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Wolfgirl  For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...


...that men are not allowed to grow beards?

I don't know if this is true where you live, but where I used to live, it was against "policy" for brothers to have beards. Any man who did have one was looked down upon. There was only one where I lived, and he was only allowed to read the WT for the study on Sunday because he 'has a skin condition that makes it impossible to shave.' Where in the Bible does it say that beards are wrong? Why are men who do have them not 'allowed to serve' as elders or ministerial servants? Why are they looked down upon as somehow 'less spiritual' for having a beard? I NEVER understood that one.
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MichelleatkinRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

I'm no longer a JW, but it was the same here in England. It was explained along the lines and principal of women having to wear skirts or dresses and not trousers. (I dont think I owned a pair of trousers till I left!!)

It is how the "world" perceives the JW, beards are associated with the world as being "way out", with "hippies" etc and it doesn't give a good impression.  Bit like wearing a suit to go knocking on doors and at KH, it appers smart and apparently beards don't give that impression.

Well that's what I remember anyway.

Any other thoughts appreciated
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johnny_was_goodRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

 I cannot find it in the bible.

But I know in one congregation that a MS has a beard.
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LieuRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

Its because Rutherford did not like beards ... bearded brothers reminded him of Russel's presidency and Jews (which were at the top of his long hate list) ... and that's the simple truth.

Its not in the Bible because it was actually seen as a disgrace for a man shave his beard. Never mind the God saw fit to have hair grow on men's faces....that's all superficial, right?

Its like asking where in the Bible it says collard shirts with ties are necessary to show respect for God. Jesus and the Apostles would be disfellowshipped if they were here on earth today.

Its specifically a man made up rule dependant on the whims of whomever deems themselves to be in charge and enslave others to those whims.
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VivamusRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

Guess it should be filed right along the "sisters need to wear a skirt" rule.

 
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ve9graRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
Little story on this: when I was still in the Borg a few years back but very inactive, I came back for one meeting (after about 2 years of absence). I had grown a goatie. One of the elders came to me with hand extended. I figured "Oh, he's gonna ask me where I was and what I did"... I was wrong.... he says: "Hum, you forgot to shave this morning?". I said: "No"... then turned my back to him to go talk to "sister hottie!"...
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TheOldHippieRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
I haven't found a place in the Bible where it says men are not to have beards, but what is the problem? Over here, there are wuite a few brothers, and including ministerial servants and elders, who have beards, and many more who have moustaches. In Latin and Turk countries, it is a "must" for a man to have moustaches. Do you mean that in the USA, men are not "allowed" to have beards?
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DismemberedRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

The stupid reason for no beards, is because "we represent Jehovah, and don't want any cause for stumblin' anyone at da doors. Peepos lives depend on the newest issue of the Watchtower"

 

 

 

 

 

Dismembered

 
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Bona DeaRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

It's not in the bible.  Nor are A LOT of the other stupid rules the JWs have.

don't want any cause for stumblin' anyone at da doors.

I don't know of anyone (except, of course, a JW) who would be stumbled by a friggin beard

Bona

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outnfreeRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

TheOldHippie,

Yes, in the USA it is seen as offensive by the Society for men to wear facial hair of any sort (although some get away with moustaches).  There are several on the board who left over this issue.  The commonly given excuse for the past 30 years or so in the US is that a beard is seen by society as a sign of rebellion (this excuse seemed plausible after the 60's).  But the fact is that JR Rutherford preferred his acolytes to be clean-shaven.  Apparently he offered to pay Bethelites to get rid of their beards, which many had grown to emulate "Pastor" Russell.  The ban on beards was instituted in the 20's (if not sooner) when it was very common for men who were in no way rebellious to sport beards.  In fact, a full beard and mustache were often signs of success and prosperity back then.

I think Jehovah's view on the matter is found in the Old Testament where he actually FORBIDS cutting facial hair or sideburns.  Ever seen any Hassidim?

Interesting that the ban is not worldwide..... (hypocritical, too!)

outnfree
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angliseRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

Off course it doesnt say anywhere in the bible not to have a beard but here is the WTBTS spin on it anyway.

 

 

*** w73 3/1 136-41 Rights or Duties-Which? ***

RightsorDutiesWhich?

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Extreme hair styles can easily lead one into a trap of the Devil also, and cause others to stumble. For example, a young man in the United States was making fine progress in his study of the Bible, and he was moved to share with an experienced Witness in preaching to others about the good things he was learning from the Bible. From early youth he had let his beard grow, and since some in the business community wore beards, he felt that his wearing one in preaching to others would be acceptable generally. But in speaking to a lady he was unable to do more than introduce himself, when she said: "Im sorry, young man, I do not want to become involved in student revolt." No amount of explanation after this sufficed to clear up the misimpression. After the conversation ended with the closing of the door, he asked the experienced Witness what had happened. He was invited to consider his appearance in relation to what he claimed to be, a servant of God. Not wanting to be responsible for even one persons being stumbled so as to miss the way to everlasting life, this new Kingdom publisher shaved off his beard. Would you be willing to do the same or to make similar adjustments if your appearance gave the wrong impression in a certain community?

 

 

 

 

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WhenJesusChristwasamanonearth,didhewearabeard?K.A.,U.S.A.

Biblical evidence is the most reliable testimony to be found on this question, and a recent careful review of what it says indicates that Jesus did indeed have a beard..

Nevertheless, as already shown, it is apparent that Jesus did wear a beard, and so artistic representations of him in future Watch Tower publications will harmonize with the Scriptural evidence to that effect.

Doubtless the early Christians followed the custom of the time and locality in which they lived, with regard to the wearing of a beard. The Roman custom was beardlessness. Romans converted to Christianity would very likely continue in the Roman custom, while converts from the Jewish community would continue in the Jewish custom of wearing a beard.

Today Christian ministers, like the early Christians, are concerned with neatness and cleanness, but they strive to dress inconspicuously, so that their appearance does not in any way detract from the dignity or the effectiveness of the message they bear. (2 Cor. 6:3, 4) In recent years in many lands a beard or long hair on a man attracts immediate notice and may, in the minds of the majority, classify such a person undesirably with extremists or as rebels against society. Gods ministers want to avoid making any impression that would take attention away from their ministry or hinder anyone from listening to the truth. They know that people are watching true Christians very critically and that to a great extent they judge the entire congregation and the good news by the ministers appearance as a representative of the congregation.

In paradise restored on earth it would not be out of order if men returned to wearing beards, in perfect fashion, like Adam in Eden.
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Robert_V_FrazierRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

I know where the Bible says that Israelites have to wear beards.  Leviticus 19:27 "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard."  So naturally, since Jehovah thus encourages beards, loyal JW's rebel against Jehovah and shave.  Wouldn't want their cult contaminated by any obedience to Jehovah, after all!

Robert Frazier

Edited by - robert_v_frazier on 23 July 2002 10:25:51

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cruzanheartRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
Re: the stupid skirt issue. In the August 1 Watchtower (I think that's the one) there's a paragraph that mentions that now we can't even use the guidelines of what would be considered proper business attire when dressing for meetings or service! I guess the "business casual" trend got the GB spooked. God forbid we should show up for book study in khakis and a polo shirt. As for beards, I had a friend who had a skin condition that made shaving excruciatingly painful, but he did it for years because the elders gave him grief if he didn't. And remember how many years of illustrations showed Jesus clean-shaven with a short haircut? Though my personal favorite growing up was the picture of Babylon the Great in the old, thick Revelation book. She looked like my Barbie doll and I thought she was pretty gorgeous! It amused me that the illustration in the NEXT Revelation book showed her looking rather fat and frowzy.
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sunshineTooRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
I had always wanted to wear a nice pants suit at the meeting.     What do you think, guys?    Sisters in pants suits, don't you think they'd look more professional and serious just like the WTS wants them to look?
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minimusRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
I know of a ministerial servant with a beard in Boston. The Society's view is that it is up to the local elders and "the congregation's conscience".
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FarkelRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

It all stems from Rutherford's jealousy of Russell.  Members used to grow beards like Russell's after he died and in order to emulate him.

Rutherford hated not getting all the attention, so he banned beards, starting with the Bethels.  After that, pictures of Jesus being clean shaven started appearing in the society's literature. 

And dubs like to say that, if nothing else, Rutherford removed "creature worship" from the organization.  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

If God didn't want humans to have beards, he wouldn't have given them to all the women I've dated.

It's all man-made bullshit and the Bible has nothing to do it. 

Farkel

Edited by - Farkel on 24 July 2002 0:23:31

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minimusRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
can this Rutherford "jealousy" be substantiated, or is this "apostate legend"?
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FarkelRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

: can this Rutherford "jealousy" be substantiated, or is this "apostate legend"?

William Schnell talks from first-hand experience at Bethel about it.  Any children of old-timers from Bethel can verify it

Farkel

 
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minimusRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...
thanks farkel
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BangRe: For JW's...Where in the Bible does it say...

Well, I guess I'M stumbled. 

When someone comes to the door dressed in a 'fine' suit and says, "I'm here to explain things about Jesus to you", something inside me says, "you've gotta be fuckin kiddin me"  - that is, faster than my cognition can kick in, my self knows that  "I think you're attempting to fornicate and give birth to a baby goat within me".

Then I may politely and firmly say no, shut the door and not wish them well.

Bang

Edited by - Bang on 24 July 2002 22:10:13

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