Who ARE These People?

It bears reminding people that there are a number of very high ranking men in Brooklyn who are quite aware that the practice of disfellowshiping for just-about-anything is totally unscriptural. They are aware of stories like the young girl who committed suicide did so because her sister caught her smoking a cigarette and threatened to turn her in. They are aware that their blood transfusion policy is not supported by scripture and that approximately 10,000 JWs were not given a chance to save their lives as a result. They know that children under their spiritual charge are taught to lie in court about JW life in custody cases. They know because they wrote the book that tells them how to do it.

These very few men also know that if they came forward and stood for what they know to be true, they would be on the streets with no retirement, no money and no real job skills. They know that by remaining silent they will retire in comfort and leisure in the fabulously elegant Patterson resort. There are only a very, very few of these men and they control almost every aspect of life for the six million people who worship them and their words and policies.

Because they care more for their own retirement benefits than the hundreds of thousands of families they've destroyed, the countless thousands of suicides they've caused, the ten thousand senseless deaths they've caused, the general malaise and misery of six million human beings they force to slave for their benefit and wealth, they are the worst kind of narciscistic human scum imaginable.

Those very few men could better the lives of six million human beings and stop the ongoing needless misery and death with a single stroke of the pen, but they won't. They would rather sit and watch their followers die than jeopardize their retirements and the religious empire they've created for their own benefit. They turn their backs on the very people they claim they serve. They don't go after the one, lost sheep as Jesus said to do. They drive sheep into senseless tragedies like the recent murder/suicide of two good human beings and four very innocent children for merely pointing out the hypocrisy they live and promote.

These men KNOW that what they are doing is wrong. These are not misguided or deluded men, but men who are acutely AWARE that what they are doing is wrong and even deadly. How can they go to their graves knowing that they have and will sacrifice the lives of so many people just so they can themselves have a few more years of living in comfort?

How can these people live with themselves knowing that they have the power to stop what they are doing?

Farkel

Yes Farkel you are right- The only thing I wonder is. Do you really believe that all at Bethel relize this?Do you not think that some of them are mislead like I was? Surely they cant sleep well if the did really know. I cant believe ALL of them KNOW they teach lies. Hey you guys from Bethel tell me they dont PLEASE

Well said, Farkel.

I'm saving this one for the files.

Love, Scully

Who are these people?

Put them in another part of the earth or a different time and they are Muslim religious leaders, Jewish religious leaders, Christian religious leaders of the Spanish Inquisition and other atrocities, Hindu religious leaders, Buddhist religious leaders etc.

It's just plain old damn religion! Ironically the greatest affront to God has been religion! If it wasn't so sad it would be funny.

IW

Point well taken Farkel. However, on an individual level I think it is also worth reminding that when we use language that says religion, other people or the bible (simply a book, information) MAKE you do this or that, it is simply not true. None of those things can MAKE you believe this or that. Influence, yes, and the influence may be strong, but if you choose to buy into it that is you, not them. Of course, children are impressionable and it is certainly worse in those cases, but this isn't about placing blame. Frankly, if you want to move on and heal you just have to start making your own choices and think for yourself, and reacting to the WTS or whatever is NOT it.

P.S. - It doesn't mean you do not care or not engage in the work of exposing the truth, you are simply not letting yourself be emotionally hijacked. In fact, I imagine the work will be more effective if that's the case.

These men KNOW that what they are doing is wrong. These are not misguided or deluded men, but men who are acutely AWARE that what they are doing is wrong and even deadly.

To KNOW that one is doing wrong, and do it anyway - makes a person a sinner (if one believes in God.) It also makes the person unethical, lawless, hardened of heart, no conscience.

How can they go to their graves knowing that they have and will sacrifice the lives of so many people just so they can themselves have a few more years of living in comfort?

How can these people live with themselves knowing that they have the power to stop what they are doing?

HOW? By closing their eyes, their minds, and their hearts. They accept no responsibility for the pain they cause. They reason that they're doing "God's Will."

Thanks for the thread, Farkel.

waiting

Farkel,

Could it be that the GB actually think their course of actions is correct- by thinking they are doing what God wants? These deaths- could it be that the GB thinks these are sacrifices to Jehovah? Could the GB actually think these things are right with God?

I don't think so, because each and every GB member know goddamn good and well that "Jehovah" never said a fucking word to them. They know goddamn good and well that the "holy spirit" never moved them to say or do or write ANYTHING.

The GB's mind set is exactly as Farkel writes. Exactly.

TR

Excellent post, Farkel.

One question: Is 10,000 the number who have died refusing blood since the society created the policy? How is this number arrived at? I've never known if it was hundreds, thousands, or tens of thousands.

Thanks,
Hmmm

Good one Farkel.
Will it be posted on your web page ?

http://www2.wcoil.com/~vikings/checket2.html

: Could it be that the GB actually think their course of actions is correct- by thinking they are doing what God wants?

I wasn't necessarily talking about the GB, Tom. There are a number of movers and shakers who influence the GB, too. Remember that Nathan Knorr said he "didn't know" about the 1914 doctrine, Dan Sydlik said that they should scrap ALL their doctrines and start over with Genesis 1:1, and Lyman Swingle said they got all their apocalyptic prediction bullshit from the Second Adventists, "lock, stock and barrel."

You're goddamn right they know they are wrong on blood and many other things.

Hmmm,

I believe it was Lee Elder who mentioned that approximate figure. Of course, it can only be guestimated over the decades the blood ban has been in force. The society would never publish such a thing, although I'd bet good money, they have a pretty accurate accounting. Not because they care, though, but because of legal reasons. Human lives don't count to them. Protection from lawsuits do.

Farkel

Farkel,

So it's basically a long history of a conglomerate of shit, crap, puke and other assorted bull that was put together over the years, overlapping each other even though nothing fit together or coincided with one doctrine to the next. What a legacy of pure, unadulterated fuck.

I guess any Tom, Dick, and dipfuck can be an "oracle" for the WTS. Great. Just great. And I was flim- flammed into believing the crap that is so obviously ca-ca. Jezuz Herbert Christ, am I glad that I shit-canned that load.

TR

Do you think there is a computer at HQ that is open to these forums 24 hrs?

I have this mental pitcure of some guy in a suit eating a ham sandwhich with his feet propt up on a dest never taking his eyes off the monitor until the shift change.Like the C.I.A.

styx

This one most definitely Happy

Well expressed, Farkel.

My gut feeling is that self- deception is widely practiced by the GB and those who have their collective ears.

Nathan Knorr, just before his death, gave concluding comments at Oklahoma City. He seemed genuinely enraged at the treatment of our brothers in Malawi. Did it NEVER occur to him that if the Society allowed the same leniency to the Malawian brothers as they did to the Mexican brothers, these atrocities would not have occurred?

TMS

Farkel, this is what makes Ray Franz' decision to leave and expose the organization that much more courageous. He gave up a lot in order to help the brothers. We should all be grateful to him for his sacrifice.

Farkel asked:

Farkel, does the FIRESTONE Tire Corporation ring any bells? They are just like the executives in any major corporation who only look at the bottom line and damn anything that comes between their achieving it.

I would add one more sad fact about group psychology that may also apply. It is strange but true that the more eyewitnesses around you when a crime is being committed the less chance you have of any one individual coming forth to help you. There have been people murdered in broad daylight in front of many people. Hmm, something akin to animal behavior?

Skipper

How can they go to their graves knowing that they have and will sacrifice the lives of so many people just so they can themselves have a few more years of living in comfort?

I think that's one of the implications of the 'no hell' doctrine. It assists evil deeds to believe there's no real price to pay.
Even so, the waste of life while rejecting God's love is a strong punishment, once realised.

Bang

"they are the worst kind of narciscistic human scum imaginable."

They are murderers!

Couldn't agree with you more, Farkel, although you can't just go quoting figures like that.

Then again, the figures you quoted are probably quite conservative!.

These guys know the real deal, but like you said, they don't want to give up their cushy retirements just so a few people can live a little bit longer. No, better to mentally and physically enslave 6 million people and get them to perform free labour (i.e. 'reaching out for priveleges in the Congregation') than actually go to the Press and tell the Truth.

Not that the Press would give a flying. Who cares about some megalomaniacal Corporation ruining peoples' lives? They have more important things to worry about, like Britney Spears' love life and J.Lo's ASS.

You know you live in a sad, twisted world when something like this is allowed to happen and there are actually people out there protecting them. It's sick, that what it is.

And I bet they DO have some guy eating sandwhiches and hitting 'Refresh' in his browser every 10 minutes or so, and then emailing some of the more interesting posts on this board to the Big Boys.

HELLO TO ALL OF YOU LOSERS IN THE GOVERNING BODY! HOW'S THE WEATHER IN BROOKLYN? A/S/L? HUZZAH MATEYS!

*ROFL*

"...the greater will be the beneficial effect, because you get more of the ultra-violet rays, which are healing" - The Golden Age
[SYN], UADA - Unseen Apostate Directorate of Africa.

See Farkel these are the types of threads that get people to think!

All you lurkers out there, feel free to join in.

As someone else already pointed out, what better doctrine than the no hell doctrine is there for these men? No wonder they didn't want to scrap it all when Sydlik suggested it.

It's times like these when I really hope there is a hell!

BTTT