News from Mother ship (page 1)

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jefferywhat	News from Mother ship
	1. Bethel in NY suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there. 2. Major Organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, PO to be done away with, thats all I know for now. Was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long. Will update as I hear. JW
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The Last Nephilim	Re: News from Mother ship
	PO to be done away with? How ever will they be able to identify apostates at the local level without the all- knowing PO? I like the idea, though. Our PO rules with an iron fist!!!!
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Priest73	Re: Re: News from Mother ship
	I wonder if the 'elimination' of title will PO the POs
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The Last Nephilim	Re: News from Mother ship
	I'm sure our PO will be PO'd!!!!
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Gopher	Re: News from Mother ship
	Interesting, Jeffery. Bethel in NY suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there. Perhaps this site is having an effect even on some Watchtower officers! Major Organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, PO to be done away with, thats all I know for now. As long as there have been Bible Student / JW congregations, there's always been a guy in charge. The title may change, but the attitude won't. Was told that if you are the sort of person that cant handle changes, you wont stay in the org for long. JW's are trained to idolize / adore their organization. These changes will be accepted, like others, as evidence of God's direction of the organization. What's truth one year is tossed out the next.
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jefferywhat	Re: News from Mother ship
	Word is that they want to do away with anything that has a connotation of power, i.e Presiding overseer. Apparently its not just the title but the arrangement of BOE's, all designed to lose the "Boss" mentality. The old PO's will be PO! Not before time.
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metaspy	Re: News from Mother ship
	it is interesting that they will eliminate the title. However, I wonder if they will eliminate the position? Just like in Bethel, they eliminated the title Bethel Elder, but the position still exists. As a bethelite you still need to go to a Bethelite Elder, with problems rather than a standard Elder. This leads me to conclude, the titles may go away, but the actions and authority will remain. It is only in the semantics.
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Gill	Re: News from Mother ship
	Sounds like more shuffling of the deck chairs on the Titanic, to me! No PO! That would be interesting! If they can lose their own connection with what is happening in the congregatoins and claim that appointments of elders and POs are nothing to do with them then they can also claim that they don't have to pay out precious cash to victims of child abuse. They're a bunch of crafty, cash grabbing buggers at the top of the stinking WatchTower heap of rotting manure!!
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RisingEagle	Re: News from Mother ship
	2. Major Organizational changes about to start rolling out, one is changes to the "service committee" and titles, PO to be done away with, thats all I know for now. One of the nicer features on the H.M.S. Titanic was the mobility of the deck chairs.
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jefferywhat	hey Gill,

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jefferywhat	hey Gill,

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civicsi00	Re: News from Mother ship
	Keep us posted. Are we going to see some interesting developments in 2008?
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momzcrazy	Re: News from Mother ship
	Our evil plan is working my pets!!! I can see it all crumbling at our feet. Then the world will be ours! Seriously though, I for one am prepared to welcome to JWD all those who can't handle all the changes. The sudden freedom is scary sometimes. momz
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jefferywhat	Re: News from Mother ship
	Man, I hate my mac sometimes! Sorry about the ghost posts. What I meant to say was to Gill. I agree, everything the WT does is for legal mitigation or financial gain. If the elders appear to be more autonomous its creates a nice legal gap. Under the Rutherford org model, the PO is basically a rep of the WT and acts on their instruction. Get rid of him, have the elders act as a "body" with no unofficial head and WTBS is protected.
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Gopher	Re: News from Mother ship
	Get rid of him, have the elders act as a "body" with no unofficial head and WTBS is protected. This is the part I'm not understanding. Based on what I've read in recent years on this forum, the WTS already seems to be protected whenever members or ex-members bring lawsuits. The local elders are already the main targets, because the courts usually rule that congregation matters are the responsibility of the local elders. It doesn't seem that watering down the role of the Presiding Hounder would change that.
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wha happened?	Re: News from Mother ship
	My first thought was an ego issue. Most of the PO's I knew over the years were full of themselves. But Jeffreywhat brought up what I feel is the basis for all decision at the WTB&TS. The legal issues, and in this case the issue of agency. The congregations are likely to be more autonomous on paper then previously in order to stop the paper trail back to NY. No organization is forcibly made to pay out money and doesn't take sudden action to prevent it from happening again.
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jefferywhat	Re: News from Mother ship
	I agree with wha happened?. This will be spun as a head shrinking exercise, a way of getting rid of pride and ego. At the last DC, after the drama, the brother said, direct from the script talk, "there is no ladder in Jehovahs organisation". This is a natural follow on from that, but like most things it masks the true reason, or maybe its a bipartite approach. Its an interesting development though, cant wait to see the reactions of the RF. Any bethelites here know more? Im hearing this from someone very close to the GB so it could be "classified" still.
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badboy	Re: News from Mother ship
	APOSTATE IN A HIGH POSITION? *YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS,MAN!*
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Nathan Natas	Re: News from Mother ship
	1. Bethel in NY suspect high level apostate, cant identify it but know its there. What about Jehovah's Magic Spirit? Has the GB bothered to ask WHY Jehovah's Magic Spirit has left them, or WHY Jehovah's Magic Spirit is unable to purify the congregation of apostate impurity? Has it occurred to them that what they are branding apostasy might be Jehovah's Brilliant New Light, and that maybe the reason that it can't be put out is because Jehovah doesn't want it put out, that Jehovah LIKES these apostates more than he likes the withered old fruits of the Governing Body? Or maybe Jehovah's Magic Spirit has been sleeping, or is on a bender with Joe Rutherford, or has suffered a head injury and can't think clearly? Maybe it got it's foot stuck in a trap, or fell into a well. THAT'S it! When Lassie says, "Bark bark bark bark bark!" What she means is "Jehovah's Magic Spirit has fallen into a well, and it can't get up!"
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metaspy	Re: News from Mother ship
	If my brother didn't know that I am not going to meetings, he would give me info on what is going on. However, he knows and thus I dont get any info. I do agree that the egos of the PO, SO, and Secretary are all larger than life. I have introduced them to a visiting friend before as "Br. Pain-in-the-A$$" and they added on saying "I'm the PO" Pride is definitely oozing off of those titles
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