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Big DogYou Can't Get It Back


The higher education thread got me thinking about the thing I loathe, despise, hate with the intensity of a thousand suns about the WBTS, namely, the loss of my childhood. I remember when engaging in blistering arguements with my parents about being able to play sports or take up an instrument or dream of being an astronaut, or whatever thing the society frowned on that I wasn't allowed to do at the end I would always get the same final reply, "When you are 18 and out of the house you can do whatever you want."

Oh really. I can go back and play Pop Warner football, or little league baseball, or play in the school band, etc? And the worse thing is, even some of the things I could do aren't the same as they are when you are a child. Sure I can go play slo pitch softball now with the guys from the office, but that isn't the same as it is for a kid playing little league baseball when he can devot his whole being to it and dream of being the next Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays, its a bunch of old guys with creaky knees and beer guts goofing off. The magic that accompanies the activities for a child is gone as an adult, the dreaming of what could be when life is still largely unlived and all possibilities are all still wide open.

You can't get it back. That's why we punish crimes against children so harshly, once you strip a child of their childhood you can't give it back, they are forever changed and scared and the innocence is gone. The WBTS stripped me and so many others of the dreams and joy that should have been my right as a child and I hate them for it, because I can't get it back.
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rebel8Re: You Can't Get It Back

That is very true.  Every so often we get people saying the classic, "It's in the past, now it's up to you to take action, get over it..."

It is true we need to move forward and take responsibility for our future lives.  It is also true that having a great present/future life in no way makes up for the losses experienced in the past.
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under74Re: You Can't Get It Back

mmm...ya. My older brother recently started a kind of argument with my older sister who has three kids. She's put them in all kinds of after school activities and all three play sports. My older brother argues that it's too much and doesn't understand why the kids are always doing something....I kind of agree the kids are too busy BUT I argued with him because I think my sister is overcompensating for what we weren't allowed to do. While I know this doesn't justify the kids being busy with sports and clubs every night...I understand my sister is trying to give them everything we didn't have.

It's the same at Christmas...the kids are spoiled and pretty much get what they asked for if it's within reason. My other siblings usually tend to frown upon the kids getting so much on Christmas even though none of us are JW any longer. But hell, I buy them want at Christmas they want too!

I told my sister that even though I can't argue with what she's doing with her kids that I think she does it because of the way we were raised. All she said to me was, "yeah, it's true."
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nilfunRe: You Can't Get It Back
Every so often we get people saying the classic, "It's in the past, now it's up to you to take action, get over it..."

*nods* Yes, I think that these are unnecessary words also.  Once you've found a trustworthy person(s) to be witness to the pain of childhood (in whatever degree that was)  and they have the ability to suspend judgment while you go through the memories and tell your story -- having a listener -- I think *that* is one of the great catalysts for change -- to simply tell a person to "get over it" -- means nothing & does nothing for them.  The question of "ok, I was hurt -- so NOW what?" will present itself eventually.
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xjwmsRe: You Can't Get It Back

Big Dog

I have to agree.

My life would be so different today.  The one thing is sure, ... I would'nt have $$$ worries like I do today.

I passed on so many real estate offers over the years, I could just through up.  And the youth thing, I feel the same as you.
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talesinRe: You Can't Get It Back

Yah, it's the hardest part to get over,,,  it affects the rest of your life.  I keep finding out 'new' things that my parents denied me, that they didn't tell me about when I was a kid.  It's hard to 'get over it' and forgive, when I am faced with the effects at every turn in the road ...

t

 
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Wasanelder OnceRe: You Can't Get It Back

When you are raised by Chicken Little (WTBTS) its hard not to spend your childhood yelling door to door, "The Sky is Falling!" So, I too agree that the loss of childhood is a shame. Forutnately my folks weren't baptized so we were allowed many things others weren't. Of course there was always that rope around the neck, we were let out so far then yanked back. No army toys, army movies, etc that was ok to me.

W.Once
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BillygoatRe: You Can't Get It Back
Oh really. I can go back and play Pop Warner football, or little league baseball, or play in the school band, etc? And the worse thing is, even some of the things I could do aren't the same as they are when you are a child. Sure I can go play slo pitch softball now with the guys from the office, but that isn't the same as it is for a kid playing little league baseball when he can devot his whole being to it and dream of being the next Mickey Mantle or Willie Mays, its a bunch of old guys with creaky knees and beer guts goofing off. The magic that accompanies the activities for a child is gone as an adult, the dreaming of what could be when life is still largely unlived and all possibilities are all still wide open.

I understand.  No matter what I'll never be a cheerleader or a star on the high school volleyball team like I wanted.  I'll never remember the magic of my "first date", or prom or other typical teenage/childhood things.  That magic of not really worrying about anything but homework, finals, and the cute boy in math class.  It is a loss I've had to grieve over for years now. 

But in that grief, I've also learned there are things that I can do with a childish perspective.  When I play sports, I do play with everything I have.  I cheer my team mates like a little girl screaming and yelling.  I've found my encouragement actually is infectious and before you know it, the whole team is playing like a bunch of kids.  It's rather funny.  Then we celebrate with a slushy at Sonic...just like when we were kids.  Granted, we are slower and have a few more aches and pains, but it's the attitude with which you play, not necessarily the young muscles.

Christmas is huge in our family.  Not so much the presents, but the getting together and playing games, tasting treats, licking the bowls, snuggling next to the fireplace and reading a story.  Drinking hot cocoa with huge marshmallows on top and dipping a cookie in it.  Family is what's important in our holidays.  I hope to pass that down to my children someday.

I think we can do what we've always wanted to do, it's just up to us how far we're going to take it.  When you meet an elderly person that has lived an amazing life, is it really WHAT that person has accomplished that makes him/her so attractive?  Or is it the attitude they lived their life with?  That ornery vibrant twinkle in their eye?  My great-grandmother is like that.  The woman is 97 years young...the orneriest, silliest, funniest person in my family.  She acts more like a kid than most of her great and great-great grandkids. 

Andi - hoping to be an ornery, vibrant, twinkle-eyed person for the next 65 years. 
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Darth YhwhRe: You Can't Get It Back

I wholeheartedly agree Big Dog.  The only consolation that I have is that I enjoy a vicarious childhood through my own children.

One thing for certain, when my children display a particular skill or gift I will do everything in my power to give them the tools, training, experience, or education required to help them advance or thrive. 
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ChrisVanceRe: You Can't Get It Back
I agree 100%.  I started college at age 50 and am about to finish my master's degree.  But like you say it's not the same.  For one thing I don't have a full life ahead of me to build a career based on my college degrees.  I'd like to do a Ph.D. but at age 55 I wonder if it's worth it.
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Big DogRe: You Can't Get It Back
I hear you guys, its like you want to climb mountains?  Fine let me check for the closest moutain climbing school.  College is a given if they want to go.  Whatever they want to try I am behind 100%.  Then it hits me how different that is from the way I was raised, and the way that I see my siblings (all dubs) raising theirs.  Two of my nephews are at Bethel, neither have ever been on a date, been to a dance, taken a college class, played a down of football or an inning of baseball.  Just makes me sick.
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ShaniaRe: You Can't Get It Back
This certainly hits home, the thing that bothers me, when I talk about my past hopes and dreams with my die hard witness mom she says " well, why don't you pursue that dream now".................................................I WANT TO SCREAM  She just don't get it, my dream was squashed like a bug, we don't need schooling we have the truth, the new system is going to be here,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,help.   You can't back peddle..............I have pursued a few things, taken  some course but it is to late to go for my real heart desire.  I blame the cult and my crazy mothers die hard way..........................ps...I did better with my own kids..............
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hibiscusfireRe: You Can't Get It Back

Oh I thought this was about not getting back your virginity....

Hibie
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Big DogRe: You Can't Get It Back
Chris, I think its worth it to get your Ph.D.  After all, especially if the atheists are right, all we have at the end of the line is the sum of our memories and accomplishments, build as many as you can in my opionion.
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tetrapod.sapienRe: You Can't Get It Back

Big Dog,

awesome post!  you totally put into worlds how i feel about my childhood too.  for example:

i remember being nine years old, and sitting on my bed in the middle of august in full hockey gear, skates laced on, helmet, cup and all, and crying my eyes out because i could not join the community hockey team for the winter season.  it was registration day.  i was so excited, i got fully outfitted and was running around the house (skate blade guards), until my mom told me it was a no-go because jehovah did not like me being competitive.  my whole passionate being came crumbling down around me.  i hope jehovah, that f**ktard, was happy.

TS

 
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Big DogRe: You Can't Get It Back

Tetra,

I hear you.  Man do I hear you.  I remember sitting on the side of a hill that overlooked the athletic field by my house, watching the kids, all the kids I went to school and grew up with having practice for pop warner football bawling my eyes out because I couldn't join them.  And you know what the real kick in the butt was?  It was a meeting night so I couldn't even stay and watch the game that followed the practice.

The caulksuckers, I hate em.

BD

 

 
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Darth YhwhRe: You Can't Get It Back

I always wanted to try out for my school football team. I remember one year in high school I was complaining about how miserable the team actually was. All of a sudden the team quarterback quipped "I don’t see you out there doing any better!" He was absolutely right and I shouldn’t have been criticizing. But the point is, I wasn’t allowed. It was against the rules.

Its one thing to talk about organized sports, but it’s a whole different issue when you start talking about potential careers. There were myriads of things that I was interested in career wise but instead of pursuing any of my interests I got "guided" to a vocational or trade school. I’m not doing too badly for my family or myself today but I could be so much more.

I strive to live my life now for every moment. I realize that I am unable to change anything about the past. I also realize that even if I could change one singular moment of my history that I would be a different person and perhaps in a different place. Then I think about all the things that I’m thankful for, my wife, my house, my children, and I realize that it’s all OK.

The bottom line for me is that this organization will not affect my children as it did me and if presented with the opportunity to speak out regarding the dangers that TWBTS presents you better believe I’ll be there with a megaphone.
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Big DogRe: You Can't Get It Back
Excellent post Darth.   I have done what I can to move on and not be a whiner and I have had a good life and filled in as much as I can. But try as I might I can't ever truly fill that hole that was my childhood, its like an old wound, healed yes, but there is a scar there. My life isn't screwed because of that, but the fact that it happened still sucks.
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joelbearRe: You Can't Get It Back

my parents made me drop out of band when I was 12 when they started practicing for the Christmas show.  it broke my heart.

by the age of 14 I was starting to do things behind their back. i joined clubs and academic teams and basically had a blast when I wasn't at the Kingdom Hall.

they were firmly against me going to college.  I wanted to study Math.  All my friends went to Georgia Tech. it broke my heart

I tried to please them by pioneering and going to bethel.  one night my dad came in and said he was going to force me to go to work for him washing trucks at a truck stop. (If i knew then what i know now i would have jumped at the chance) but then i was terrified of worldly people, plus it showed that no matter what i did he was not going to be pleased. so i stopped pioneering and left home. got a job, went to college for 2 years.

you can't go back, all we can do is try to warn others and go forward. 
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Darth YhwhRe: You Can't Get It Back
I hear you BIg Dog.  Even though you move on it feels like an old injury that still aches when the thunderstorm approaches.
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