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Simon  ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

Yes, I have decided to finally close down the forum!

JWD has been running continuously (with only the odd minor outage) for well over 8 years and in that time has seen tens of thousands of members submit 3 million posts and hundreds of thousands of PMs.

We started it ourselves when we were on the way out and intended it as civil, welcoming place where people could meet and discuss beliefs, their concerns and get support through what is a difficult time.

At the same time as wanting to do something good for others I also wanted to do something good for myself. I wanted to channel the hurt caused by the Watchtower society into something positive. I’ve seen people over the years that have allowed themselves to become eaten up by bitterness and desire for some sort of revenge and didn’t want to end up like that.

In hindsight, helping people is the only way to really hurt the WTS. People join the religion largely because of social factors (a few probably like the doctrines but I don’t think most ever really know what they even are!) so providing social assistance is what helps people leave. Seeing people able to leave and live a normal successful life can encourage those trapped to take steps to freedom. It is the best revenge.

I think we have largely accomplished what we set out to.

Along the way JWD has been involved in some major events in the world of JWs – the revelations about UN membership, child abuse settlements, various lawsuits, documentaries by major TV channels around the world and umpteen other causes many of which were made public or announced on here. I remember being on the phone with the producer of BBC Panorama asking about the religion and working with them to keep mention of the programme hidden until they were ready to broadcast!

People have met and made new friends, there have been meet-ups and apostafests (Florida – yay!) some have become close and there have even been some marriages and births as a result of meeting through the forum! Sadly, we’ve also lost people along the way which has touched many and we have shared in other people’s tragedies and hopefully provided some measure of support for them.

Many people have made a positive contribution to the site and helped to make it what it is which we really appreciate. We are especially grateful of course to all those who have helped with moderation of the forum which is an absolutely thankless task at times – they have to deal with you lot AND me!  LOL

The forum just would not have lasted as long as it has without them and I owe them a huge amount of gratitude and credit both for the time and energy spent keeping things civil and taking care of the site as well as the emotional support they have given us behind the scenes. They have always spoken their mind and been willing to tell me when I’ve been an idiot which is just as important.

Over the years we’ve seen many people come, work through various issues and move on. Some stop around a while to help others and a few pop back to say 'hi' from time to time but as I’ve always said it should be the aim of every ex-JW to eventually become an ex-ex-JW. It is healthy and an indication that people are moving on and growing and that the forum is of use.

I think it is now our turn.

That doesn’t mean that it’s been an easy decision to make of course but we have been thinking about it for some time now and recent events have strengthened our resolve and confirmed that we are making the correct decision.

Running a good forum is not easy or simple. It is impossible to please everyone and not everyone wants to take part in a civilised community or even allow other people to do the same.

Over the years we have been subject to various, what can only be described as ‘hate campaigns’ with various lies and slander told in attempts to ruin our character and reputations as well as those of some of the moderators. We have been subject to repeated harassment, threats and attempts at intimidation of a level that I think most people are unaware of.

Recently the malicious activity that people have engaged in has reached new lows with obscene emails sent to me and my work (to no avail I must add – I have a really great employer why already knew all about my JW past and the forum and have been very supportive over this). These people have threatened me, my wife and our children and are actively seeking our home address (and claiming that they already have it and offering to share it with others). They are also harassing some of the moderators who give their time and energy freely simply to help others.

The internet truly gives every cowardly slime-ball a voice and a virtual street corner to stand on. BTW: Any information that people may have about any of those concerned would definitely be appreciated so that we can pursue action against them for what are definite crimes.

The ex-JW community has certainly changed over the years.

People have and always will have disagreements but in the past there was a certain level of mutual respect, even if you vehemently disagreed with someone, and a line that people would not cross. Now it seems that the slightest disagreement is taken to extremes and escalated beyond all proportion with a level of vitriol seen in very few online communities. Some people even hold grudges about things that have happened literally 5 or 6 years ago! How sad and pathetic is that?

It seems that too many people don't want a civil place and for some reason don’t want to see other people have one either.

I think the silent majority have always appreciated what we do and continue to support us but there is a sizeable minority that is either easily swayed or too lazy or stupid to see what is happening or just plain don’t care and even think its all fun to watch and it becomes a game – maybe they have nothing better to do with their lives?

Others seem to have a problem with any sort of authority and refuse to cooperate with the simplest request. Time and again we see simple requests or announcements turned into major battles and campaigns.

Some people seem too selfish and only appear to be interested in their own wants and ‘rights’ while ignoring those of others who don’t want to see or put up with such nonsense. They are unwilling to look at the bigger picture or the intent behind what has been said and instead they want to argue over every word of every request or announcement. Of course, they know what is really going on – much of the frustration and anger that I have voiced recently comes from the fact that they know what has really been said but they do not care. They have a plan and do these things intentionally and distort what I say to scare people away and to misrepresent us.

If anyone publicly voices any support for us then they turn on them too and try to drive them away with insults, attacks and attempts to reveal people’s identities and cause trouble for them.

I’ve never liked bullies which is why I have been so stubborn all these years and refuse to give in to these people. Sometimes others have been caught up in things which is unfortunate but typically the result of them not looking at what is really going on or just accepting and repeating the lies that they have heard elswhere. I have little patience for these people whether they have done things because of malice, stupidity or plain laziness.

While the forum has always survived (and I think always would because of the majority of decent posters) the hate campaigns die down for a while but never stop and we know they will just start again over the latest issue-of-the-day or request. All the old chestnuts and lies are resurrected and the cycle repeats. The forum ends up just discussing itself which is a waste of time.

While many may disagree with some decisions I have made over the years and how I have run the forum I can point to the fact that it is the biggest and longest running as vindication of the approach. Other forums have come and gone and alternate approaches tried and abandoned when they were shown not to work. Yes, it takes a certain bone-headed stubborn individual to do it but I think our success proves that we must have done something right!

Of course I will have made lots of mistakes and could have handled some things better. I my defence I would say that I never advertised perfection and it has been a learning experience for us along the way. I don’t think everyone appreciates the amount of time, money and energy that we have committed to run this site and what we have had to put up with along the way. So yes, I’ve been cranky at times – but then I may have just spent hours being jerked around by someone or received some threatening email. People want to be shown patience but not everyone is willing to give any to us when we’re trying our best to do the right thing for the best of intentions.

An example this week is typical. Someone can slander me by accusing me of being ‘an angry drunk’ but when I say anything back in reply there are howls of protest and demands for me to apologise. Sorry, but that just aint gonna happen!

There are other forums where people actively plot to come on this site to cause trouble and where they post slanderous lies. They seem to have very little to do with their lives but we have so the bottom line is that I’m giving up and letting them ‘win’ (I’m not sure even they know what they won but I hope they are happy). I feel sorry for someone if this is really the best thing they can focus their energy on - it's pitiful in fact.

Inevitable of course we’re quite sad and feel like we’ll be letting some people down. I know the vast majority of posters who come here and use the site without ever being a problem may be disappointed and for these people we are truly sorry but we’re just getting too tired of it all to carry on any longer and our interest in anything related to JW-ism has waned.

The site could never really end on a high and was always going to end some way like this. We could never close it when everything was running smoothly and it was all plain sailing. Even now there are lots of things that I planned to do which I know would make a difference to the site and counter some of the negative action but I think it’s time to call it a day for us.

We’ll take with us some great memories, some good friends that we’ve made along the way and an enormous sense of pride in what we accomplished - that we were able to build something that helped and touched so many people. The messages of appreciation we’ve had over the years really have meant a lot to us and helped encourage us to keep it going as long as it has.

So what is going to happen now?

I’m sure that some will rejoice and gloat and do whatever they think I won’t like. I also know that there will be a hell of a lot more people who will be sorry to see the site go and angry at the people responsible or even at us for quitting – we’re sorry, honestly.

Other forums will start-up to replace this one and if anyone wants any help setting up a serious site (not a trivial chit-chat site) for the purpose of helping others then I am willing to give advice (technical or otherwise). If they PM me then I will be happy to promote it on here as long as it isn’t a “let’s trash Simon” site like others have been.

I haven’t decided on the exact mechanism yet but the forum will continue to operate for the time being although registration will be kept closed. I don’t have a date yet but I won’t just pull the plug without plenty of warning.

Once posting has been disabled (don’t worry, I’ll give more warning!) then the site archive will be kept available and if there is another good site we will include links to it so that new people wanting to join a still active site can be directed to it.

I know Lady Lee who has done a huge amount of work creating a very valuable 'best of' section still wants to add more to it. She has brought together a wealth of valuable gems that make it easy for people to research a whole host of issues.

Later on I may sell the domain name if someone makes a suitable offer (the dysfunctional bunch need not apply of course!)

What about us?

Well, we started a new life and it’s going really well! We both got great jobs that we enjoy with good companies that appreciate us. We have a great family, both here and back in the UK (until we convince them to move over LOL) and we couldn’t be happier. Running the forum has been a great experience and I think made us both much more confident and assertive which has certainly helped career-wise.

I have other projects that I want to work on and the things I’ve learnt from creating and running the forum will be extremely useful. I’ll also have so much more time to commit to them now!

Mainly though we’ll be relaxing and enjoying the sun (or snow) and the great city we live in or visiting the mountains (we’re determined that we can’t be the only people in Canada that can’t skate or ski ).

We’ll still be here for a little while longer but would like to say “thank you” to everyone who has used the site over the years and taken part in building up the community and especially those who helped us run it - all the moderators, past and present (we really have a great team of people right now). It’s been a blast.

As Dave Allen used to say, “Goodbye, and may your god go with you!”

- Simon & Angharad

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What-A-CoincidenceRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
Shutting down is ridiculous. Have someone take over.
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TatianaRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

I knew this day would come sooner or later... I've been here over 7 years, and this was the site that helped me get my niece out. I'm glad you will be archiving the info. I was worried all that would be lost, and Lady Lee, Blondie, Leolia (sp) and a host of others I can't think of off the top of my head, certainly put a lot of work into gathering all of it.

Thanks, Simon, for hosting the site for this long. Maybe someone would want to take it over. Anyway, I did move on, and came here once in a while to check up on things....I will have my psychology degree in 7 months. I understand so much more about this cult and the havoc it wreaks on your mind. This was a place to vent, and laugh, and cry, and rage, and love, and apologize. I had fun...

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SnakesInTheTowerRe: Re: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

wow...

what else can I say?  Other than Thank You for keeping it running this long.

Snakes ()

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quietlyleavingRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

thankyou Simon and Angharad for keeping JWD going for so long. Personally I have gained a lot and feel confident about moving on when the time comes to close the forum.  The archives will be invaluable.

This last weekend was staggeringly bad, insulting and unappreciative and I'm really sorry that it happened.

Best wishes to you both and to your children and I'm glad that you have a rewarding life to enjoy in Canada.

ql

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Awakened at GileadRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

Simon,

This site saved my mind and made me many new friends in a short time. My life has been transformed, in part, due to the support I have received in my journey in warp speed out the the JWs!

Life moves on, and I wish you the best.

A@G

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SimonRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

I've thought about giving it to someone else to take over but I don't think it would work for a number of reasons:

1. I don't think it would be fair on whoever took it over (there are too many crazies that don't like it)
2. You would need a certain degree of computer expertise - it is a custom forum, not a packaged app
3. There would probably be some legalities with transferring all the account information
4. I would have a strict set of requirements that would be too onerous to comply with (like not letting the crazies back on!)

To be honest, because of the behaviour of some people and what gets posted I wouldn't recommend the site to any lurking or doubting JW anymore which is wny I'd rather close it.

Any other site should stand or fall on it's own account without simply being an offshoot of this one.

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sweetstuffRe: Re: Re: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

Recently the malicious activity that people have engaged in has reached new lows with obscene emails sent to me and my work (to no avail I must add – I have a really great employer why already knew all about my JW past and the forum and have been very supportive over this). These people have threatened me, my wife and our children and are actively seeking our home address (and claiming that they already have it and offering to share it with others). They are also harassing some of the moderators who give their time and energy freely simply to help others.

The internet truly gives every cowardly slime-ball a voice and a virtual street corner to stand on. BTW: Any information that people may have about any of those concerned would definitely be appreciated so that we can pursue action against them for what are definite crimes.

 That is horrible. I dont' have any information for you, but I can totally understand that you need to protect your family and privacy first. This site has been at times for me a place to vent, to share and to even laugh. I'll miss it dearly but you are a person first, a forum owner second. If it was my family, my privacy being threatened, I would say enough is enough.

I do hope, perhaps, someone could take over the site. That being said, thank you for providing alot of us with somewhere to feel a sense of community and understanding.  

 

 

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TwitchRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

Alas, all good things must come to an end.

I understand and respect your decision as tough as it is/was. Admins are human too (my suspicions now confirmed ;)

Kudos to you sir, for what you have done here and for what you've enjoyed and endured in running this site.

I wish you well in your future endeavors, whenever and wherever that may be.

Brad

 

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What-A-CoincidenceRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
Good point Simon. Thanks for the forum. The forum saved my life when I was at a depressed/suicidal point in my life. Thanks to all.
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BabaYagaRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
Dear Simon and Angharad,

I am greatly saddened to hear of the personal threats aimed at you and your loved ones. There is no excuse for that, and nothing can make that right.

I am hugely saddened, too, by the thought of this place not being here as the "Underground Railroad" for JWs having doubts.

Part of my fear was alleviated by your words that the research provided here would be archived... thank you thank you thank you!!!!!!

There is not much else to say. If it were not for this site, I would still be an apologist after being out for two decades. It was the UN debacle that shook me to my roots.

I hope and pray someone might pick up the reins and continue.

Love and thanks,
Baba.
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chellechelle  Re: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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rolling rockRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
Damn! That really sucks.
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SnakesInTheTowerRe: Re: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

Simon:

I wouldn't recommend the site to any lurking or doubting JW anymore which is wny I'd rather close it

This has bothered me also.  The reason for the site seems to have evolved from when you started it.  It is unfortunate that I too would have a difficult time sending the only loved one that I have still in the dubs (my mom) here.... It would be nice to pare this site down to an archive site...maintaining the essentials for the purpose of helping the lurkers, the ones looking for help.  Get rid of all the extraneous threads....Links to helpful sites that allows newbies to get the help we used to be able to give here.

Is it possible maybe to keep the PM function available for awhile after posting ends so we dont lose contact with our JWD friends?...I dont know what is involved in running this forum..the technical ins and outs...what would be involved..or whether that defeats the purpose of you moving on with your life. Probably a good idea stopping new ones coming aboard.  Got to cut if off somewhere.

its been hard to keep up with email addresses, phone numbers, etc...I guess we better scramble to get contact information before it shuts down for good.

Again, thanks to Simon and Angharad and all the mods for running this place.  I too have been thinking that I need to move on...to become an ex-EX JW....this will force me to do it....

...any idea on the deadline yet?...

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seeitallclearlynowRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

All the very, very best to you and Angharad, and your family, Simon. This is a massive, wonderful website that must have driven you nuts at times but what a delightful place for meeting and getting good information all these years.

Thank you for providing it and maintaining it. It meant so much to me my first year out and I've enjoyed the great people here all these years.

 

 

 

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Awakened at GileadRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
"Where else will we go?"
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chrisjoelRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
 
thank you for providing alot of us with somewhere to feel a sense of community
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calicoRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN
This forum has helped me more than you will know--so sorry to see it go. 
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cognizant dissidentRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

I joined this site 2.5 years ago, at the suggestion of Randy Watters who I had some personal correspondence with.  It has been instrumental in helping me to do research into Watchtower doctrine and cement in my own mind, with reason and logic, what I knew in my gut to be "true" about the WTBTS. 

For that I will always be grateful, but even more so for the fine real life friends I have made here, Hillary Step and his wife, Belbab and his wife, and Ilbh.  The biggest eye opener for me was what intelligent, loving, kind people of high character those "evil apostates" were, at least the ones I had the good fortune to meet on this site.  My only regret is there were quite a few more that I would have liked the chance to meet in person some day.

So, I personally feel I owe you a debt of gratitude for this site, Simon, and yet, I totally understand and agree with your reasons for shutting it down.  I would have done the same if I was in your position. You certainly do not need to sacrifice your life and family peace for this forum. All good/great things must come to an end and it is time to move on for many, myself included.  It is the end of an era, but it was a great era and you are going out on top.  I hope you remember mostly all the great things over the years and those remain uppermost in your mind and heart, not the low points of the last few weeks and months.

Here's to you and your family, Simon.  Wish I had the chance to sit down and toast you with a real one.

Cheers,

Cog

 

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purplesofaRe: ATTN: END OF AN ERA - JWD WILL BE WINDING DOWN

I wish I could express in words what I feel inside,  I will give it a bit of a try.

I can only imagine what you and your wife have gone through making this decision.  I know its not just these recent events.  You have more balls than that. 

There has to be a great deal of love for others for you and the moderators, to have kept it going this long.

I will embrace that and carry it with me. 

Thank you for the warning so that many of us can exchange email addys and such, say our good byes.

I am thankful I got here when I did, and met so many ........I just met a wonderful poster today even!

 

I am sure you like the rest of us will go through a sort of grieving process. 

This could be a very healthy thing for many posters.

edited to add:  Not the grieving, getting a life.

 

I hope you two and your family have a happy life, learn to ski and skate

and know what good you have done for so many,

 

Thank-you,

Leslie  (purps)

 

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