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jefferywhatChanges to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.


I posted something similar on a different thread but it was blissfully ignored and I really think its worth a discussion.

Leolola touched on this in another thread and that is of the changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

a) 1935- No longer cut off for FDS

b) 1914- No longer the time period of "these things" that the "generation" had to see, it is no "all" these things including Armageddon.

c) The generation has changed to a group that has no year reference or age reference attached.

d) Leaving Babylon the great no longer applies to the inspection of 1919 and has a different meaning now ( no longer fleeing false religion)

e) Sheep and goats long gone.

f) "Dragnet" illustration no longer applies to JW's specifically.

g) Cry of peace and security down played.

h) All they are waiting for is the King of the North and the UN to attack us and this will effect the whole world not just JW's.


What is going on here people, this is major when looked at as a whole, a major shift has occurred and its happening so slow its almost unnoticed.




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SPAZnikRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
Yep.
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ScullyRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
When you look at how the WTS of the late 1800s compares to the WTS of 2008, it's rather ironic that JWs say that they don't believe in evolution. 
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alanvRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Jeffery, all these points you make are good but most people on this site already know about them.

Unfortunately it's not us you have to convince. The rank and file simply accept any changes that are made because the changes the G.B. make seem to make sense to them. It's been said before but the average witness is the type of person that likes to be told what to do.They are followers not leaders. They conveniently forget Pauls words to examine the scriptures for themselves to see if the things they are being taught are true. For those of us with family in the org. it is a constant frustration to us that they simply will not think for themselves.

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jefferywhatRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
With all due respect Alanv, these are not all old and are not all well known.

Items b, d, f and g are very new and not yet in print.

Those points ( and others) came out at the annual meeting and were then backed up in zone visits to the south east pacific and I imagine now the role out will continue.

They are yet to appear in print.

Feel free to quote a WT reference if I am mistaken.

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything. I am simply making the observation and hoping someone can postulate as to why these changes are occurring.

They are being backed up by a strong suggestion that the end is close and its going to be dangerous and will affect one and all not just JW's.




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White DoveRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Maybe the expiration date for all of the now passed away generation teaching has come and gone and they are despatate to come up with an alternative that will keep people in the org. It seems that when they change one teaching, many others must be changed due to the spider web of connection they have with that one teaching. The thing they are worried about now may be how to keep people interested after the expiration date for a teaching comes and goes without so much as a hint of fulfillment.

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Eyes OpenRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
Where can I read about D please? (d) Leaving Babylon the great no longer applies to the inspection of 1919 and has a different meaning now ( no longer fleeing false religion))
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worfRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

jefferywhat,

You are absolutley right. Excellent post. These changes need to continue to be made known in every way possible.

I talk about these changes to people all the time.

watchtower is biggest scam ever pulled on this planet.

Worf

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darth frostyRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

You know what these changes are akin to?  A frob or lhe next thingobter in a pot of water as the heat is being turned on.  at first all seems normal and t you know your being drizzled with butter.

to us who are on the outside looking in we can recognize the signs that the pot is boiling over.  to those in the pot all seems normal.

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truthseekerRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Jeffery,

I've said it before, but the Watchtower Society has cornered itself by it's own chronology.

The end of this "system of things" was never supposed to last longer than the 90s decade.

The WT blamed the brothers for the '94 Kingdom delay.

Their chronology is their undoing.

Now, they have to convince a new generation of JW youth why the end is coming in their lifetime.

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FatfreekRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

I agree with you, jeffreywhat, that they are very profound statements.

They probably won't draw a lot of attention here, however, until they are officially published. Consequently, the GB won't do that until they've got all the tees crossed and the i's dotted.  Reason? They know we'll jump all over them with full force.

Len 

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oompaRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
Whatupjeff: d) Leaving Babylon the great no longer applies to the inspection of 1919 and has a different meaning now ( no longer fleeing false religion)
Help me out with the d thing.  How did I miss this?  Plus you said:
Items b, d, f and g are very new and not yet in print.

So how do we know there is a change?  My dad taught me well...don't believe it till you see it in print in the WT.

I think your post is very relative...The new light idea is such BS...what about the validity of this "foundations matter" idea?:

(Matthew 7:24-27) 24 "Therefore everyone that hears these sayings of mine and does them will be likened to a discreet man, who built his house upon the rock-mass. 25 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and lashed against that house, but it did not cave in, for it had been founded upon the rock-mass.26 Furthermore, everyone hearing these sayings of mine and not doing them will be likened to a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand.27 And the rain poured down and the floods came and the winds blew and struck against that house and it caved in, and its collapse was great." 

 It seems like it would matter what the foundation of our teachings are, and don't say...THE BIBLE...........................................oompa

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Billy the Ex-BetheliteRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Yes oompa, the JW house is indeed built on shifting sands. But somehow they just keep rebuilding their sandcastles.

Jeffreywhat seems to have included some things from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/153571/1.ashx . Losch wasn't basing his talk on what was in recent publications, he was reveling in his abilities as the mouthpiece of Christ. I need to add some more comments over there.

I'd add to the list, the obvious youth and inexperience of the Governing Body of the Faithful & Disgraceful Slave "Class" contradicts decades of previous teachings.

In the years leading up to 75, they had the dates and details figured out. Chronology, the King of the North, the generation, the sheep and the goats, etc. But the big A didn't come, so they had to scramble. In the 80s, they got things somewhat rearranged. But again, time passed. The 90s and the fall of the USSR, more changes to be made, but they kept the growth coming in and the end was sooooo close. Now another decade is passing, and they have painted themselves into a corner. The changes such as anointed ending 1935, the generation, the King of the North, etc have zero clarity now. With their terrible batting average, they've retired to the dugout about any prophetic forecasts and just shout, "It's sooooooooooooooo close! Y'all just keep preaching or you'll die at the big A !"

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PahpaRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Older JWs who remain in the organization just accept whatever the FDS "spoons" out to them.  And they actually rejoice in the "new light" even though it may contradict Watchtower positions held for many years.  Newer JWs probably don't even know what was previously taught.  So, they just accept it as part of the learning process (indoctrination) they are going through at the time.

However, there are always some individuals that discern the contradictions and leave the organization with each change.  It may not include large numbers of people.  But it often does include those more serious JWs who are well aware of the teachings of the Watchtower Society.  It is a slow erosion of the base of the membership.  And although it hasn't manifest itself in a complete collapse it has seriously endangered the construction of the organization.

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worfRe: Re: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Pahpa,

Right on target. Thats exactly what has happened.

Worf

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MaryRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
d) Leaving Babylon the great no longer applies to the inspection of 1919 and has a different meaning now ( no longer fleeing false religion)

WTH??  Holy crap, I missed that one.......when did this one change?? 

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shamus100Re: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.

Scully - LOL.

Worf/ Palpha - couldn't agree more.

I personally look at what has happened during the 2 year complete abstinence from JW's including JWD and am shocked too. I do mean really.. how can people still believe this drivel? If one looks at what a typical dub believed in the 20's to now, it's astronomical how different they are.

They are metamorphasizing and changing, because if they don't people will leave. And besides, who the hell cares? The bullshit keeps getting brighter and brighter! If a prophecy does not fulfill, or doesn't make sense, just get some new light and everyone will believe it because it's all they have. That's why I always say - don't try to cram this stuff down they're throats. They're blissfully ignorant, and are happy this way. Perhaps they're addicted to cheap suits like crack cocaine. They're in for different reasons, and it's hard to say why they follow this drivel - they're all in for they're differing needs.  Be it need for family, love, or being a collective of brain-dead zombies that love the spoon fed drivel. 

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yourmommaRe: Re: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
if they are viewing what they view as "materialism" as Babylon the Great, that is scary. I mean, the teaching of fleeing Babylon the great, allows them to DF you for going to a church service right? So, whats not stopping them from DF'ing people for working late or missing meetings to work? Calling something Babylon the great is a serious thing. I have read it here before and I agree, we are going to see a sifting and a possible split.
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BluesBrotherRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
Items b, d, f and g are very new and not yet in print.

Those points ( and others) came out at the annual meeting and were then backed up in zone visits to the south east pacific and I imagine now the role out will continue.

They are yet to appear in print.

If it is not in print I do not accept it .....Smokescreen and rumours,,How many times have senior dubs given talks that suggested things , eg The King of the North being radical Islam ?....only for it to die the death and never be heard of again...
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5goRe: Changes to alot of the eschatological beliefs of the WBTS.
I think that is starting to get to some JWs. The fact that those old teachings are still there despite their ludicrousness and are still the official held beliefs of the JWs. Those embarrassing beliefs are just ignored for the most part even publicly denied, but they are still there to be read out of their books.
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