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nicolaouJehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.


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nicolaouRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
Let's not get tired of fighting these battles. With enactment of the Charities Regulation Bill expected in the Republic of Ireland before the summer, there could be a Charity Regulator in place by autumn this year, or certainly by 2009.

Untill then let's apply pressure where we can, be it a letter to the editor or a simple comment on the website above.
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funkyderekRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

There's not too much to worry about here. Recent precedent in Irish law means that the babies will temporarily be made wards of the state until the necessary medical treatment is administered, at which point they will be returned to their parents. The Watchtower and the parents will make only the most cursory of objections to this.

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MissingLinkRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

They were talking about this on the Gerry Ryan radio show this morning. You can hear it here (show date 23 April 2008). I didn't get to listen to the whole thing yet. It started out a bit stupid. I don't know if he ever talked to anyone intelligent.

Here is a link to the real media file.

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Guest39Re: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
I am in agreement with the responders here, but I wanted to go somewhat off-topic: The writer of the article could have phrased the opening paragraph better.
"when they are born on religious grounds" sounds like they were planning on giving birth inside a church or other sanctuary.

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carlaRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

Two questions- is it normal in the UK to refer to 'mother and her partner ' ? to me it reads they are not married but could be just a language thing?

also, what the heck?-"she believed an alternative remedy of coca-cola and tomatoes should have been given to her when she refused the transfusion."

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White DoveRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
Cherry tomato Coke. Oh, those poor babies forced to grow up in *shudder* that religion.
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White DoveRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
At least the state will make sure they get to grow up. Heartless parents!
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funkyderekRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

Good news on this case:

The High Court has granted an order permitting the Health Service Executive to give blood transfusions to two severely aneamic babies after they are born.

See http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0424/breaking44.htm for full details

carla:

Two questions- is it normal in the UK to refer to 'mother and her partner ' ? to me it reads they are not married but could be just a language thing?

Ireland is not in the UK.

But it's likely the paper simply didn't know the details of the relationship, as their identities have not been disclosed. The man could not be referred to as the baby's father as he would have no such legal status until they are born and their births registered.

also, what the heck?-"she believed an alternative remedy of coca-cola and tomatoes should have been given to her when she refused the transfusion."

That's referring to the woman at the centre of the last blood transfusion case. She was an immigrant from (I believe) the Congo, and so may not have been up to date on the latest medical developments (to say the least). That was a rather different case as the woman, not the baby, was the one needing the transfusion, and because she lied and said the father was not in the country, the court ruled that she should not be allowed to commit suicide leaving her baby a ward of the state.

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carlaRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

Ireland is not in the UK. --- oops, sorry! I was thinking of  nicolaou's country and did not open another window to see where the news article was from (sometimes you can't look all the way back while responding) 

As for the tomat/coke thingy, as a jw wouldn't they have knocked old Congolese beliefs/traditions out of her by now?

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MissingLinkRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
is it normal in the UK to refer to 'mother and her partner ' ? to me it reads they are not married but could be just a language thing?

It's an annoying PC thing they do here.  Some consider it rude to refer to someone as a husband or wife or spouce even if this fact is known.  They feel it somehow is putting down all people who are living together but not married.  I hate PC crap, just say it's her freakin husband!

I forgive you for the UK think.  You must be American.  (not too bright over there).  OK - we're even now.

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MissingLinkRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
I thought it was interresting that they witnesses and the HLC/lawers said they wouldn't fight this.  I think they are very relieved that the judge has ordered this.  I think it's like the Alternative Service thing - that witnesses can comply with the government and give in on their beliefs as long as there is a court order.
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MaryRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
Earlier last year a Congolese woman who was a Jehovah's Witness and received a blood transfusion contrary to her religious beliefs said she believed an alternative remedy of coca-cola and tomatoes should have been given to her when she refused the transfusion.

Regardless of the medical considerations, Jehovah's Witnesses advocate that doctors should uphold the right of a patient to choose what treatments they accept or reject.

Ya----maybe the Governing Body members should do the same thing:  Respect the Right of a Witness to choose what treatments they accept without fear of excommunication.  Bit of a double standard they've got here I'd say.  Not that that comes as any surprise.

This religious position is due to a belief that blood is sacred and represents life in God's eyes.

Yes it represents life----represents it!  It's not the same as LIFE ITSELF!!  How many more decades is it going to take before these idiots finally get it??? 

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BluesBrotherRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

The ironic thing about this is that she refused a perfectly allowable treatment with blood fractions four years ago, that would have prevented this situation from occurring. Even then, I am sure that fractions such these were acceptable:

"The babies mother has a Rhesus D negative blood group while her husband is Rhesus positive. Their last baby, now aged four and healthy, was Rhesus D positive. The mother was advised to take anti-D blood products to avoid risk to future pregnancies but refused, on religious grounds, to do so. "

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0424/breaking44.htm

It seems odd that she was so determined then to go the whole way in refusing things that were a "conscience matter" - but seems to be  relaxed about the transfusion to the yet unborn twins - if I read between the lines correctly.

Perhaps time and circumstance have given her a "more mature conscience " on the matter

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chikikieRE: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

silly silly silly silly woman

I hate this policy on blood transfusions, really I wish their was new light on this matter. They should not equate blood transfusions as eating blood, because its not the same thing! Its when I read about this issue it really makes me hate this religion, its so stupid.

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Anti-ChristRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
I hate this policy on blood transfusions, really I wish their was new light on this matter. They should not equate blood transfusions as eating blood, because its not the same thing! Its when I read about this issue it really makes me hate this religion, its so stupid.
Yea and do you want to hear something else stupid? A  Young JW women I know has a rare blood disease, she must go trough some complicated treatments once and a wile because she refuses blood. Well she married not so long ago and became pregnant. This was not good for her because with her disease she would absolutely need a blood transfusion in order to have a baby, so what did she do? She had an abortion. An abortion is easier to hide then a pregnancy that requires multiple transfusions. I don't think she based her decision on what her god might think but more on what the JWs might think.
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chikikieRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

wanna know something else, i reckon alot of pregant JWs who need a transfusion secretly wish the court would make them and take it out of thier hands.

I really hate the GB, they are men mostly and their lives are not on the line where pregancy is on the line.

 

infact we need me to be on the GB and I'll kick ass and change this ridiculas law, also I'll make it complusory for JW husbands to make sure they give flowers and choclates to their wives on a sunday!

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SironaRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

Before I was pregnant I could only guess at what might go through someone's mind in a situation like this...

but now I can't imagine putting my baby's life at risk FOR ANYTHING OR ANYONE

Sirona

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nicolaouRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.

Very good point Sirona.  Kinda begs the question; Would you once have let your child die for want of a blood transfusion?

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LoRe: Jehovah's Witness refuses blood for her unborn twins.
That woman was at my Assembly recently. Everyone was talking about how dispicable it was that she was being forced to hand over the kiddies. Those POOR little babies that are so defencless against the evil governemnt. I just stood there and said nothing.
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