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Our new Resident Scholar, Rev1212 informs the board that...

The year 1914, which is the year that the Gentile Times (aka Appointed Times of the Nations) ended, was determined though a study of the Bible along with no doubt some holy spirit given to the brothers that were able to discern this information.

There are quite a few scriptures involved in coming to the year 1914, one of them from Ezekiel about "Lifting off the crown and it will be no one's until he who has the legal right comes". So that is the starting point, which was 607 BC, when Jerusalem fell to Babylon. Then another significant scripture is from Daniel chapter 4 which showed the appointed times of the nations would be "seven times". Then to figure out what the seven times means we need to go to Revelation chapter 12 which notes that 1,260 days are 3-1/2 times. Making the 7 times equal to 2520 days. So doing the math, 607 BC plus 2,520 days comes to the year 1914.

Should we ask for some proof or take him at his word?

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BizzyBeeRe: A New Scholar has just enetered the Building
So doing the math, 607 BC plus 2,520 days comes to the year 1914 .

Please don't make me do math at this time of the morning!

Actually, I think Rev1212's post is as much evidence as we're going to get.  I doubt that he can find a scripture that supportsthis leap of scholarship: 

So that is the starting point, which was 607 BC, when Jerusalem fell to Babylon.
The year 1914, which is the year that the Gentile Times (aka Appointed Times of the Nations) ended, was determined though a study of the Bible along with no doubt some holy spirit given to the brothers that were able to discern this information.

Oh, no doubt there were some "spirits" involved! 

 

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HonestyRe: A New Scholar has just enetered the Building
I'm right there with you on this one, Bizzy Bee.
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AnnOMalyRe: A New Scholar has just enetered the Building
I can't make out what Rev1212's about yet. But in case he/she really is as naive and wide-eyed as he/she sounds, be gentle.
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crazyblondebRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

Oh, no doubt there were some "spirits" involved! 

holy sheepholy sheepholy sheepholy sheepholy sheep
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Open mindRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

Thread?

I'll be gentle.

Promise.

OM

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snowbirdRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building
Then to figure out what the seven times means we need to go to Revelation chapter 12 which notes that 1,260 days are 3-1/2 times. Making the 7 times equal to 2520 days. So doing the math, 607 BC plus 2,520 days comes to the year 1914 .

So, by that logic, if Satan was cast out of heaven in 1914, he should be angry with and persecuting the "woman" for 1,260 years or until 3174!

I used to gobble that stuff up like it was pig tails!  Crazy.

Sylvia

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NewYork44MRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building
no doubt some holy spirit given to the brothers
You would think the hs would let the brothers in on the simple little secret that there was no "0" year. This way they would not have to mysteriousy change the beginning date from 606 to 607.
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BONEZZRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

I have Johanes Greber's home phone number...maybe we can do a conference call?

JG:  Hallo, this is Yo-han.

US:  Yes brother Greber can you give some support for the Watchtower's 1914 date?

JG:   Yah I can...Jus' last nite I vas talking to my Vee-gee board and it clearly spelled out nine-teen and four-teen.

US:  So you are solidly behind the Watchtower's assesment of that date?

JG:  Vy yes I am...and da udder brudders here at da old spiritist's home all agree vith me.

So there you have it from one of the WTBS's foremost authorities!

-BONEZZ

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TDRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

 

The year 1914, which is the year that the Gentile Times (aka Appointed Times of the Nations) ended, was determined though a study of the Bible along with no doubt some holy spirit given to the brothers that were able to discern this information.

If this person actually said this, then they are sadly ignorant of the history of their own religion.

The 1914 date was entirely the work of the Second Adventist Nelson Barbour. Barbour detailed his application of the 2520 years leading to 1914 in the September 1875 issue of Herald Of The Morning

This was before he had ever met Russell

Charles Taze Russell, by his own testimony (cf. Zion's Watch Tower June 15 1906)  did not accept either the 1874 or the 1914 dates until he was convinced of them by Barbour in January of 1876 

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PoztateRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

When I said this...

The year 1914, which is the year that the Gentile Times (aka Appointed Times of the Nations) ended, was determined though a study of the Bible along with no doubt some holy spirit given to the brothers that were able to discern this information.
OK ... It's obvious you live in your own little world...
  
    She (he) said....
 
   

Poztate, what's your point -- you trying me?

Go ahead, make my day. Don't hold back. Be as rude as you like, I can take it.

 
   A touch on the sensitive side I would say.   I was only trying to point out the very obvious point that as a WT apologist thinking is not neccesary.The party line and obvious indoctrination is apparent with this statement. Hopefully if she (he) sticks around they will start to learn how to think and reason for themselves. Welcome to the board....And real life.
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Awakened at GileadRe: Re: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

Don't get me started... 1914 is my favorite topic...

I'm almost finished reading "The Gentile Times Reconsidered"

This wasn't holy spirit... everone was pointing to different years... and nome of the 7 predictions that Russell made about 1914 came true, so they had to re-invent it to mean the Kingdom.

Rev1212... if you are sincere... please investigate. (Hints: How do you know Luke 21 is related to Dan Ch. 4? How do you know Dan Ch 4 is talking about the enthronement of Christ if its about Nebucadnezzar? And finally, what proof is there that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607BCE).

Once you address these points, please post.

Thanks.. A@G

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GalileoRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

On top of what has already been said (607 B.C.E. is a made up year that is entirely contrary to the voluminous evidence) the WT states that a "prophetic year" (as in the 2,520 days) is 360 days, yet they arbitrarily switch to 365 day years to arrive at 1914. Their own crazy talk is internally inconsistent.

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MissingLinkRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building
Evidently 1914 WAS a marked year!  Spread the word!
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avengersRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

Those "bible students" didn't think 1914 was the beginning of the end. They thought the end would come in 1914.
They went up in some tower on top of the roof in white garments waiting for God to take em up to heaven.
When that didn't happen they made up the story that 1914 was the beginningof the end, not the end which started in 1874.

So go figure. It is all one big pile of alt

Andy

 

 

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fjtothRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

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fjtothRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

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ldrnomoRe: A New Scholar has just entered the Building

Looks like Rev1212 left the building, his CO found out he was associating with us and gave him a good ass-reaming.

LD

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yadda yadda 2Re: A New Scholar has just entered the Building
one of them from Ezekiel about "Lifting off the crown and it will be no one's until he who has the legal right comes".

This is one of the "proof texts" put forward by the WTS to prove the link between 607 and 1914.

In fact, if you research this, there are good reasons to believe the "crown" was not a reference to King Zedekiah at all but was a reference to the High Priest!!!  I believe that even the Insight Volumes allude to this possibility.

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PoztateRe: Re: A New Scholar has just entered the Building
On top of what has already been said (607 B.C.E. is a made up year that is entirely contrary to the voluminous evidence) the WT states that a "prophetic year" (as in the 2,520 days) is 360 days, yet they arbitrarily switch to 365 day years to arrive at 1914. Their own crazy talk is internally inconsistent.
        That is a point I have made before also. There is just NO WAY they can make their numbers add up...
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