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posted Fri, 31 May 2002 20:02:00 GMT
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Secretive "Judicial" Hearings Are Telling
Watchtower literature depicts the Jewish model of judicial hearings as one that involved public hearings. Insight on the Scriptures Volume 1 page 475 under the subject City states[1]:
Endnotes1. All references are to official publications of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania |
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posted Fri, 31 May 2002 20:06:00 GMT
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Post 1914 of 2535 Since 9/5/2001 |
((((marv ))))
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posted Fri, 31 May 2002 20:33:00 GMT
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Marv - well written. You most likely would NOT want the job, but you have my vote for chairman of the board GB!
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posted Fri, 31 May 2002 20:52:00 GMT
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![]() MichiganPost 1830 of 4973 Since 3/26/2001 |
Excellent post, Marvin!Are you sending a letter to the Society?outnfree
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posted Fri, 31 May 2002 20:57:00 GMT
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Great job Marvin,Some years ago I covered exactly the same material with pretty much the same comments and challenged any JW to show me how in light of the scriptures, the modern-day JW judicial hearings can be justified.The silence was deafening.Farkel
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:17:00 GMT
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![]() MichiganPost 1834 of 4973 Since 3/26/2001 |
BTTToutnfreeWhen a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him. -- Jonathan Swift
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 12:46:00 GMT
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Post 756 of 945 Since 3/30/2001 |
Does this kind of logic and reasoning sound like the works of just a "sorehead" XJW as 'Dr' Robert Stark and other criticizers label those who oppose the WTS's policies?
Had Enough"Never doubt that a small group of citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."...Margaret Mead |
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:15:00 GMT
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Post 1837 of 2450 Since 6/4/2000 |
Thanks for this well-written and very important essay. A public hearing is very necessary to keep the proceedings fair and honorable and to protect the reputation of the innocent.Gossip among JWs is absolutely outrageous and these private hearings only fuel this gossip. Any reason justifying a private hearing is only in the interest of the organization, usually to protect themselves because of errors that might be made on their part and to give the illusion to the rest of the congregation that the decision was reached by God's direction and that it is not to be questioned. It is very much about control, guarding an imaginary authority and preventing divisions and dissent in the congregations at large. For a group that says they "love truth and light" they seem very much afraid of it. Powerful scripture at the end.Path
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 13:22:00 GMT
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![]() Post 1136 of 15078 Since 11/2/2001 |
The Jewish Bet Din was the subject of a documentary on local TV about 2 months ago.The modern version has evolved into a more private situation, like the JW judicial committees. However, they do permit the accused to present evidence and have witnesses speak on their behalf, and if the case is difficult, the three rabbis serving on the Bet Din will consult with other rabbis.The goal of the Bet Din is not to establish guilt or innocence in civil matters, but to serve as mediators between the two parties, to air their differences before objective listeners, and to resolve the issue at hand without having to resort to the civil courts of the land. If I recall correctly, the Bet Din refers matters of a criminal nature to the proper authorities, rather than handling them internally.Love, Scully
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 17:41:00 GMT
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![]() CaliforniaPost 32 of 437 Since 7/9/2001 |
Marvin,Your post makes a lot of sense. The general thought about how modern-day JW Judicial hearings are really different from the Scriptural pattern has crossed my mind, but your post really got me to thinking about it.Making these "judicial" hearings public also would tend to reinforce the concept of the community/congregation using THINKING and REASONING ability to reflect on the matter brought out publicly, instead of just acquiesing to a decision made behind closed doors.The Watchtower Machine, however is obsessed with their "appearance" to the "world", and twists and contorts Biblical concepts to promote their self-image. God forbid anyone should know there is adultery, fornication, embezzlement, or drunkeness in the congregation, let alone child molesters. They are every bit as hyprocitical and self-serving as the other religious organizations they loudly denounce.--Dan
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 18:10:00 GMT
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Post 1229 of 8792 Since 4/13/2001 |
Marvin,An excellent summation of the miserable WTS Judicial Committee machinery, and how it stands hands on hip, and whip in hand above its victims.I am very much of the philosophy that *nothing* the WTS teaches and preaches is unique to them and on this basis I searched some while ago for a historical context for the 'three elder and one sinner' in a closed meeting scenario. It actually bears a remarkable resemblance to the disciplinary procedures, now long since abandoned, adopted in the late C17th and early C18th by the Quaker's and the Methodists. These procedures came complete with disfellowshipping and remarkably enough, 'religious restrictions'.The way disciplinary cases were to be handled was contained in their books of 'Disciplinary Procedures'. The Methodist books at least were publicly published, originally the 'Society Of Friends' procedures only fell into the hands of their elders ( sounds familiar). They were later available for public use.The WTS is quite happy to snatch lonely doctrines from the theological bottom drawer of other religions and cleverly blend them together to bake a cake with a very strange taste indeed. It seems however, that more and more people are suffering from 'Theocratic' indigestion these days!Best regards Marvin - HS
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 20:19:00 GMT
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![]() FloridaPost 451 of 3107 Since 3/14/2001 |
Marvin,Excellent research and reasoning.
ConclusionFalsely accused persons among Jehovah's Witnesses are not afforded the time and God honored privilege of public hearings. When innocent ones request or demand a public hearing and are denied we can only wonder why the dissimilarity within the Jehovah's Witness paradigm? In light of God's honoring of public hearings throughout the biblical record, what scriptural backing supports this refusal? " Not only was the evidence presented publicly but the accused and the public knew the identity of the accuser. Then if a conviction resulted the accuser had to throw the first stone in serious cases. Recently the accuser of several friends has hidden behind a veil of secrecy. Who really is behind the charges brought against those who speak up for molested children? The accusers are not only trying to remain anonymous but the accusers are ultimately the JUDGES in the matter, directing by either mandate or implication the outcome they expect from the hearings. They even send the executioners back with new charges when local boys fail to get the job done, as in the Barbara Anderson hearings. Then the accusers try to play the only source of reporting, the media for loyal JW's. So the WT, unlike the "Jewish model", are the accusers, the judges and the information Regulators so the facts cannot be known publicly. This is not only far short of the Jewish model but even farther short of the Christian model, where serious problems are taken to the entire congregation. (Mat 18) Thanks, Marvin. Jst2 |
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posted Sat, 01 Jun 2002 21:07:00 GMT
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![]() QueenslandPost 1443 of 5316 Since 12/27/2001 |
Notice how none of the Watchtower Apologists are touching this thread with the proverbial ten foot pole held in the mouth of a starving tiger wandering around in a field packed with fat sheep with steak stapled to their faces!"Vaccination has never saved a human life. It does not prevent smallpox." The Golden Age, Feb 4 1931 p. 293-4 - The Sacredness of Human Blood (Reasons why vaccination is unscriptural)
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