" or partiality to the "good ole boy" network. Our particular writer under discussion has been in Bethel since the 50’s and was famous for his insidious, obsequious behavior (brown-nosing, to be blunt). In fact, he was rewarded for his blunders by being made one of the assistants to the GB.

Stay at Bethel long enough and you're sure to be a big cheese some day. It
also helps if you know somebody. There are exceptions to the rule, of
course. That's so particularly in the technical area. It doesn't take long to be moved to a really important department if you have needed skills, but that doesn't mean you will be an overseer.

Overseers are usually men who are unskilled, but they lord it over the people in their departments who have the skills. Overseers are in their position mainly for showing obedience to organization rules. Writers in Bethel, with but a few exceptions, are not trained nor especially gifted. If you can write material a twelve-year-old can understand, you can be a writer; that is, if chance and circumstance have anything to do with it.

Now maybe you, dear reader, can understand why all the contradictions, changes, blunders, and drivel that appear in the Society's literature. This doesn't mean that all articles appearing in the magazines are written by inept people. Some senior writers are excellent writers, but they can not express any new and different ideas, only the party line.

Pedantic or precise people quickly learn the art of being non-controversial. Also, senior writers can accept and put through under their own name, very interesting and well written articles from certain people who are not in Bethel. Would the above be considered "new light" or maybe "present light" as C.T. Russell liked to call his cornucopia of non-inspired writings? I hope so.

Money is not what drives men at Bethel, so what does?

It's the three P’s: Power, Pride, and Position.

What drives women in Bethel? For sure it's not the three P’s.

It's called survival of the fittest!


Barbara
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AmazingRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Thanks Maximus and Barbara: I am not surprised that things like this happen. The more I learn about the Society, the more I discover what you say about them is the truth. You have seen it first hand, and this should give honest JWs some real food for thought. Thanks again. - Amazing
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hillary_stepRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Maximus & Barbara.

Many thanks for your post. I know that it took great courage for you to do this and the implications that publicising your feelings regarding the WTS's 'soft underbelly' will have on yourself and your family is noted with deep admiration and respect.

Thank you - HS
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JeffTMaximus, a question.
What was the WT 4/15/92 article you mentioned. I left in 1989 and never saw it.
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Ray SkyhorseRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Thanks for the interesting post Barbara & Maximus.

[q]This statement got its human author into a heap of trouble. This is the same writer who was responsible for the ridiculous Nethinim "given ones" article in the W 4/15/92, and Questions From Readers, Watchtower of June 15, and the Oct. 15, 2000 purposely misleading directives on blood. By the way, everybody in the Writing Department knows who he is. [/q]

I'd like to know more about "Nethinim" article and the other things you mentioned. Anyone care to elaborate? Thanks.

Peace,
Ray
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MaximusRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from Barb
I just checked my mail, and I found this choice gem from one of the organization's faithful servants. Let me share it:

> Maximus,
>
> Now I truly know you for the faggot that you are.
> It's bad enough you divulge the BOE letters, but now
> you've really done it.
> By having Barbara tell what happened at Bethel,
> you bring ultimate reproach on God's organization
> that is made up of imperfect humans -- He has always
> used fallible humans, you know that.
> Too bad there is no special ring of Hellfire devoted for
> your kind and that Jezebel woman. I shall pray
> for your quick demise in a plane accident or a fire.

Please note this dude, obviously a male, does not make an accusation of lying. To him, it's about spilling the beans--telling the truth--which brings reproach!

I need not add the information above is from Barbara; I can authenticate it by similar stories and situations.

Maximus
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D wiltshireRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Thank Barbra for your courage to speak out.

To put your name to it even takes more courage. BTW I hope everything eventually work out well for your whole family.

I hear the ring of truth.

I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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hillary_stepRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Maximus,

I shall pray for your quick demise in a plane accident or a fire

Thankfully this picture of Christian values is at least trying to love his enemies - he could quite easily have asked for a slow death.

Shake the log and look what scuttles out. Getting closer to you TJ?...... Your city is falling.


HS
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MoxyRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from Barb
thank you for continuing to raise the quality of board, barbara. i hope you keep coming by.

mox
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MaximusRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from Barb
Thanks, Hillary.

I didn't choose the Gladiator persona without good reason ...

PS to those who may not get the BOE disclosure reference above,
see Smoking Gun http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=10923&site=3

Maximus
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SeekerRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Fascinating anecdote, Barbara, thanks for sharing. I always figured that's how it played out, but it's always good to have some confirmation.

Question: Is the denigrating of the Nethinim article your personal take on it, or is it viewed at HQ as a millstone idea they have to live with even if they consider it rubbish? From what I can tell, the Nethinim idea is moving full steam ahead, gradually paving the way for non-anointed to completely take over. So I was surprised to see this article viewed as foolish, unless that is just your, Barbara's, personal take on it (as it is my take).
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JTRe: Food at Proper Time: Insider's View, from B...
Max and Barb

we are here on the floor- if this is the writer i think it is
you are so true about this guy.

well thanks for the bethel stories

they are the funniest

james

Barb I got to to talk to you - now i can pick my wife up off the floor
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seven006Re: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from ...
Maximus,

Thank you for your post and thank you for posting the reply from the organization's faithful servant. If the reasoning is correct in that the JW religion is indeed god's organization and the writers make mistakes because they are "imperfect humans" it certainly explains all the contradictions that appear in the bible and the JW publications.
What it doesn't explain is the so called "inspiration" factor. I guess god only inspires man to write on his behalf but doesn't take the time to either "direct" or "proof" what his inspired writes write. It must be that the writes are inspired but the proofers are on their own. Even the copy for a TV ad about laundry soap seems to have more attention put on it for accuracy then the inspired writings of the Watchtower society. The TV ad writers are imperfect humans but they seem to get the job done right. That's one difference, and the other is they use the term "New and Improved" instead of "New Light". In both cases it's the same old bullshit.

Dave
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MaximusRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Bar
Seeker,

On a previous thread I posted the gross distortion of Professor Frank Gorman regarding pouring out of blood. (They have not heard the last of that one.) That outrageous act illustrates the problems the Society gets into when it starts with a conclusion and then looks for quotations or Scriptural examples to make its point--rather than look at the facts dispassionately and THEN come to a conclusion. I've posted about the late Sir Fred Hoyle, who was similarly misquoted for decades, and on and on.

You are correct, Seeker. Because of the aging GB and their obvious inability to care for the growing work load, it was obvious that non-anointed men be used in some recognized fashion. That CONCEPT of necessity is moving full steam ahead, as evidenced by corporate changes last year and more to come. How best to present that notion to the brethren, since they were so used to direction only by the remnant of the anointed?

Where they got into trouble was trotting out the Nethinim gambit to explain things. Anyone who carefully works through the scriptures involved is left with the clear impression this was a terribly strained concept, at best, a horrible misapplication in reality. One would today be called a Jonadab more quickly than Nethinim class at Bethel. It just flopped, and the term has met a bland and quiet fate, I believe winding up in a Proclaimers footnote.

Ah, but there were three terms: Nethinim, "chieftains" and "glorious ones."
You know which two are used frequently today. (Isn't there a scripture about lording it over the brothers ... ?) It's about as acceptable as believing that Isaiah prophesied about Naval ships off the coast of wherever. Most senior men I know snigger in their sleeve at such unpalatable food, but continue to smile and play the organization game.

The failure of Armageddon to come when convenient has posed serious consequences that are going to continue to plague the organization.

Maximus
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SixofNineRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from ...
That would be off the coast of shittem, I believe, Max. I-say-ah, Kips of shittem...Lots and lots of boats 'n boatloads.

The failure of Armageddon to come when convenient has posed serious consequences that are going to continue to plague the organization.

Still, is fair to ridicule these glorious ones for God's failure?
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waitingRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from ...
Howdy Maximus,

The "glorious ones." I think that one stuck in my craw worse than the others. The "Nethinim" just seemed rather logical - the men were old, they needed help - and the pickin's were getting slim among the anointed.

But the "glorious ones" name was shoving it in our faces. These were our family, our friends, our enemies, our equals who lorded it over us. And now? The elders are put on a level with what some biblical translations reserve for angels.

the coast of shittem, .....lots and lots of boats - 6of9

Ain't that the truth.

waiting
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MoxyRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Bar
glorious ones?

the term i heard most often from bethelites was "given ones." isnt that the most common term today?

mox
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biblexaminerRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from ...
I was at the WT study that day for the nethinem article. The conductor, an elder, put his thumbs where suspenders would be and put his shoulders back. He smiled and went on about how "glorious" they (elders) all would be.

He's dead now. Cancer.

Not so glorious.
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MaximusRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from Bar
Hey, Mox!

You still saying "rendezvous"? "Given ones" is a dead term. They just call 'em GB assistants.

Seriously, "glorious ones" is now identified with <can't get this out> ELDERS

Watchtower lawyer Mario Mareno wasn't up to date either, when he referred to these spiritual shepherds as "untrained volunteers." Oh, yes. Forgot.
That was to a newspaper reporter, for legal reasons.

Maximus
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RanchetteRe: Food at Proper Time:Insider's Insight from ...
Max and Barb,
I just want to thank you both for sharing this information with all of us.I need a little time to digest it all before comment much,but that email you got Max,is just plain scary!It was one of the most hateful things I've seen so far.This is how they act when the not so pretty truth comes out!Thanks for sharing it because it exposes the way witnesses think.I'm ashamed to admit it but I remember a time when this could have been me.I know many others would agree if they could remember how it was being a witness ,field service is not an option.
I did not appreciate any one making it any more difficult than it already was.I don't think I would have gone as far as to email you but I bet I would have been praying that Jehovah bring quick justice,remember all those stories they told us about major opposers and persecuters being struck dead?I'm saying this because this person didn't come up with this thinking on ther own.They were trained this way.That should be both sad and alarming to every one here.
Ranchette
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