Well I have to agree with Pat , that if the elders are guided by holy spirit, they should be able to make the right decisions the first time. That was a big turning point for me to leave the org, when they wanted to disfellowship my mother because she was schizephrenic and would bring reproach on jehovahs name and all that BS. When I tried to reason with them, they asked me what I thought they should do. Guess I was being guided by the holy spirit too.?!?!?! a lowly female publisher. Gotta feel sorry for these guys, They are being mislead by a bogus printing company and then they think they have the right to punish and counsel .In god's name no less.