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yknotMarch BOE Financial Letter?


I received an email from a sister-undercover -apostate saying someone had posted on her anti-JW group that there was a BOE Dated March 1, 2008 about local KH financial accounts and the WTS.

My fading doesn't always let me log-on much and I couldn't find anything under "BOE Letter" with last month search tool. Has this been discussed? I stopped by the KH today and checked the board and we had nothing posted (not really expecting to see it posted either).

Here is the cut/paste of her email to me:

Sweetie have you heard any of the DBs discussing this at the hall? After all the hub-bub about govs confiscating WTS loot at the zones and they want all to give over to the society? Seems like bait and switch. Like they say 'don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doin' " Anyways here is what was posted (below).

Unfortunately I don't have a working scanner, but here is a summary of & a few quotations from a BOE letter dated March 1, 2008:

"For an number of years, an arrangement has been available to congregations to place funds on deposit with the branch office. However, a recent analysis shows that only 10 percent of congregations in the United States are taking advantage of this provision."

(Some congregations have no-interest checking, or are even charged a fee for checking...others have a savings account, but earn little interest)

"...At best though, each congregation acting on its own will only achieve a limited return on its excess funds. Therefore, we are encouraging all congregations to give serious thought to participating in the funds-on-deposit arrangement with the branch office."

"There are significant advantages to participating in this arrangement. First of all, each congregation would only need to operate one checking account for its monthly financial activity. Congregations would not have worry about opening savings or other accounts and becoming involved in investment decisions. Second, by consolidating funds, the branch office is able to earn additional interest at rates above what a congregation normally earns by acting on its own. The funds earned by the branch office would then be available for use in building Kingdom Halls in lands with limited resources or for covering other necessary operating expenses. All of this is accomplished by making full use of funds that have already been contributed but now may be idle, earning little or no interest." (emphasis added)

(details follow on how to set this up electronically, via www.jw.org)

(Program is also vailable for operating committee funds, where 2 or more congregations share a Kingdom Hall)

A couple of pages of Q&A follow. Of most interest is no. 2:

"Question 2: If we currently have a checking account for our monthly expenses and a savings account for our excess funds, do we have to close the savings account and send those funds to the branch office? What if we prefer to keep the interest for local congregation needs?"

"Answer: You are to be commended for making wise use of funds dedicated for Kingdom interests. While we leave the decision to the local body of elders, we encourage all to look beyond local circumstances. There are congregations in other lands where greater material needs than we have here in the United States. By applying the Scriptural principle found at 2 Corinthians 8:8-15, we hope to achieve an equalizing for the entire brotherhood. At best, a local congregation will only be able to earn interest at the local rate. The branch office has access to higher rates of interest because of volume and pricing, and by consolidating any excess funds into the funds-on-deposit arrangement, more interest can be generated collectively to benefit the worldwide work." (emphasis added)

(Other Q&A covers mechanical details, depositing the money, getting it back in case of need, etc.)

So there you have it. Instead of earning interest at a local bank, deposit your $$$ with the Society, who will then invest it in [whatever], earn interest that the Society keeps for itself, and if you ever need the money, say, years down the road, we'll cheerfully return whatever principal you donated.

Guess they will establish a legal bank or some sort of Credit-Union

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mkr32208Re: March BOE Financial Letter?
Would anyone be SURPRISED if this was true?
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VM44Re: March BOE Financial Letter?
The Watchtower Corporation thinks too much about money.
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10pRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
I wouldn't be surprised, or offended. Its actually quite a good idea. When I was an accounts servant, I suffered from that 'hey, thats OUR money' syndrome (ie, local funds). But at the end of the day, the pubs believe in a united organisation, and donate their money towards that. In fact, most in my old cong found it a pain to split up their donations - no one knew how much to donate to what. I thought it would have been even better if all donations went to the society, as well as all bills. But then they would have to keep heaps of accountants employed at the branches instead of getting the most intelligent brother in each cong to play bookeeper for free :) But I don't think it counts as a scandal! Although I do think it is another piece of evidence that the org is struggling financially. My wife brought home a new song book the other day - and its paperbacked and got black lettering instead of gold on the cover! "Money's too tight to mention"
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nomoreguiltRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

Ya, This letter was posted here a week or 2 ago.

 

NMG

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monophonicRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

"or for covering other necessary operating expenses."

aka legal fees for lawsuits against us for our arrogant mistakes.

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Octarine PrinceRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
If I was still in, I would just write this off.

Being out, I see it as an easy way for the corporate parent to ease cash flow problems without incurring debt obligations, plain and simple.

BTTT for Bethel
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Burger TimeRe: Re: March BOE Financial Letter?
Yep old news...search first/post later
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Alligator WisdomRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

Here is the thread on it:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/154911/1.ashx

Alligator Wisdom (aka Brother NOT Exerting Vigorously)

 

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WTWizardRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
Another scam that they are telling people they had better get into or else...
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yknotRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

Thanks Everyone!

Esp AW for the link!

 

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DaCheechRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
I'm my congregation accounts servant in my hall, and I can tell you that we have $12k-$19k (for identity purposes cannot tell the exact amount) with the society (on deposit with them)
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erandirRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
One more reason not to donate money to them
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stillajwexelderRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
It is true - it was read at our congregation
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bobld0Re: March BOE Financial Letter?

Only 10% make use of the provision,because 90% don.t have enough money to cover their costs.Why not sell all the high price real estate in N.Y. and move their H.Q. over seas like all other big corporations.They already have slaves working for them.Sorry that would not work because bethelites are unproductive workers.

Let's see they the KHAA not enough money.Circuit assemblies surplus loans not enough money.Oh,I got it,lets start bake sales,bingo,pass the plate no wait pass the resolutions.And Jehovah will bless it all.

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oldflameRe: March BOE Financial Letter?
Just a bunch of money hungry evil doers probably low on funds from all the law suits.
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tmo1965Re: Re: March BOE Financial Letter?
I don't think the idea of pooling their $$$ together to get more interest is any type of scandal or devious plot.  Any organization would draw the same conclusion.  That said, there may be the motive to cover shortfall in income, but again nothing really unusal about that.  Anybody in the same fix would do the same.
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RoddyRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

It's just another ploy to get more money out of the congregations.

The last straw for me is all the money I gave to the congregation for a new Kingdom Hall was secretly given over to the WTS. The congregation doesn't own the land nor the building. Yet it used the money and the collateral of its members to get the land and the building materials. Even the payments of permits, equipment, and food for the workers. No sooner than the building was up it ownership and excess funds were transferred. I really didn't appreciate this behind-closed-doors action.

I'll bet everyone in the congregation still believes this is THEIR kingdom hall.

NOT!

 

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uninformedRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

Go into the town and find an ass, and just tell them "The Lord needs it"

Brant

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hamsterbaitRe: March BOE Financial Letter?

One of the few Service Meetings I have been to recently this letter was read out to the congo.

It is all TRUE.

HB

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